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#2851 MrGeezer
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I'm starting to get worried that the writers really screwed up with this episode, that they didn't have everything planned from the beginning and that they are simply trying to make sense of everything by putting things together at the last minute.

Here's what I mean: In "House of the Rising Sun", where we first see Adam and Eve, Jack said that the bodies were not older than 40 or 50 years. "Across the Sea" clearly takes place hundreds of years earlier. So unless the writers have some unbelieavable explanation (maybe some more time travel) for how the bodies and the rocks moved through time, that could be a serious mess up that really ****s up the continuity of the show. I have my fingers crossed this wasn't a mistake by the writers.

But its these kinds of contradictions that we saw in this episode such as in the behaviour of Jacob and MiB that has me worried, it just felt out of place. The episode was just incomplete overall, it needed to answer all the questions it presented us.

Samurai_Xavier

There is a VERY simple and obvious solution to that, that makes perfect sense.

You can see it right here on Gamespot, every single day. Or probably at your job, or at school.

Jack was simply talking out of his ass. He had absolutely no idea how old the skeletons were, he just made up a number, and people believed him because he spoke with authority.

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#2852 pete_merlin
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I didnt like this ep too much. The subject at hand is getting more stupid every episode.

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#2853 pete_merlin
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[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

I'm starting to get worried that the writers really screwed up with this episode, that they didn't have everything planned from the beginning and that they are simply trying to make sense of everything by putting things together at the last minute.

Here's what I mean: In "House of the Rising Sun", where we first see Adam and Eve, Jack said that the bodies were not older than 40 or 50 years. "Across the Sea" clearly takes place hundreds of years earlier. So unless the writers have some unbelieavable explanation (maybe some more time travel) for how the bodies and the rocks moved through time, that could be a serious mess up that really ****s up the continuity of the show. I have my fingers crossed this wasn't a mistake by the writers.

But its these kinds of contradictions that we saw in this episode such as in the behaviour of Jacob and MiB that has me worried, it just felt out of place. The episode was just incomplete overall, it needed to answer all the questions it presented us.

MrGeezer

There is a VERY simple and obvious solution to that, that makes perfect sense.

You can see it right here on Gamespot, every single day. Or probably at your job, or at school.

Jack was simply talking out of his ass. He had absolutely no idea how old the skeletons were, he just made up a number, and people believed him because he spoke with authority.

Id have to say they didn't know the ending of their show during the first few seasons, at least. They are just tying up loose ends anyway they can. Some of the stuff they are currently doing is pretty simple tbh.
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#2854 MrGeezer
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Id have to say they didn't know the ending of their show during the first few seasons, at least. They are just tying up loose ends anyway they can. Some of the stuff they are currently doing is pretty simple tbh. pete_merlin

I'm not disagreeing with that at all. Still though, the identity of "Adam and Eve" is ENTIRELY consistent with Jack's earlier comment. Especially once you realize that Jack (along with pretty much everyone else in this series) has NEVER really known very much of what is going on.

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#2855 MystikFollower
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I'm surprised that this episode kinda got a negative response from some people. I found it to be fascinating and very informative now that I fully understand the scope and the degree of this struggle between MiB and Jacob. I had a hunch before that they might be related, but it was still a shock to find out they were brothers. I really love the character depth they've given to Jacob and MiB, cause now I think I have a much better grasp on everything and where it's all headed. I figured it wasn't just a light vs dark thing, and I'm happy to see them giving it more complexity. Am I the only one who actually kinda sympathizes with the MiB now? I understand exactly why he wants to leave, and finding out it was Jacob who caused him to become what he is, made me realize Jacob is not nearly as benevolent as he made himself out to be. All in all, excellent episode, and I can't wait to see how they conclude things now.

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#2856 x8VXU6
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The only thing I didnt like about this episode is the light thing,I would have been fine if they said that Smokey was pure evil and the island was there to keep him there as long as Jacob is alive. But now that Jacob is dead he can go, unless someone else takes jacob place. but the light thing its all that bad it could have been alot worst

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#2857 blackngold29
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Id have to say they didn't know the ending of their show during the first few seasons, at least. They are just tying up loose ends anyway they can. Some of the stuff they are currently doing is pretty simple tbh. pete_merlin
JJ Abrahms came up with the ending before the show even started. At least the "big picture."
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Does no one care at all about Walt? I know most of you think he's just a dues ex machine, but

I love the character, his interactions with Locke, and finally Michael. Especialyl Michael's treachery in season 2. Oh, and this webcomic


Also, it'd be hilarious if I actually read the posts before watching this episode. I would have

been so disappointed and thought this episode was crap. Thankfully I'm not disappointed and only see this episode as crap. The people of Lost are such shark jumpers.

