Majority of Americans Support G@y Marriage AND Adoption by G@y Couples

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Sure, why not. HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY WRONG, AND I AM OBVIOUSLY RIGHT. IF ANYONE THINKS DIFFERENTLY, THEY ARE STUPID AND THEIR OPINION MEANS NOTHING!

GreySeal9

Do you guys have anything constructive to add to this thread?

Gay people should have the right to marry and adopt kids. Plenty of kids raised by gay/lesbian couples have turned out fine, and people are making too much out of this.

ITT: People who cant stand they are wrong. :P

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"]I thank god these surveys are completely wrong. Its laughable people are trying to make this ok. Next thing you know we'll have pedophile parades, and people will be pushing for pedophiles to adopt. Theyre people too.Mephers

And there is a group that supports gay ephebophilia (i.e. sexual relations between gay men and gay teens) called NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"]I thank god these surveys are completely wrong. Its laughable people are trying to make this ok. Next thing you know we'll have pedophile parades, and people will be pushing for pedophiles to adopt. Theyre people too.Mephers

And there is a group that supports gay ephebophilia (i.e. sexual relations between gay men and gay teens) called NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)

So what do you have to say about the inherentdifference between two constenting adults and pedophilia?

And how do you know that these surverys are "wrong"? What evidence do you have?

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Well there are folks who are pushing for pedophilia to be considered a "sexual orientation".

And there is a group that supports gay ephebophilia (i.e. sexual relations between gay men and gay teens) called NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)

whipassmt

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Well there are folks who are pushing for pedophilia to be considered a "sexual orientation".

And there is a group that supports gay ephebophilia (i.e. sexual relations between gay men and gay teens) called NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)

whipassmt

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

So again, what point are you trying to make with those two examples? I mean, you do realize that there is a difference between two adults in a consentual homosexual relationship and pedophilia, right? You do realize that many pedophiles that prey on boys are not neccesarily homosexual, right? You do realize that people pushing for peophilia to be a sexual orientation really has nothing to do with gays as they are two different things, right?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] A small part of me hates you. As if all this crap wasn't weird and backwards enough. Honestly thought you were joking. Too bad I cant un know this kuraimen

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

Mephers

And your point is?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] A small part of me hates you. As if all this crap wasn't weird and backwards enough. Honestly thought you were joking. Too bad I cant un know this GreySeal9

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

So again, what point are you trying to make with those two examples? I mean, you do realize that there is a difference between two adults in a consentual homosexual relationship and pedophilia, right? You do realize that many pedophiles that prey on boys are not neccesarily homosexual, right? You do realize that people pushing for peophilia to be a sexual orientation really has nothing to do with gays as they are two different things, right?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] A small part of me hates you. As if all this crap wasn't weird and backwards enough. Honestly thought you were joking. Too bad I cant un know this kuraimen

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

Differences don't matter when people are trying to demonize a certain group by association.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

Mephers

And psychological and sociological studies would show that they are objectively incorrect.

There is nothing harmful about homosexuality; homosexual people are just as likely as heterosexual people to be well-adjusted functioning members of society. The same is not true of pedophiles.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

Mephers

Well they are and it's pretty easy to prove it.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

quite unfortunate and odious. But you need to know this so you can stand against it.

Mephers

So again, what point are you trying to make with those two examples? I mean, you do realize that there is a difference between two adults in a consentual homosexual relationship and pedophilia, right? You do realize that many pedophiles that prey on boys are not neccesarily homosexual, right? You do realize that people pushing for peophilia to be a sexual orientation really has nothing to do with gays as they are two different things, right?

And how are they not that different?

I "think" is not a valid argument.

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] There's a big difference between pedophiles and homosexuals. For starters homosexuals are not hurting anyone by being homosexual, pedophiles, on the other hand, are.GabuEx

Well they are and it's pretty easy to prove it.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] They would argue that they are not.Mephers

Well they are and it's pretty easy to prove it.

Minors cannot legally consent.

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So again, what point are you trying to make with those two examples? I mean, you do realize that there is a difference between two adults in a consentual homosexual relationship and pedophilia, right? You do realize that many pedophiles that prey on boys are not neccesarily homosexual, right? You do realize that people pushing for peophilia to be a sexual orientation really has nothing to do with gays as they are two different things, right?

GreySeal9

And how are they not that different?

I "think" is not a valid argument.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] They would argue that they are not.Mephers

Well they are and it's pretty easy to prove it.

Why do we need to concern ourselves with them? They're not the ones who determine policy.

Every relevant medical association has confirmed that there is nothing damaging either to oneself or to others in homosexuality. None have done so for pedophilia, on account of the fact that the same is not true of it. You seem to be acting as though pedophiles saying that pedophilia is fine means that it is and that we should treat it the same as homosexuality. To say that this makes no sense is charitable.

so people walk into this thread, don't offer anything constructive, and turn it into a thread about the merits of pedophilia instead

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] I dont think they are that different.Mephers

And how are they not that different?

I "think" is not a valid argument.

Nothing you said makes them inherently similar.

First of all, what the world thinks about each doesn't speak to either of their inherent attributes.

So what is there can be homosexual acts toward minors? The fact that there are heterosexual acts as welland that some male pedophiles that prey on boys can be straight totally nullifies that. After all, homosexuality is inherently only same gender. It can't be both. The fact that there can be both heterosexual and homosexual acts concerning pedophiliapretty much highlights a difference.

