Majority of Americans Support G@y Marriage AND Adoption by G@y Couples

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#1 Theokhoth
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http://www.publicreligion.org/research/?id=579

Surprisingly, more people support gays adopting than gays marrying.

In addition, it's no longer just the youth supporting equality:

Sixty-one percent of 18-34 year olds support allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, but so do nearly 6-in-10 (57%) Americans between the ages of 35 and 49.


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#2 Stesilaus
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Not good enough.

There won't be true equality until pedophiles can adopt too.

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I can imagine how will WBC members react to this. :P

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As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

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As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

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Let's have a mass culling of them. I choose crossbow as my weapon of choice.
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As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

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The Democrats' "Death Panels" will take care of that. :P

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As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

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Messed up, but totally true.
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Results from the survey were based on telephone interviews conducted May 5-8, 2011 among a national probability sample of 1,007 adults age 18 and older. The overall margin of error is +/- 3.0 percentage points.


What states and areas were these 1k people from? I don't like surveys for this reason, they are not accurate when they don't explain all their data.



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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

karriston

Let's have a mass culling of them. I choose crossbow as my weapon of choice.

I choose baby seal as my weapon of choice.

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Well get used to it... life expectancy is only going to rise, no matter how fat everyone gets... these outgoing old people will be replaced my new old people, only more of them, and these new old people will live longer...

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Results from the survey were based on telephone interviews conducted May 5-8, 2011 among a national probability sample of 1,007 adults age 18 and older. The overall margin of error is +/- 3.0 percentage points.

What state were these 1k people from? I don't like surveys for this reason, they are not accurate when they don't explain all their data.

Espada12

Every national telephone poll uses randomly selected telephone numbers from anywhere in the nation in order to get a representative sampling. They don't say as much because that's basically implied; the whole point of a (honest) poll is to get a representative sampling.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

karriston

Let's have a mass culling of them. I choose crossbow as my weapon of choice.

my choice is M80 firecrackers. I would rather light and throw and watch em have heart attacks and fall over dead. :P

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As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

GabuEx

I blame science.

Not a supporter either.

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Every national telephone poll uses randomly selected telephone numbers from anywhere in the nation in order to get a representative sampling. They don't say as much because that's basically implied; the whole point of a (honest) poll is to get a representative sampling.

GabuEx

Yeah I know, it's just the accuracy of these polls has been known to be off. You poll and find out 51% of Americans want it, then when it comes up for vote it fails by 6-10%. of the required votes needed.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Results from the survey were based on telephone interviews conducted May 5-8, 2011 among a national probability sample of 1,007 adults age 18 and older. The overall margin of error is +/- 3.0 percentage points.

What state were these 1k people from? I don't like surveys for this reason, they are not accurate when they don't explain all their data.

GabuEx

Every national telephone poll uses randomly selected telephone numbers from anywhere in the nation in order to get a representative sampling. They don't say as much because that's basically implied; the whole point of a (honest) poll is to get a representative sampling.

Somehow, I get the feeling that a guy who bragged about defending genocide of gays in Uganda will always find something to complain about when it comes to surveys indicating majority favor of gays. Just a hunch.
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Every national telephone poll uses randomly selected telephone numbers from anywhere in the nation in order to get a representative sampling. They don't say as much because that's basically implied; the whole point of a (honest) poll is to get a representative sampling.

Espada12

Yeah I know, it's just the accuracy of these polls has been known to be off. You poll and find out 51% of Americans want it, then when it comes up for vote it fails by 6-10%. of the required votes needed.

What nationwide poll of support for gay marriage showed 51% support before a vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

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Booooo bad! Booooo!

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Booooo bad! Booooo!

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How is this bad :?
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Yet the people the majority vote for support neither.
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Crap, now America is going to end up like Sodom.
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

Stesilaus

The Democrats' "Death Panels" will take care of that. :P

It's a conspiracy! They just want to pass healthcare so they can kill old people and pass their agendas!
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Crap, now America is going to end up like Sodom. Fuhgeddabouditt

Hiding in a pit while wearing a long beard?

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Somehow, I get the feeling that a guy who bragged about defending genocide of gays in Uganda will always find something to complain about when it comes to surveys indicating majority favor of gays. Just a hunch.Theokhoth
A really bad hunch. Gosh, Theo, don't you know sarcasm?
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Yet the people the majority vote for support neither.scorch-62
How is it good?

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Every national telephone poll uses randomly selected telephone numbers from anywhere in the nation in order to get a representative sampling. They don't say as much because that's basically implied; the whole point of a (honest) poll is to get a representative sampling.

GabuEx

Yeah I know, it's just the accuracy of these polls has been known to be off. You poll and find out 51% of Americans want it, then when it comes up for vote it fails by 6-10%. of the required votes needed.