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I found the episode although informative, is not really necessary. In fact it raised a couple more questions like what is really the shining light in the water, how did Jacob's fake mother got on the island, and why or who appointed her to protect the light. I wanted more focus on the Oceanic 815 characters sense it is almost the ending finale for Lost.

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#2860 bobaban
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I found the episode although informative, is not really necessary. In fact it raised a couple more questions like what is really the shining light in the water, how did Jacob's fake mother got on the island, and why or who appointed her to protect the light. I wanted more focus on the Oceanic 815 characters sense it is almost the ending finale for Lost.

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I had the same questions as well. Hopefully all will be answered. As it stands this episode was about Jacobs/MIB's origin. Not the island which is what most people were expecting.
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#2861 Travo_basic
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[QUOTE="bobaban"][QUOTE="klusps"]

I found the episode although informative, is not really necessary. In fact it raised a couple more questions like what is really the shining light in the water, how did Jacob's fake mother got on the island, and why or who appointed her to protect the light. I wanted more focus on the Oceanic 815 characters sense it is almost the ending finale for Lost.

I had the same questions as well. Hopefully all will be answered. As it stands this episode was about Jacobs/MIB's origin. Not the island which is what most people were expecting.

I'm satisfied with the story, but would love to have seen the statue from the front.
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[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="bobaban"][QUOTE="klusps"]

I found the episode although informative, is not really necessary. In fact it raised a couple more questions like what is really the shining light in the water, how did Jacob's fake mother got on the island, and why or who appointed her to protect the light. I wanted more focus on the Oceanic 815 characters sense it is almost the ending finale for Lost.

I had the same questions as well. Hopefully all will be answered. As it stands this episode was about Jacobs/MIB's origin. Not the island which is what most people were expecting.

I'm satisfied with the story, but would love to have seen the statue from the front.

It's weird that there is such a thing of pregnancy on the island, with the conception problems, the statue of fertility goddess Tawret and Jacob and MIB's mom washing up on shore and going into labor relatively immediately
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#2863 Travo_basic
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[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="bobaban"] I had the same questions as well. Hopefully all will be answered. As it stands this episode was about Jacobs/MIB's origin. Not the island which is what most people were expecting. xaos
I'm satisfied with the story, but would love to have seen the statue from the front.

It's weird that there is such a thing of pregnancy on the island, with the conception problems, the statue of fertility goddess Tawret and Jacob and MIB's mom washing up on shore and going into labor relatively immediately

Did the destruction of the statue cause the pregnancy problems?
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"] I'm satisfied with the story, but would love to have seen the statue from the front.Travo_basic
It's weird that there is such a thing of pregnancy on the island, with the conception problems, the statue of fertility goddess Tawret and Jacob and MIB's mom washing up on shore and going into labor relatively immediately

Did the destruction of the statue cause the pregnancy problems?

Well, we know Ethan was conceived and born on-island back in the 70's, so I'm assuming the problem was caused by the "Incident" but that's just an inference. If memory serves, we saw the Black Rock hit the statue in Ab Aeterno a century before that, but I could be misremembering; maybe they just saw the statue?
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#2865 Ultrabeatdown55
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It needed to answer all the questions it presented us.Samurai_Xavier
No, it didn't. It has been said by Damon and Carlton not to judge the episode until you see the final 2. They say opinions will be changed.
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#2866 Travo_basic
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[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="xaos"] It's weird that there is such a thing of pregnancy on the island, with the conception problems, the statue of fertility goddess Tawret and Jacob and MIB's mom washing up on shore and going into labor relatively immediatelyxaos
Did the destruction of the statue cause the pregnancy problems?

Well, we know Ethan was conceived and born on-island back in the 70's, so I'm assuming the problem was caused by the "Incident" but that's just an inference. If memory serves, we saw the Black Rock hit the statue in Ab Aeterno a century before that, but I could be misremembering; maybe they just saw the statue?

I think you're right. I forgot about Ethan.
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#2867 Ultrabeatdown55
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[QUOTE="pete_merlin"]Id have to say they didn't know the ending of their show during the first few seasons, at least. They are just tying up loose ends anyway they can. Some of the stuff they are currently doing is pretty simple tbh. blackngold29
JJ Abrahms came up with the ending before the show even started. At least the "big picture."

No he didn't. Why does JJ Abrams keep getting associated with this show now. He hasn't been involved since the Pilot. Yes, he was co-creator and director of the Pilot but I guarantee you he knows nothing of the finale.
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#2868 solidruss
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Just came across this, had to share:P

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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="pete_merlin"]Id have to say they didn't know the ending of their show during the first few seasons, at least. They are just tying up loose ends anyway they can. Some of the stuff they are currently doing is pretty simple tbh. Ultrabeatdown55
JJ Abrahms came up with the ending before the show even started. At least the "big picture."