Hidden in shame? By some people, yes. By some people, no. Homosexuality is becomingmore and more accepted.Pedophilia is not.

Your reasonsbarely even qualify as reasons.

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Well they are and it's pretty easy to prove it.

GreySeal9

Minors cannot legally consent.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] Good luck telling them that, As long as its "consenting" then alls wellwhipassmt

Minors cannot legally consent.

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Minors cannot legally consent.

GreySeal9

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] Good luck telling them that, As long as its "consenting" then alls wellwhipassmt

Minors cannot legally consent.

And they won't. Case closed.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] But NAMBLA wants to change that.

whipassmt

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

Again, so what? The fact that some groups are trying to change that a) doesn't change the fact that minors can't consent b) doesn't speak to the issue of gay marriage or gay adoption.

So what's your point?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Minors cannot legally consent.

GabuEx

And they won't. Case closed.

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Minors cannot legally consent.

GabuEx

And they won't. Case closed.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Minors cannot legally consent.

GreySeal9

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] But NAMBLA wants to change that.

Mephers

And they won't. Case closed.

Again.

Every medical association has affirmed after studying the matter that there is nothing harmful to anyone in homosexuality. Because there isn't.

They have not done the same for pedophilia. Because there is.

You have consistently ignored this fact in lieu of baseless assertions and "what if" fearmongering.

so people walk into this thread, don't offer anything constructive, and turn it into a thread about the merits of pedophilia instead

Firebird-5

Pardon? :lol:

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] But NAMBLA wants to change that.

Mephers

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

And just because some group wants to change that doesn't change the fact that minors can't consent.

So again, what is the point that you guys are trying to make?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] But NAMBLA wants to change that.

Mephers

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

[QUOTE="Mephers"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

Ring_of_fire

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Mephers"] You said minors cant consent...Thats what it has to do with.Mephers

[QUOTE="Mephers"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] And they won't succeed, at all. It also has nothing to do with homosexuality, or gay marriage. It's offensive to even suggest the notion that they are equalRing_of_fire

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] But NAMBLA wants to change that.

whipassmt

And they won't. Case closed.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"]

What pedos and homos?

Mephers

Here's the condensed version for you:

Pedophiles are attracted to minors. Minors can't (And NEVER will) give consent, regardless of what the fringe groups try to do.

Homosexuality is between two consenting adults of the same sex, and acceptance has grown, and will continue to grow in the future.

There are no similarities between the two, besides attraction, which you can also link heterosexuality to.

I said before, comparing the two to be anything near equal is offensive.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"]

What pedos and homos?

Mephers

Then how come you didn't respond to this post in which I showed your "similarities" to be rather weak?:

Nothing you said makes them inherently similar.

First of all, what the world thinks about each doesn't speak to either of their inherent attributes.

So what is there can be homosexual acts toward minors? The fact that there are heterosexual acts as welland that some male pedophiles that prey on boys can be straight totally nullifies that. After all, homosexuality is inherently only same gender. It can't be both. The fact that there can be both heterosexual and homosexual acts concerning pedophiliapretty much highlights a difference.

Hidden in shame? By some people, yes. By some people, no. Homosexuality is becomingmore and more accepted.Pedophilia is not.

Your reasonsbarely even qualify as reasons.The Godly Poster Named GreySeal9

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

And they won't. Case closed.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="Mephers"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common.

GreySeal9

Then how come you didn't respond to this post in which I showed your "similarities" to be rather weak?:

Nothing you said makes them inherently similar.

First of all, what the world thinks about each doesn't speak to either of their inherent attributes.

So what is there can be homosexual acts toward minors? The fact that there are heterosexual acts as welland that some male pedophiles that prey on boys can be straight totally nullifies that. After all, homosexuality is inherently only same gender. It can't be both. The fact that there can be both heterosexual and homosexual acts concerning pedophiliapretty much highlights a difference.

Hidden in shame? By some people, yes. By some people, no. Homosexuality is becomingmore and more accepted.Pedophilia is not.

Your reasonsbarely even qualify as reasons.The Sad and Lonely Poster Named GreySeal9

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] "and they won't". Can I borrow your crystal ball please, so I too can see the future!

Mephers

Yeah and we once thought women were inferior and shouldn't be allowed to vote and we once thought murderers were bad and we keep thinking that. We learn stuff everyday I guess ;)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Mephers"] You missed alot, we already went over this, yes they do.

Mephers

Then how come you didn't respond to this post in which I showed your "similarities" to be rather weak?:

Nothing you said makes them inherently similar.

First of all, what the world thinks about each doesn't speak to either of their inherent attributes.

So what is there can be homosexual acts toward minors? The fact that there are heterosexual acts as welland that some male pedophiles that prey on boys can be straight totally nullifies that. After all, homosexuality is inherently only same gender. It can't be both. The fact that there can be both heterosexual and homosexual acts concerning pedophiliapretty much highlights a difference.

Hidden in shame? By some people, yes. By some people, no. Homosexuality is becomingmore and more accepted.Pedophilia is not.

Your reasonsbarely even qualify as reasons.The Sad and Lonely Poster Named GreySeal9

People are actually comparing homosexuality to pedophilia? Yikes...

I already answered you, not my fault if you didnt agree or like what I said.Mephers

You have consistently ignored every single point everyone has made and continue to simply repeat the same thing regardless of anything anyone else has said. As you are clearly not interested in actual conversation, I think it's about time to bring this to a close.