Liberals- Any of soceietys problems, we arent spending enough money on!!

 ( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

I don't know who this is supposed to be making fun of

Accountability is what every economy needs.

Accountability is what every economy needs.

EagleEyedOne

This thread is awful.chessmaster1989

This thread is awful.chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread is awful.AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread is awful.AdamPA1006

Probably when you say things like that is when you're wrong

 ( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

 

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

AdamPA1006

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money.  Military needs to be defunded extensively.

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

 ( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

 

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

GummiRaccoon

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money.  Military needs to be defunded extensively.

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

as long as green energy =/= ethanol

( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

AdamPA1006

That about sums it up. Don't expect too many people to offer anything constructive to this thread though. You just insulted 98% of America's people who pays attention to politics.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

Amvis

That about sums it up. Don't expect too many people to offer anything constructive to this thread though. You just insulted 98% of America's people who pays attention to politics.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

GummiRaccoon

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money. Military needs to be defunded extensively.

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

Reason that happens is because of mandatory Medicaid programs, etc. Also, it's a grand conspiracy to make the Yankees pay for what they've done to us the most slow and painfaul way possible. An insidious revenge if you will.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

 ( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

 

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

lostrib

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money.  Military needs to be defunded extensively.

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

as long as green energy =/= ethanol

Those are the same people that run the agricultural megacorps that get federal funds to sue small farmers because some seeds landed on their land.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

 

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

Amvis

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money. Military needs to be defunded extensively.

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

Reason that happens is because of mandatory Medicaid programs, etc. Also, it's a grand conspiracy to make the Yankees pay for what they've done to us the most slow and painfaul way possible. An insidious revenge if you will.

Force you to treat blacks like people?

[QUOTE="Amvis"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money. Military needs to be defunded extensively.

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

GummiRaccoon

Reason that happens is because of mandatory Medicaid programs, etc. Also, it's a grand conspiracy to make the Yankees pay for what they've done to us the most slow and painfaul way possible. An insidious revenge if you will.

Force you to treat blacks like people?

Not complaining about that. The other stuff though.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

 

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money.  Military needs to be defunded extensively.

 

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

 

GummiRaccoon

as long as green energy =/= ethanol

Those are the same people that run the agricultural megacorps that get federal funds to sue small farmers because some seeds landed on their land.

you mean monsanto?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

 

Well, transportation and green energy do need more money.  Military needs to be defunded extensively.

 

The problem is the government spends too much money propping up red states like mississippi and alabama who get back about 200% of the federal taxes that they pay in.

 

GummiRaccoon

as long as green energy =/= ethanol

Those are the same people that run the agricultural megacorps that get federal funds to sue small farmers because some seeds landed on their land.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

as long as green energy =/= ethanol

Nibroc420

Those are the same people that run the agricultural megacorps that get federal funds to sue small farmers because some seeds landed on their land.

I am talking about their neighboring farmers that don't buy those seeds, as plants naturally grow places besides where you plant them.  So some of the seeds end up on neighboring farms through no actian of the farmer and they get sued for using them even though it is an incidental amount and they actually took no action trying to grow them.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Those are the same people that run the agricultural megacorps that get federal funds to sue small farmers because some seeds landed on their land.

GummiRaccoon

I am talking about their neighboring farmers that don't buy those seeds, as plants naturally grow places besides where you plant them.  So some of the seeds end up on neighboring farms through no actian of the farmer and they get sued for using them even though it is an incidental amount and they actually took no actian trying to grow them.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You mean the small farmers that collect the seeds they're not supposed to, and then re-use them? If you're a farmer, and you sign a contract agreeing that you will not harvest the seeds of the plants you're using, in return for heartier, bigger crops, and you break that contract, it's only fair you get sued for breach of contract and possibly theft.Nibroc420

I am talking about their neighboring farmers that don't buy those seeds, as plants naturally grow places besides where you plant them. So some of the seeds end up on neighboring farms through no actian of the farmer and they get sued for using them even though it is an incidental amount and they actually took no actian trying to grow them.

