[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]and the guy who did the school shooting was an athiest. I don't think it says to kill an apostate or go on a shooting rampage in the atheist bible . your point? go on.....[QUOTE="ultrapc"] They are actually . ultrapc
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]and the guy who did the school shooting was an athiest. I don't think it says to kill an apostate or go on a shooting rampage in the atheist bible . your point? go on.....[QUOTE="ultrapc"] They are actually . ultrapc
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]your point? go on..... You really don't see my point ? no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point....[QUOTE="ultrapc"] I don't think it says to kill an apostate or go on a shooting rampage in the atheist bible . ultrapc
You really don't see my point ? no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point.... there is no point islam is evil and Christianity is a beacon of light. that's what hes getting at.[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] your point? go on.....
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point.... there is no point islam is evil and Christianity is a beacon of light. that's what hes getting at.[QUOTE="ultrapc"] You really don't see my point ? Allthishate
[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] But ... it is a law to kill apostates in Islam , and going by their logic , they though he was one so therefor killed him . they are Muslims :) ultrapcna sorry. its called being ignorant. so i guess all Christians are murderers and racist good to know. Who said anything about Christians ? And how is that ignorance ? I just explained to you why they killed him according to Islamic law , you still call that ignorance ? what law, show me.
You really don't see my point ? no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point.... My point , no one said he's an atheist, and even if he was ,It's not like we have a set of rules to live by or a book to follow , he only represented him self . As for those guys , they were following clear text , the guy was a Muslim and by violating the book , he left Islam , this = apostasy = death in Islam . Meaning this should be the punishment for all apostates . Clear now ? :)[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] your point? go on.....
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point.... My point , no one said he's an atheist, and even if he was ,It's not like we have a set of rules to live by or a book to follow , he only represented him self . As for those guys , they were following clear text , the guy was a Muslim and by violating the book , he left Islam , this = apostasy = death in Islam . Meaning this should be the punishment for all apostates . Clear now ? :) sorry which surah of the Quran did you get all that from i'm quite lost, bless me with your vast knowledge :)[QUOTE="ultrapc"] You really don't see my point ? ultrapc
Who said anything about Christians ? And how is that ignorance ? I just explained to you why they killed him according to Islamic law , you still call that ignorance ? what law, show me. its called the daily mail or some right wing website ''translation"' law ofc. again with this execution thing ye saudi kill people but so do we in the states lol.[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] na sorry. its called being ignorant. so i guess all Christians are murderers and racist good to know.GrayF0X786
My point , no one said he's an atheist, and even if he was ,It's not like we have a set of rules to live by or a book to follow , he only represented him self . As for those guys , they were following clear text , the guy was a Muslim and by violating the book , he left Islam , this = apostasy = death in Islam . Meaning this should be the punishment for all apostates . Clear now ? :) sorry which surah of the Quran did you get all that from i'm quite lost, bless me with your vast knowledge :) ' www.illbeliveanythingireadontheinternet.com[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point....
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Who said anything about Christians ? And how is that ignorance ? I just explained to you why they killed him according to Islamic law , you still call that ignorance ? what law, show me. " Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community." There are many more but i am way too lazy to teach you your religion .[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] na sorry. its called being ignorant. so i guess all Christians are murderers and racist good to know.GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]what law, show me. " Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community." There are many more but i am way too lazy to teach you your religion . which Surah is the that from? The Sun? or the Daily mail??[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Who said anything about Christians ? And how is that ignorance ? I just explained to you why they killed him according to Islamic law , you still call that ignorance ? ultrapc
My point , no one said he's an atheist, and even if he was ,It's not like we have a set of rules to live by or a book to follow , he only represented him self . As for those guys , they were following clear text , the guy was a Muslim and by violating the book , he left Islam , this = apostasy = death in Islam . Meaning this should be the punishment for all apostates . Clear now ? :) sorry which surah of the Quran did you get all that from i'm quite lost, bless me with your vast knowledge :) this is your quran : They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] no, please teach me some of my islam, im waiting, what is your point....
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]sorry which surah of the Quran did you get all that from i'm quite lost, bless me with your vast knowledge :) ' www.illbeliveanythingireadontheinternet.com lool[QUOTE="ultrapc"] My point , no one said he's an atheist, and even if he was ,It's not like we have a set of rules to live by or a book to follow , he only represented him self . As for those guys , they were following clear text , the guy was a Muslim and by violating the book , he left Islam , this = apostasy = death in Islam . Meaning this should be the punishment for all apostates . Clear now ? :) Allthishate
" Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community." There are many more but i am way too lazy to teach you your religion . which Surah is the that from? The Sun? or the Daily mail?? there are so many other texts , not really bothered to look for them .[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] what law, show me.
