Majority of Americans Support G@y Marriage AND Adoption by G@y Couples

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]Do you know anyone with homosexual parents? If you do, they'll tell you that their life isn't exactly great. It's already tough being adopted, add in gay parents and you have one really stressful life.scorch-62

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]Do you know anyone with homosexual parents? If you do, they'll tell you that their life isn't exactly great. It's already tough being adopted, add in gay parents and you have one really stressful life.scorch-62

http://www.reallife.com

Check it out.

Seriously though, why are you asking for links? Just talk to someone with homosexual parents. They'd have to live in the most saintly town to have never got any ridicule over their parents.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]Do you know anyone with homosexual parents? If you do, they'll tell you that their life isn't exactly great. It's already tough being adopted, add in gay parents and you have one really stressful life.ROFLCOPTER603

http://www.reallife.com

Check it out.

Seriously though, why are you asking for links? Just talk to someone with homosexual parents. They'd have to live in the most saintly town to have never got any ridicule over their parents.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] No; simply that they allow those who are against it greater leverage.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I'm pretty sure its because they can have kids, thus uniting their bloodDivergeUnify

:lol: Here comes the eyerolling to belittle every contribution someone brings to the discussion thats not explicitely 100% pro-gay

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] I've never heard of such a claim. Please explain yourself, preferably with links to relevant research.Theokhoth

http://www.reallife.com

Check it out.

Seriously though, why are you asking for links? Just talk to someone with homosexual parents. They'd have to live in the most saintly town to have never got any ridicule over their parents.

I only know two people with homosexual parents, and both of them are made fun of. Maybe my town just sucks.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] I've never heard of such a claim. Please explain yourself, preferably with links to relevant research.Theokhoth

http://www.reallife.com

Check it out.

Seriously though, why are you asking for links? Just talk to someone with homosexual parents. They'd have to live in the most saintly town to have never got any ridicule over their parents.

Today's development on the defense of DOMA seemed relevant to this conversation.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Not all married couples have kids. :roll:

:lol: Here comes the eyerolling to belittle every contribution someone brings to the discussion thats not explicitely 100% pro-gay

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

http://www.reallife.com

Check it out.

Seriously though, why are you asking for links? Just talk to someone with homosexual parents. They'd have to live in the most saintly town to have never got any ridicule over their parents.

ROFLCOPTER603

I only know two people with homosexual parents, and both of them are made fun of. Maybe my town just sucks.

Why does everyone like gay people and now they are being allowed to marry and adopt? I hate how this is even a political issue but people flip if i wanna smoke weed for recreational purposes

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Every national telephone poll uses randomly selected telephone numbers from anywhere in the nation in order to get a representative sampling. They don't say as much because that's basically implied; the whole point of a (honest) poll is to get a representative sampling.

Espada12

Yeah I know, it's just the accuracy of these polls has been known to be off. You poll and find out 51% of Americans want it, then when it comes up for vote it fails by 6-10%. of the required votes needed.

Why does everyone like gay people and now they are being allowed to marry and adopt? I hate how this is even a political issue but people flip if i wanna smoke weed for recreational purposes

playmynutz

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Everyone from the APA to to people who actually have these parents says you're wrong. You're wrong. Whatever ridicule they may get, it isn't life-ending like you seem to think it is. You sound like the fear-mongers who said repealing DADT would result in mass gay lynchings in the military.Ring_of_fire

I only know two people with homosexual parents, and both of them are made fun of. Maybe my town just sucks.

The first step is to allow gay marriage-which I'm all for. Then, afterwards we can allow adoption. But right now it just doesn't work.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] "Because they CAN have kids" Most married couples have kids I would assume

:lol: Here comes the eyerolling to belittle every contribution someone brings to the discussion thats not explicitely 100% pro-gay

DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] The federal government stopped enforcing DOMA in court recently, but before then, potentially. Theokhoth

Actually, it was the Supreme Court that did that:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia.

DOMA prevents gay couples from recieving federal benefits as straight couples. In fact, it gives states the option to not recognize OTHER STATES gay marriage laws. So DOMA itself proves my point.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

I only know two people with homosexual parents, and both of them are made fun of. Maybe my town just sucks.

ROFLCOPTER603

The first step is to allow gay marriage-which I'm all for. Then, afterwards we can allow adoption. But right now it just doesn't work.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

OK, there's a nationwide poll showing 52% support of gay marriage... where's the nationwide vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

Espada12

No I said when it comes up time to vote on it the votes always fall short.

Unless this is a nationwide vote we'te talking about, I'm not sure how you're not comparing apples to oranges.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2003....surprised the GOP didn't challenge it for 5-6 years. Speaking of which, where in the constitution does it give the feds to define marriage? State laws on marriage are constitutional. DOMA isn't.DroidPhysX

Actually, it was the Supreme Court that did that:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia.

DOMA prevents gay couples from recieving federal benefits as straight couples. In fact, it gives states the option to not recognize OTHER STATES gay marriage laws. So DOMA itself proves my point.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Friends of mine, who are married and straight, can't have kids. She's infertile. Is their marriage any less valid?Theokhoth

:lol: :lol: The bold oh my god! Thats exactly what I'm saying thanks for simplifying it

Parents united in bloody by their children= EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH IS RELATED :lol:

But you said man and woman, instead of everybody, so I'm going to assume you're excluding gays here? Are you saying they're not worthy of blood relation? :|

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Nope, because marriage-capacity isn't decided on an individual basis, its based on having a male and a female for the most part, and what can they do that a male/male female/female can't in a marriage? Reproduce I'm for gay marriage anyways, I don't see why you guys are getting all up and arms about facts. Thats cool that you can pick out a fertility example, but for the most part men and women can reproduce together. Nothing to debate here DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Men and women don't need to be married to reproduce. By your logic, all men and all women are related--because they have the potential to have kids. Actually, scratch that; you're not using logic.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] The feds grant rights to marriages. Ergo, the feds are involved with marriage. The feds outlaw any state from banning interracial marriages as well. I really can't make it simpler than that. The feds can and do get involved with marriage. A lot.Theokhoth

Actually, it was the Supreme Court that did that:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia.