You're right dude. The farmers should go through each plant and catalog its time with an up close and personal inspection. Just like a car. It's clearly feasible.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Those are the same people that run the agricultural megacorps that get federal funds to sue small farmers because some seeds landed on their land.

GummiRaccoon

I am talking about their neighboring farmers that don't buy those seeds, as plants naturally grow places besides where you plant them.  So some of the seeds end up on neighboring farms through no actian of the farmer and they get sued for using them even though it is an incidental amount and they actually took no actian trying to grow them.

Actually, it's usually farmers that find they have GMO/glyophosate resistent plants on their property and then knowing and purposefully selecting them and saving their seeds for use

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You mean the small farmers that collect the seeds they're not supposed to, and then re-use them? If you're a farmer, and you sign a contract agreeing that you will not harvest the seeds of the plants you're using, in return for heartier, bigger crops, and you break that contract, it's only fair you get sued for breach of contract and possibly theft.Nibroc420

I am talking about their neighboring farmers that don't buy those seeds, as plants naturally grow places besides where you plant them.  So some of the seeds end up on neighboring farms through no actian of the farmer and they get sued for using them even though it is an incidental amount and they actually took no actian trying to grow them.

That's not how that happens.  If someone runs by your yard and spills their Micacle Water 2000 on your grass and you get awesome grass you don't have to pay them because you didn't actively do anything to aquire the water you didn't pay for, take a law class they cover this.

If your neighbor pays to have his house painted while he is at work and you are away on vacation and you come back and the painters have painted your house instead, you are not responsible for paying the painters.  If you are at home and you watch the painters paint your house and say nothing, then you are responsible for paying them.

there is no way to know which plants are Monsonto when they are growing or harvesting them, the farmer is under no obligation to check to make sure that they got a contaminated crop from their neighbor.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I am talking about their neighboring farmers that don't buy those seeds, as plants naturally grow places besides where you plant them.  So some of the seeds end up on neighboring farms through no actian of the farmer and they get sued for using them even though it is an incidental amount and they actually took no actian trying to grow them.

GummiRaccoon

That's not how that happens.  If someone runs by your yard and spills their Micacle Water 2000 on your grass and you get awesome grass you don't have to pay them because you didn't actively do anything to aquire the water you didn't pay for, take a law class they cover this.

If your neighbor pays to have his house painted while he is at work and you are away on vacation and you come back and the painters have painted your house instead, you are not responsible for paying the painters.  If you are at home and you watch the painters paint your house and say nothing, then you are responsible for paying them.

there is no way to know which plants are Monsonto when they are growing or harvesting them, the farmer is under no obligation to check to make sure that they got a contaminated crop from their neighbor.

Actually, the case the brought Monsanto's legal tactics into the media was a farmer who selected for the GMO plants and purposely saved the seed 

there is no way to know which plants are Monsonto when they are growing or harvesting them, the farmer is under no obligation to check to make sure that they got a contaminated crop from their neighbor.

GummiRaccoon

Really?

So when Monsanto (not Monsonto...) creates tomatos that grow 2x the size, and Farmer A, knows his Neighbour Farmer B had bought said tomato seeds.
Farmer A wont clue in, when a few of his tomato plants are growing tomatos double the size, and they look just like his neighbours?

Replace size with being better conditioned to cold tempatures, or heartier even in times of drought... Situation still remains.

But we all know most of Monsantos lawsuits have been against farmers who buy seeds in 2005-2006, and end up having the same plants in 2008, despite them not having paid for the seeds from Monanto.

Ps. If you're going to bring something up, it's best to know what company you're actually talking about, and the actual situation.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

there is no way to know which plants are Monsonto when they are growing or harvesting them, the farmer is under no obligation to check to make sure that they got a contaminated crop from their neighbor.

Nibroc420

Really?

So when Monsanto (not Monsonto...) creates tomatos that grow 2x the size, and Farmer A, knows his Neighbour Farmer B had bought said tomato seeds.
Farmer A wont clue in, when a few of his tomato plants are growing tomatos double the size, and they look just like his neighbours?

Replace size with being better conditioned to cold tempatures, or heartier even in times of drought... Situation still remains.