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]which Surah is the that from? The Sun? or the Daily mail?? there are so many other texts , not really bothered to look for them . haha :lol: "Islam was the fault" - "can't be bothered to find evidence"[QUOTE="ultrapc"] " Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community." There are many more but i am way too lazy to teach you your religion . ultrapc
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]which Surah is the that from? The Sun? or the Daily mail?? there are so many other texts , not really bothered to look for them . sure buddy that was taken from a right wing website or miss quoted again or just talking out of your ass.[QUOTE="ultrapc"] " Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community." There are many more but i am way too lazy to teach you your religion . ultrapc
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]what law, show me. its called the daily mail or some right wing website ''translation"' law ofc. again with this execution thing ye saudi kill people but so do we in the states lol. So it's not in the sharia law to kill apostates and homosexuals and married adulterers ? or is it not in the sharia to cut off the hands of thieves ? please tell me the evil west made that up to make your happy religion seem all violent .[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Who said anything about Christians ? And how is that ignorance ? I just explained to you why they killed him according to Islamic law , you still call that ignorance ? Allthishate
[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] which Surah is the that from? The Sun? or the Daily mail??there are so many other texts , not really bothered to look for them . sure buddy that was taken from a right wing website or miss quoted again or just talking out of your ass. or from the back of his morning cereal box.Allthishate
there are so many other texts , not really bothered to look for them . haha :lol: "Islam was the fault" - "can't be bothered to find evidence" the hell ? i just provided you with 2 up there , one Hadith and one Surat , need more ? i said i'm not bothered to look for more .[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] which Surah is the that from? The Sun? or the Daily mail??
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sure buddy that was taken from a right wing website or miss quoted again or just talking out of your ass. or from the back of his morning cereal box. Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about .[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] there are so many other texts , not really bothered to look for them . GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] what law, show me.its called the daily mail or some right wing website ''translation"' law ofc. again with this execution thing ye saudi kill people but so do we in the states lol. So it's not in the sharia law to kill apostates and homosexuals and married adulterers ? or is it not in the sharia to cut off the hands of thieves ? please tell me the evil west made that up to make your happy religion seem all violent . thiefs, gays and adulterers are your problem now?ultrapc
[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] no they did not kill him according to Islamic law. Pakistanis are crazy zelots that take religion to the extreme. and do anything they want and use religion as justification(they skew words and twist to get there way). simple really again like the justification of enslaving black people and lynching them was a divine right ( they used religion to justify there actions).AllthishateNope , they actually apply sharia law , Which is extreme to begin with. bla bla bla. Again you have no @%@^ clue what your talking about. Sharia law is everything not just punishments and you dont get fuking killed if u tear the koran up publicly u might get thrown in jail but that's it. AGAIN Pakistanis are religious zelots that do anything they want and then when called out on it they use religion as justification. move on troll. getting sick of this misinformation your spewing out. lets ignore him, hes obviously speaking out of his a$$.
bla bla bla. Again you have no @%@^ clue what your talking about. Sharia law is everything not just punishments and you dont get fuking killed if u tear the koran up publicly u might get thrown in jail but that's it. AGAIN Pakistanis are religious zelots that do anything they want and then when called out on it they use religion as justification. move on troll. getting sick of this misinformation your spewing out. lets ignore him, hes obviously speaking out of his a$$. oh wow , can't defend your own quran,eh ?[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] Nope , they actually apply sharia law , Which is extreme to begin with.GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]or from the back of his morning cereal box. Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about . still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate.[QUOTE="Allthishate"] sure buddy that was taken from a right wing website or miss quoted again or just talking out of your ass. ultrapc
So it's not in the sharia law to kill apostates and homosexuals and married adulterers ? or is it not in the sharia to cut off the hands of thieves ? please tell me the evil west made that up to make your happy religion seem all violent . thiefs, gays and adulterers are your problem now? they were part of the hadith , it also includes apostates , which the man this topic is about was .[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] its called the daily mail or some right wing website ''translation"' law ofc. again with this execution thing ye saudi kill people but so do we in the states lol.GrayF0X786
So it's not in the sharia law to kill apostates and homosexuals and married adulterers ? or is it not in the sharia to cut off the hands of thieves ? please tell me the evil west made that up to make your happy religion seem all violent . thiefs, gays and adulterers are your problem now? na he forgets that we still kill people for murder . and this **** about hands getting cut off are extreme cases that dont happen often.[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] its called the daily mail or some right wing website ''translation"' law ofc. again with this execution thing ye saudi kill people but so do we in the states lol.GrayF0X786
Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about . still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate. cereal boxes dont have an index system ;<[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] or from the back of his morning cereal box.