What nationwide poll of support for gay marriage showed 51% support before a vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100812/pl_yblog_upshot/poll-majority-of-americans-support-gay-marriage

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[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]Crap, now America is going to end up like Sodom. tenaka2

Hiding in a pit while wearing a long beard?

no :P Sodom and Gomorrah were cities in the bible destroyed by god with fire because of their sinful ways. The sins that were hinted were homosexual activities including homosexual orgies, etc. You can even see the physical remains of the city today.Oh and by the way, it was sarcasm.

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#28 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yeah I know, it's just the accuracy of these polls has been known to be off. You poll and find out 51% of Americans want it, then when it comes up for vote it fails by 6-10%. of the required votes needed.

Espada12

What nationwide poll of support for gay marriage showed 51% support before a vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100812/pl_yblog_upshot/poll-majority-of-americans-support-gay-marriage

OK, there's a nationwide poll showing 52% support of gay marriage... where's the nationwide vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

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how many fall into the category of I dont care?? cause thats where im at lol
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Just give the civil union couples the same rights as those couples that are married and be done with it. Gays would have the same rights and that would make them happy, no?

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how many fall into the category of I dont care?? cause thats where im at lolmems_1224
Not caring is simply passive support for the negative. So you would fall under the minority crowd.
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]Crap, now America is going to end up like Sodom. Fuhgeddabouditt

Hiding in a pit while wearing a long beard?

no :P Sodom and Gomorrah were cities in the bible destroyed by god with fire because of their sinful ways. The sins that were hinted were homosexual activities including homosexual orgies, etc. You can even see the physical remains of the city today.Oh and by the way, it was sarcasm.

I knew what you meant I was just punning, turn me into a pillar of salt why don't you :P

If I perform Sadom shall I contract gomorrah? :cry:

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Just give the civil union couples the same rights as those couples that are married and be done with it. Gays would have the same rights and that would make them happy, no?

Chutebox
As long as they can also adopt, sure. But then there'd be no reason whatsoever not to call these civil unions "marriages." The purpose of a civil union would no longer exist.
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Results from the survey were based on telephone interviews conducted May 5-8, 2011 among a national probability sample of 1,007 adults age 18 and older. The overall margin of error is +/- 3.0 percentage points.


What states and areas were these 1k people from? I don't like surveys for this reason, they are not accurate when they don't explain all their data.



Espada12

Why does it matter as long as the sample was random? As long as it was random, it was representative.

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]how many fall into the category of I dont care?? cause thats where im at lolTheokhoth
Not caring is simply passive support for the negative. So you would fall under the minority crowd.

Passive support for the negative? :?

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Just give the civil union couples the same rights as those couples that are married and be done with it. Gays would have the same rights and that would make them happy, no?

Theokhoth
As long as they can also adopt, sure. But then there'd be no reason whatsoever not to call these civil unions "marriages." The purpose of a civil union would no longer exist.

I'm ok with gays adopting too. I know this is going to spark another argument here but It's not my intention, but the term marriage is more than just a word to many of us.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]how many fall into the category of I dont care?? cause thats where im at lolGabuEx

Not caring is simply passive support for the negative. So you would fall under the minority crowd.

Passive support for the negative? :?

Sure. Apathy is only another way of supporting the wrong; remaining apathetic to women's voting rights, for instance, only serves to prolong the length of time in which women cannot vote.
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Just give the civil union couples the same rights as those couples that are married and be done with it. Gays would have the same rights and that would make them happy, no?

Chutebox

They usually do. its not the rights the gay agenda is after, its the acceptance. they want the marriage label. Whether that label already "belonged" to those who fight against them or not. kinda sad and ironic in my opinion.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Just give the civil union couples the same rights as those couples that are married and be done with it. Gays would have the same rights and that would make them happy, no?

Chutebox
As long as they can also adopt, sure. But then there'd be no reason whatsoever not to call these civil unions "marriages." The purpose of a civil union would no longer exist.

I'm ok with gays adopting too. I know this is going to spark another argument here but It's not my intention, but the term marriage is more than just a word to many of us.

It is to gays too. That's why it's such a big deal to them.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Results from the survey were based on telephone interviews conducted May 5-8, 2011 among a national probability sample of 1,007 adults age 18 and older. The overall margin of error is +/- 3.0 percentage points.


What states and areas were these 1k people from? I don't like surveys for this reason, they are not accurate when they don't explain all their data.



Former_Slacker

Why does it matter as long as the sample was random? As long as it was random, it was representative.

As long as the pool is truely representive of the whole.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Not caring is simply passive support for the negative. So you would fall under the minority crowd.Theokhoth

Passive support for the negative? :?

Sure. Apathy is only another way of supporting the wrong; remaining apathetic to women's voting rights, for instance, only serves to prolong the length of time in which women cannot vote.