But we all know most of Monsantos lawsuits have been against farmers who buy seeds in 2005-2006, and end up having the same plants in 2008, despite them not having paid for the seeds from Monanto.

Ps. If you're going to bring something up, it's best to know what company you're actually talking about, and the actual situation.

Defeated by a typo again.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

there is no way to know which plants are Monsonto when they are growing or harvesting them, the farmer is under no obligation to check to make sure that they got a contaminated crop from their neighbor.

GummiRaccoon

Really?

So when Monsanto (not Monsonto...) creates tomatos that grow 2x the size, and Farmer A, knows his Neighbour Farmer B had bought said tomato seeds.
Farmer A wont clue in, when a few of his tomato plants are growing tomatos double the size, and they look just like his neighbours?

Replace size with being better conditioned to cold tempatures, or heartier even in times of drought... Situation still remains.

But we all know most of Monsantos lawsuits have been against farmers who buy seeds in 2005-2006, and end up having the same plants in 2008, despite them not having paid for the seeds from Monanto.

Ps. If you're going to bring something up, it's best to know what company you're actually talking about, and the actual situation.

Defeated by a typo again.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Really?

So when Monsanto (not Monsonto...) creates tomatos that grow 2x the size, and Farmer A, knows his Neighbour Farmer B had bought said tomato seeds.
Farmer A wont clue in, when a few of his tomato plants are growing tomatos double the size, and they look just like his neighbours?

Replace size with being better conditioned to cold tempatures, or heartier even in times of drought... Situation still remains.

But we all know most of Monsantos lawsuits have been against farmers who buy seeds in 2005-2006, and end up having the same plants in 2008, despite them not having paid for the seeds from Monanto.

 

Ps. If you're going to bring something up, it's best to know what company you're actually talking about, and the actual situation.

Nibroc420

Defeated by a typo again.

Where in the definition of type does it state that you have to have keys right next to each other.  Sometimes I type entirely incorrect words, it happens when you are reading and typing simultaneously.

Earler in this thread or another I typed "Actian" instead of Action.  A and O are nowhere near each other either.  Stop being a pedantic prick.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread is awful.AdamPA1006

it depends.  There are economc liberals that might be environmentally conservative.  Conversely, there are social liberals who are economic conservatives.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread is awful.mrbojangles25

it depends.  There are economc liberals that might be environmentally conservative.  Conversely, there are social liberals who are economic conservatives.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] You're awful. Tell me that I'm wrong, every liberal thinks every problem needs more money thrown at it. That is a completely factual statement. Every conservative thinks less money needs to be thrown at it. (FEDERAL FUNDS)Nibroc420

it depends.  There are economc liberals that might be environmentally conservative.  Conversely, there are social liberals who are economic conservatives.

what about socioeconomic?

Oooooh....my head....

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread is awful.Cube_of_MooN

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Amvis"]

Reason that happens is because of mandatory Medicaid programs, etc. Also, it's a grand conspiracy to make the Yankees pay for what they've done to us the most slow and painfaul way possible. An insidious revenge if you will.

Amvis

Force you to treat blacks like people?

Not complaining about that. The other stuff though.

What other stuff?

Absolutely false. You will find many liberals in Congress who was judicious spending, not random, rampant speding. It's true that liberals often want new programs, and money spent into current programs, but many also want to cut in places also, like military spending.

I don't really think your topic deserved a serious answer, since you were just batiing for liberal bashing, but since it's Sunday morning, I decided to be nice.

lulz, i bet this thread is full of a bunch of dudes that suckle at the government teat but claim to be conservatives that hate socialism.

hey everybody look at me i hate socialism not counting i eat subsidized food, drive on public roads, use publicly funded parks, buildings and facilities, pay less for energy because of the infrastructure paid for by the citizens, paid for part of my education with federal grants and pay into and draw from social security and medicare!

that's how dumb you are.

you are a socialist of the highest order and don't even know it.

I don't know who this is supposed to be making fun of

lostrib

 ( IN THE US. ) True or false? Education, transportation, college tuition, green energy. All need MOAR money!!! It will be fixed and be great!!!!