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate. cereal boxes dont have an index system ;< but they have those big pictures which a text box, easy for 3 year olds to spot, i'm sure its not too hard for him.[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about . Allthishate
Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about . still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate. I can actually: Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 and the hadith is Sahih al-Bukhari collection(4152) same ones i referenced .[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] or from the back of his morning cereal box.
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate. cereal boxes dont have an index system ;< We can't defend so lets make fun , great logic .[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about . Allthishate
[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate.ultrapccereal boxes dont have an index system ;< We can't defend so lets make fun , great logic . Well i cant help it when u spew absolute @%@% u get off right wing or the daily fail. not to mention trying to teach us our own religion which is comical to say the least .
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate. I can actually: Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 and the hadith is Sahih al-Bukhari collection(4152) same ones i referenced . thanks it only took you 2 pages through but well done, you quoted 4:89 of the Qu'ran[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Or from your quran which you seem to know nothing about . ultrapc
"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
when Muhammad was being terrorised by the Makkans, he was being forced to disbelieve in the 1 God, they wanted him to stop, so God told him to not take them as allies unless they join him, he was given persmission to fight back after years of hiding, so like i said....what is your point?
I can actually: Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 and the hadith is Sahih al-Bukhari collection(4152) same ones i referenced . thanks it only took you 2 pages through but well done, you quoted 4:89 of the Qu'ran[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate.
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"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
when Muhammad was being terrorised by the Makkans, he was being forced to disbelieve in the 1 God, they wanted him to stop, so God told him to not take them as allies unless they join him, he was given persmission to fight back after years of hiding, so like i said....what is your point?
Check post above this one .I can actually: Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 and the hadith is Sahih al-Bukhari collection(4152) same ones i referenced . thanks it only took you 2 pages through but well done, you quoted 4:89 of the Qu'ran[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] still can't give me the surah or ayat number :lol: thanks for the afternoon chuckles mate.
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"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
when Muhammad was being terrorised by the Makkans, he was being forced to disbelieve in the 1 God, they wanted him to stop, so God told him to not take them as allies unless they join him, he was given persmission to fight back after years of hiding, so like i said....what is your point?
Lal also people forget that the quaran is a story aswell and there's context to the words and usually a story behind it like what grey fox said :).Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"
daily mail , right ?
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]thanks it only took you 2 pages through but well done, you quoted 4:89 of the Qu'ran[QUOTE="ultrapc"] I can actually: Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 and the hadith is Sahih al-Bukhari collection(4152) same ones i referenced . ultrapc
"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
when Muhammad was being terrorised by the Makkans, he was being forced to disbelieve in the 1 God, they wanted him to stop, so God told him to not take them as allies unless they join him, he was given persmission to fight back after years of hiding, so like i said....what is your point?
Check post above this one . no, we can go through this one at a time, your brain cannot hold too much information, you may just forget this all over night only to then post your sh!t the following day, tell me, what is your point?[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] want a better proof then ? fine : If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260 tell me this is made up too The ruling on the apostate is for him to seek forgiveness within three days, and if not he is killed, according to the saying of the Prophet (peace be upon him): "The blood of a Muslim man is not permissible except under one of three conditions: 1) he commits adultery, 2) he takes an innocent life, or 3) he abandons his religion and separates himself from the community" (narrated by al-Bukhari and Muslim from Ibn Mas'ud).ultrapcAgain context of the times the only places where tehy actaully get killed if leaving the religion would be in the improvrished ignorant Pakistan. people comit adultery all the time and they haven't been killed. taking life (like how we do it in the states depending on the severity they will be put to death and sometimes left in jail for life). again move along troll So those hadiths are not proof enough that apostates are to be killed ? i just put up like 5 hadiths up there . why did you jump from the Qu'ran to the hadiths? LOL
Check post above this one . no, we can go through this one at a time, your brain cannot hold too much information, you may just forget this all over night only to then post your sh!t the following day, tell me, what is your point? I already got a translation for that text , why re translate it ? Here it is again "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] thanks it only took you 2 pages through but well done, you quoted 4:89 of the Qu'ran
"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
when Muhammad was being terrorised by the Makkans, he was being forced to disbelieve in the 1 God, they wanted him to stop, so God told him to not take them as allies unless they join him, he was given persmission to fight back after years of hiding, so like i said....what is your point?
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lets try not to twist meanings , shall we ? :)
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