It seems to me that people who are opposed to gay marriage could make the exact opposite assertion, that apathy passively supports gay marriage since an apathetic person is not going to vote against it.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] As long as they can also adopt, sure. But then there'd be no reason whatsoever not to call these civil unions "marriages." The purpose of a civil union would no longer exist.Theokhoth
I'm ok with gays adopting too. I know this is going to spark another argument here but It's not my intention, but the term marriage is more than just a word to many of us.

It is to gays too. That's why it's such a big deal to them.

You just said (not in actual words) that it's just a word. You were more than okay to use civil union if it included all rights.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Passive support for the negative? :?

GabuEx

Sure. Apathy is only another way of supporting the wrong; remaining apathetic to women's voting rights, for instance, only serves to prolong the length of time in which women cannot vote.

It seems to me that people who are opposed to gay marriage could make the exact opposite assertion, that apathy passively supports gay marriage since an apathetic person is not going to vote against it.

Gay marriage isn't the status quo.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I'm ok with gays adopting too. I know this is going to spark another argument here but It's not my intention, but the term marriage is more than just a word to many of us.Chutebox

It is to gays too. That's why it's such a big deal to them.

You just said (not in actual words) that it's just a word. You were more than okay to use civil union if it included all rights.

Separating one type of union from another as though there's a difference between the two (when there isn't) is more than just semantics. If marriage and civil unions are the same, why call one "A" and one "B"? Finally, you act as though only straights care about marriage. If marriage didn't mean anything to gays then it wouldn't be such a huge f***ing deal to them, now would it?

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] It is to gays too. That's why it's such a big deal to them.Theokhoth

You just said (not in actual words) that it's just a word. You were more than okay to use civil union if it included all rights.

Separating one type of union from another as though there's a difference between the two (when there isn't) is more than just semantics. If marriage and civil unions are the same, why call one "A" and one "B"? Finally, you act as though only straights care about marriage. If marriage didn't mean anything to gays then it wouldn't be such a huge f***ing deal to them, now would it?

This is my point. There is a different to those of us who are religious. It's not semantics.

If they received the exact same rights as straight couples who are married, and you are not religous, why the hell would you care what term is used?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] You just said (not in actual words) that it's just a word. You were more than okay to use civil union if it included all rights.

Chutebox

Separating one type of union from another as though there's a difference between the two (when there isn't) is more than just semantics. If marriage and civil unions are the same, why call one "A" and one "B"? Finally, you act as though only straights care about marriage. If marriage didn't mean anything to gays then it wouldn't be such a huge f***ing deal to them, now would it?

This is my point. There is a different to those of us who are religious. It's not semantics.

If they received the exact same rights as straight couples who are married, and you are not religous, why the hell would you care what term is used?

Atheists can get married. And atheists would probably get pissed if their marriages were considered "different" or having "less meaning" than those of religious couples. Religious people do not have any monopoly on marriage or the meaning of marriage. If you believe marriage is different, whatever, have fun with that; your religious views have no place in the legal sphere of things.
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Good, I say. Not that I believe marriage to be on my list of "things to do before death", I don't think it's fair that the majority of people get to vote on the rights of a minority. Isn't that who we're supposed to be protecting?
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Separating one type of union from another as though there's a difference between the two (when there isn't) is more than just semantics. If marriage and civil unions are the same, why call one "A" and one "B"? Finally, you act as though only straights care about marriage. If marriage didn't mean anything to gays then it wouldn't be such a huge f***ing deal to them, now would it?

Theokhoth

This is my point. There is a different to those of us who are religious. It's not semantics.

If they received the exact same rights as straight couples who are married, and you are not religous, why the hell would you care what term is used?

Atheists can get married. And atheists would probably get pissed if their marriages were considered "different" or having "less meaning" than those of religious couples. Religious people do not have any monopoly on marriage or the meaning of marriage. If you believe marriage is different, whatever, have fun with that; your religious views have no place in the legal sphere of things.

Atheists getting married don't really mean anything. Marriage is more than just a term, but I'll leave it at that.

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#49 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

This is my point. There is a different to those of us who are religious. It's not semantics.

If they received the exact same rights as straight couples who are married, and you are not religous, why the hell would you care what term is used?

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Atheists can get married. And atheists would probably get pissed if their marriages were considered "different" or having "less meaning" than those of religious couples. Religious people do not have any monopoly on marriage or the meaning of marriage. If you believe marriage is different, whatever, have fun with that; your religious views have no place in the legal sphere of things.

Atheists getting married don't really mean anything. Marriage is more than just a term, but I'll leave it at that.

That's quite. . .brazen of you to just dismiss hundreds of millions of marriages with the waving of your hand, but I suppose an exercised hand makes for good ego-stroking. In any case, I repeat: your religious views have no place in the law, and marriage is not just a term for those fighting for it. If you can't understand this, whatever; gaze with confusion as society passes you by.