No he didn't. Why does JJ Abrams keep getting associated with this show now. He hasn't been involved since the Pilot. Yes, he was co-creator and director of the Pilot but I guarantee you he knows nothing of the finale.

I remember when he directed Star Trek he went on Jimmy Fallon and he said he knew the ending of the show. I would have to find the clip to be sure, but he did say something like that. Or at least, like the other poster said, he knows the "big picture".

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#2870 tman93
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[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]It needed to answer all the questions it presented us.Ultrabeatdown55
No, it didn't. It has been said by Damon and Carlton not to judge the episode until you see the final 2. They say opinions will be changed.

They really said that? Good, I posted the exact same thing a few pages ago, that this episode has people mixed, but after the end (when everything is explained) we can look back to this episode and see it for what it was and not what it wasn't. I'm included in this as I wanted to see the statue, the lighthouse, and Jacob/MiB the night of the plane crash.I think this will go down as a good to great episode after the end. People have to realize that this most likely isn't the last we will see of the Jacob flashbacks.
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#2871 Chiddaling
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Just came across this, had to share:P

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So true :P

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#2872 bobaban
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[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] JJ Abrahms came up with the ending before the show even started. At least the "big picture."Samurai_Xavier

No he didn't. Why does JJ Abrams keep getting associated with this show now. He hasn't been involved since the Pilot. Yes, he was co-creator and director of the Pilot but I guarantee you he knows nothing of the finale.

I remember when he directed Star Trek he went on Jimmy Fallon and he said he knew the ending of the show. I would have to find the clip to be sure, but he did say something like that. Or at least, like the other poster said, he knows the "big picture".

I really think they had some idea on how the show would end. The adam/eve corpses is the biggest indicator of this, the two stones even further show they had a huge significance. It wasn't just some way to tie it all the way back to season 1.
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[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] JJ Abrahms came up with the ending before the show even started. At least the "big picture."Samurai_Xavier

No he didn't. Why does JJ Abrams keep getting associated with this show now. He hasn't been involved since the Pilot. Yes, he was co-creator and director of the Pilot but I guarantee you he knows nothing of the finale.

I remember when he directed Star Trek he went on Jimmy Fallon and he said he knew the ending of the show. I would have to find the clip to be sure, but he did say something like that. Or at least, like the other poster said, he knows the "big picture".

Yeah, I've heard Damon and Carlton say it on a podcast somewhere. I don't know how much they came up with, the vast majority of the details were worked out as they were writing over the years. But the final big surprise as to what the heck is up with the island, they've known all along. They told Matthew Fox a few years back, not sure how long they held out with everyone else (both Damon and Carlton have confirmed on Twitter that the final episode is complete). They've confirmed that they aren't dead and they aren't in a snow globe.
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#2874 CaptainSchwamm
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[QUOTE="Swanogt19"][QUOTE="spazzx625"] Ehhh, not necessarily. Hurley (and others) have seen dead people that don't seem to be controlled by Smokey. spazzx625
But it makes sense. He used Jack's father to fool Locke that he had to die.

It DOES make sense...Kinda. That would certainly rule out Mother being the smoke monster, though.

Wasn't it explained that the dead people they kept seeing were people that "hadn't moved on yet"? They aren't the smoke monster. Jacks dad and Locke were the smoke monster though. I think its possible that Jacobs mother was the smoke monster, considering she knew what would happen if you stepped into the light. Also she mentioned that she wouldn't die, somewhere in the episode, and she didn't appear to age throughout the episode.
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I believe the other mother was both protector and Smokey. The two jobs were given to two different people, one willingly and by force. MiB has to stay on the island now because of what he has becoime and what could happen if he leaves.
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#2876 bobaban
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[QUOTE="CaptainSchwamm"][QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="Swanogt19"] But it makes sense. He used Jack's father to fool Locke that he had to die.

It DOES make sense...Kinda. That would certainly rule out Mother being the smoke monster, though.

Wasn't it explained that the dead people they kept seeing were people that "hadn't moved on yet"?

Only Hugo can see the true dead. Anyone else and its the smoke monster taking that form. Like I said before this is all tied to what the island is, a sort of gateway to the afterlife. I'm guessing since everyone who is dead is stuck on that island and can't "move one" is all tied back to when MIB became smokey and closed the gateway. The references that John Locke is Jesus Christ is foreshadowing, because Jesus died for our sins so all the souls can pass into heaven. So I think the real John Locke will be resurrected as the new smokey.
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I ignored LOST since day one, however I just got into it and its damn good. Just finished seasons 1 and 2. Gonna go pick up season 3 later today...
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I ignored LOST since day one, however I just got into it and its damn good. Just finished seasons 1 and 2. Gonna go pick up season 3 later today...Anti-Venom

Just wait. About Season 4 that show starts going down the biggest mind**** WTF trip ever.