DOMA prevents gay couples from recieving federal benefits as straight couples. In fact, it gives states the option to not recognize OTHER STATES gay marriage laws. So DOMA itself proves my point.

You just said the feds OUTLAW any state from banning interracial marriages. I.E. you said that they made a law banning it. keyword: "Outlaw". And as you said, the Supreme Court does not make laws. That's a contradiction on your part. Secondly, my point was about whether the feds can regulate marriage in the states. :?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] But they get benefits if they DO get married DUR DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] But they get benefits if they DO get married DUR DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yes, so it's their marriage, and not their capacity to have children, that determines their benefits. See how that works? ;)mattbbpl

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

OK, there's a nationwide poll showing 52% support of gay marriage... where's the nationwide vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

GabuEx

No I said when it comes up time to vote on it the votes always fall short.

Unless this is a nationwide vote we'te talking about, I'm not sure how you're not comparing apples to oranges.

True but still I mean if you make a blanket statement like 51% in support of and everytime it comes up for vote it gets struck down then you must call into question the accuracy of these polls.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yes, so it's their marriage, and not their capacity to have children, that determines their benefits. See how that works? ;)Theokhoth

You explicitly stated that you supported the genocide of gays in Uganda. Don't even try to lie about that.scorch-62

Nope you said I did until I gave up arguing with you and told you what you wanted to hear. I know you mashed that report button really hard when you saw it to!

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] If you want to deny that part of the reason marriage benefits exist is to help married couples raise kids, thats your right. In the end you're still in denial

DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Actually, it was the Supreme Court that did that:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia.

DOMA prevents gay couples from recieving federal benefits as straight couples. In fact, it gives states the option to not recognize OTHER STATES gay marriage laws. So DOMA itself proves my point.

DroidPhysX

You just said the feds OUTLAW any state from banning interracial marriages. I.E. you said that they made a law banning it. keyword: "Outlaw". And as you said, the Supreme Court does not make laws. That's a contradiction on your part. Secondly, my point was about whether the feds can regulate marriage in the states. :?

relevant to this argument- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liq_wYFkMoU

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]

You explicitly stated that you supported the genocide of gays in Uganda. Don't even try to lie about that.Espada12

Nope you said I did until I gave up arguing with you and told you what you wanted to hear. I know you mashed that report button really hard when you saw it to!

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

No I said when it comes up time to vote on it the votes always fall short.

Espada12

Unless this is a nationwide vote we'te talking about, I'm not sure how you're not comparing apples to oranges.

True but still I mean if you make a blanket statement like 51% in support of and everytime it comes up for vote it gets struck down then you must call into question the accuracy of these polls.

Um, no, no you don't.

That's like saying that because the people in Kansas keep voting Republican we must call the accuracy of the 2008 election results into question.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] The Supreme Court does not make laws; it only interprets them. And the Supreme Court is a federal court, so your point is moot here. Yes, but without DOMA, the federal government still involves itself with marriage in the granting of federal marriage rights. It has ALWAYS done this, DOMA or no. Theokhoth

You just said the feds OUTLAW any state from banning interracial marriages. I.E. you said that they made a law banning it. keyword: "Outlaw". And as you said, the Supreme Court does not make laws. That's a contradiction on your part. Secondly, my point was about whether the feds can regulate marriage in the states. :?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] If you want to deny that part of the reason marriage benefits exist is to help married couples raise kids, thats your right. In the end you're still in denial

DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You just said the feds OUTLAW any state from banning interracial marriages. I.E. you said that they made a law banning it. keyword: "Outlaw". And as you said, the Supreme Court does not make laws. That's a contradiction on your part. Secondly, my point was about whether the feds can regulate marriage in the states. :?

DroidPhysX

I'm sure he was just dying to hear "I support the genocide of homosexuals."Theokhoth

Yes he was, because he obviously had his mind set on that since he understood exactly what I was saying.

Secondly, my point was about whether the feds can regulate marriage in the states. :?

DroidPhysX

Well if they can, that means they can force you to get married! :o

Um, no, no you don't.

That's like saying that because the people in Kansas keep voting Republican we must call the accuracy of the 2008 election results into question.

GabuEx

Which is why I said in the first place polls like these mean nothing.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Um, no, no you don't.

That's like saying that because the people in Kansas keep voting Republican we must call the accuracy of the 2008 election results into question.

Espada12

Which is why I said in the first place polls like these mean nothing.

They mean that a majority support same-sex marriage in America today, but yes, other than what they mean, they mean nothing. :P

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

OK, there's a nationwide poll showing 52% support of gay marriage... where's the nationwide vote in which it lost by 6-10%?

Espada12

No I said when it comes up time to vote on it the votes always fall short.

NopeEspada12

As morbid as it sounds, the only thing that's holding back the full legalization of gay marriage in America at this point is old people not dying. :P

GabuEx

This is the cause of a LOT of problems. :P

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Nopescorch-62

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Espada12"]Nopealexside1