 

Conversely, conservatives think we are already spending too much FEDERAL funds on these things. Am I Rite?

AdamPA1006

They only say they are spending too much money when they're not elected. They'll be singing a different tune if a Republican president wins the next elections.

Money is one of the biggest difference between myself and your average Liberal. Fixing a problem goes beyond money. Unemployment is rather high and the work force is at its lowest since the 1970's. Instead of creating jobs and making the United States a more business friendly climate the solution from the left is to increase unemployment and benefits.

We've seen the Liberal experiment fail all over the country.

To the person above me, being a conservative is different than being a Republican. Look at McCain as an example.

As a whole, the Liberal persuasion loves to take (steal) my money and constantly pour it into programs and services and when they fail (which they normally do) the solution isn't to change the game plan but to throw more and more money at a problem. The United States fairs quite poorly in terms of education when compared to the rest of the modern and civilized world. Instead of holding students, teachers and parents responsible and accountable along with changing the curriculum, we'll just throw more and more money at the problem.....cause eventually it will work, right? Wrong.

Money is one of the biggest difference between myself and your average Liberal. Fixing a problem goes beyond money. Unemployment is rather high and the work force is at its lowest since the 1970's. Instead of creating jobs and making the United States a more business friendly climate the solution from the left is to increase unemployment and benefits.

We've seen the Liberal experiment fail all over the country.

To the person above me, being a conservative is different than being a Republican. Look at McCain as an example.

Solaryellow

[QUOTE="Solaryellow"]As a whole, the Liberal persuasion loves to take (steal) my money and constantly pour it into programs and services and when they fail (which they normally do) the solution isn't to change the game plan but to throw more and more money at a problem. The United States fairs quite poorly in terms of education when compared to the rest of the modern and civilized world. Instead of holding students, teachers and parents responsible and accountable along with changing the curriculum, we'll just throw more and more money at the problem.....cause eventually it will work, right? Wrong.

Money is one of the biggest difference between myself and your average Liberal. Fixing a problem goes beyond money. Unemployment is rather high and the work force is at its lowest since the 1970's. Instead of creating jobs and making the United States a more business friendly climate the solution from the left is to increase unemployment and benefits.

We've seen the Liberal experiment fail all over the country.

To the person above me, being a conservative is different than being a Republican. Look at McCain as an example.

YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Solaryellow"]As a whole, the Liberal persuasion loves to take (steal) my money and constantly pour it into programs and services and when they fail (which they normally do) the solution isn't to change the game plan but to throw more and more money at a problem. The United States fairs quite poorly in terms of education when compared to the rest of the modern and civilized world. Instead of holding students, teachers and parents responsible and accountable along with changing the curriculum, we'll just throw more and more money at the problem.....cause eventually it will work, right? Wrong.

 

Money is one of the biggest difference between myself and your average Liberal. Fixing a problem goes beyond money. Unemployment is rather high and the work force is at its lowest since the 1970's. Instead of creating jobs and making the United States a more business friendly climate the solution from the left is to increase unemployment and benefits.

We've seen the Liberal experiment fail all over the country.

To the person above me, being a conservative is different than being a Republican. Look at McCain as an example.

mmwmwmmwmwmm

I don't think it was meant to be a thorough rebuttal. It's pretty much on par with the rest of this flame-baiting thread.

This thread is awful. We spend billions on "defense," while children can't afford lunch at school. Money should go towards education. Why is college so expensive? I'll probably be 80-100K in debt once I graduate. Really motivates people to shoot for the highly skilled jobs our country could use right? right? Our priorities are sorta wrong....YoshiYogurt

The government backing student loans is part of the problem. If there were no such things as Stafford Loans, colleges would not be guaranteed to get repaid if the student defaults and the price of college would go back down due to lack of enrollment as people would not be able to necessarily afford to go. As it is, with people wanting their student loans forgiven now (a big part of OWS wanted this) doesn't help matters.

More money to the space program be nice. One whole penny maybe ..y'know instead of a half penny. I want to see another moon landing. Many of the solutions to the world major problems are up there.Motokid6

Yeah, I dunno about that.