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[QUOTE="Anti-Venom"]I ignored LOST since day one, however I just got into it and its damn good. Just finished seasons 1 and 2. Gonna go pick up season 3 later today...MystikFollower

Just wait. About Season 4 that show starts going down the biggest mind**** WTF trip ever.

lol I bet, I gotta stay away from this thread. I'll get too tempted to read the spoilers
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I ignored LOST since day one, however I just got into it and its damn good. Just finished seasons 1 and 2. Gonna go pick up season 3 later today...Anti-Venom
Do NOT give up on the show if you feel you do not enjoy the beginning of Season 3. The later half of Season 3 has some of the best episodes of the show.
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I ignored LOST since day one, however I just got into it and its damn good. Just finished seasons 1 and 2. Gonna go pick up season 3 later today...Anti-Venom
Welcome to the LOST club. If you have Netflix streaming, then you can watch all of LOST on there. Are you gonna try and catch up before the finale?
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Also, why does everyone like that Ab Anterino episode so much? The one with Richard?

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#2883 Travo_basic
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Also, why does everyone like that Ab Anterino episode so much? The one with Richard?

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Because people have been dying to see his backstory and it was given to us in a very satisfying way.
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#2884 MystikFollower
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Also, why does everyone like that Ab Anterino episode so much? The one with Richard?

thattotally

For me, I loved the episode cause of the format for it, and the fact that I've wanted to know Richard's backstory since he first came into the picture and I realized that somehow he didn't age.

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#2885 x8VXU6
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Also, why does everyone like that Ab Anterino episode so much? The one with Richard?

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cuz the second we founded out that he doesnt age we all wanted to know why

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#2886 Travo_basic
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New press release is up. Has anyone else had The Door's "The End" stuck in their head all week?
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Only one old character is reappearing? I guess the episode won't be about why the Island kills off people, probably more about Sun/Jin/Sayid being killed by Smokey. I was hoping this would be the episode with all the old characters coming back in the flashsideways (Charile, Faraday, Eko, ect.)
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Early reviews say that this is the best episode of the season.
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:lol: Great joke. Best episode eh? Good news to me.
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I've really haven't been this amped for the final couple hours of a show since The Wire/The Soprano's. I feel like this (The final few hours), more than any other show, will really make or break how I view the show in the long run.

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#2891 Samurai_Xavier
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Wow, in one week we will be watching the final epsiode of Lost. I can't believe it.

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Wow, in one week we will be watching the final epsiode of Lost. I can't believe it.

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I am such a ***** that I started crying before just thinking about it. I think we all of us here can agree that I am the biggest fan here :lol: I am going to be crying all day next Sunday :cry:
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#2893 Samurai_Xavier
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Lol, Ultra. Yeah, youre probably the biggest Lost fan here.....

Its such an awesome thing that the finale is on Sunday. I'm willing to bet that the next episode will have one hell of a cliffhanger that sets up the finale. Luckily, we won't have to wait too long to see The End.

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#2894 Ultrabeatdown55
Member since 2008 • 15314 Posts

I was just wondering out of all you guys, do you think we will get MIB's name? I am starting to think they are going to not give him a name to leave him even more ambiguous.

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#2895 Ultrabeatdown55
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Lol, Ultra. Yeah, youre probably the biggest Lost fan here.....

Its such an awesome thing that the finale is on Sunday. I'm willing to bet that the next episode will have one hell of a cliffhanger that sets up the finale. Luckily, we won't have to wait too long to see The End.

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#2896 MystikFollower
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This is the best fanmade trailer I think I've ever seen. It's got me totally pumped:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1yHmUW05Y

Sorry bout that!

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#2897 Ultrabeatdown55
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This is the best fanmade trailer I think I've ever seen. It's got me totally pumped.

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#2898 Samurai_Xavier
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I was just wondering out of all you guys, do you think we will get MIB's name? I am starting to think they are going to not give him a name to leave him even more ambiguous.

Ultrabeatdown55

Maybe its Hurley. :shock:

Probably not. :P

But I don't see why not give the name. I think they will have to give it out. There has to be a reason why they're holding it back. Like I said, it could be the same name as some other character and it could hold a lot of answers. But who knows.

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#2899 bmaninc
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I think Kate is in on something (not sure what, but I think its been from the beginning), and Locke (the actual guy) had seen the source before his death.
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#2900 tman93
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I like this preview the best, it's a recap of the entire show, I think it might have been made by ABC but I don't know. If you don't like the music it's still an awesome recap before the finale (up to the end of season 5)