Man burned alive for desecrating the Koran....

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[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Check post above this one . ultrapc

lets try not to twist meanings , shall we ? :)

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Check post above this one . ultrapc

lets try not to twist meanings , shall we ? :)

[QUOTE="ultrapc"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] no, we can go through this one at a time, your brain cannot hold too much information, you may just forget this all over night only to then post your sh!t the following day, tell me, what is your point?

Allthishate

lets try not to twist meanings , shall we ? :)

[QUOTE="ultrapc"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] no, we can go through this one at a time, your brain cannot hold too much information, you may just forget this all over night only to then post your sh!t the following day, tell me, what is your point?

GrayF0X786

lets try not to twist meanings , shall we ? :)

[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] I already got a translation for that text , why re translate it ? Here it is again "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.

lets try not to twist meanings , shall we ? :)

ultrapc

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] says the person twisting the information ugh the hypocracy lol GrayF0X786

this is to answer your question about the sorah.

The thing is that the ahadith(the sunnah) are the explanations for our actions. Like how to pray, how many rak'at etc.
So these narrations that you posted up are in accordance to the law of Allah, they are sahih and they have been agreed upon by the ulama in the action there in(kiilling the one who exits the religion), as it was the practice of the Prophet Muhammadand the khulufa arashedeen.
Aside from that some verse that point to the fact that murtad has done something great and is deserving of a punishment that I found in some of the books of fiqh are verses 38-39 of surah anfal..
Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="ultrapc"] what hypocrisy ? omg the text clearly states what I'm saying . I know this maybe much for you guys , go through the soras/hadiths in the previous page and read them slowly , word by word . :) ultrapc

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] Sorahs/hadiths? from which cereal box did you read that both the Quran and Hadith come straight from God?

GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="ultrapc"] where do they come from ? Quran by god , hadith from prophet ? is there more to it than i know ? :O ultrapc

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] the hadith did not come from the prophet:|

GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="ultrapc"] where do they come from ? Quran by god , hadith from prophet ? is there more to it than i know ? :O ultrapc

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] the hadith did not come from the prophet:|DrTrafalgarLaw

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[QUOTE="ultrapc"] OMG then who ? :O , i thought hadith meant his saying :O ultrapc

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] OMG then who ? :O , i thought hadith meant his saying :O ultrapc

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] they are not DIRECT sayings of the prophet, ever heard of chinese whispers? its like Rebecca said that Adam said that Bob said so and so, the Hadith can never fully be matched side by side to the Quran, one of the beauty of islam is that it has stood the test of time, the Qu'ran has not been changed even by a singe word or letter, even the mathematical symmetry is still present, the Qu'ran is against killing of the innocent, going as far as saying if you take the life of an innocent, you have taken the life of all of humanity, the hadiths mentioning killing those who leave islam is no shock, at the time of the prophet, violence was rampant, do you know anything about how the situation was in Arabia? not to mention it was sandwiched between Rome and Persia, tell me, how does one leave islam? and how will the people around him know? there is a gamespot memeber here called Ghokle, if he went Saudi Arabia right now would he be killed? he obviously has to do something outright stupid in order for that to happen, you are taking hadith, and useing your own agenda to suit it to your needs.

GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="ultrapc"] Hadith is the prophets saying inspired by god , the purpose is to explain religion/quran texts to people . And yes , apostasy laws and others are still being applied in the Islamic world that follows sharia law , you said it your self , it stood the test of time , meaning these laws are still in effect to this day . so yes that guy would get killed if he denounced his faith publicly , how do i know ? I'm an ex-Muslim . However , lets not get into too much detail here , The text is clearly in favor of killing apostates , the guy in the topic clearly was one so they followed gods orders and killed him . Clear now ? My point , don't act surprised when your people do such things , it's in their texts to do so . ultrapc

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment. (Abu Dawud) Basically, Allah/God is forgiving and you should not do non-believers any rong. You cannot force anyone into Islam, as numerously stated in the Koran. If God anted everyone to be a muslim, he could have compelled everyone into believing and there ould not have been a need for a messenger. Instead, it's a test hether to see ho believes and ho not.GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="ultrapc"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] INTRESTING! another Ex Muslim in gamespot.com :lol:still its pretty funny how you islam haters try to find even the smallest thing and magnify it, firstly, Muhammad did NOT write the hadith nor aprove it, it is what his followers heard him say, see how he acted and etc, but chief amongst these will ALWAYS be the Qu'ran, the whole reason of killing those who leave the faith is so they don't spread corruption and kill the Muslims, because at that time, thats what the apostates were doing, and please, don't go around telling others and myself that you were once a Muslim, its getting boring.

GrayF0X786

what can i say, teh world is messed up,

Religion of Reese's Pieces

I remember reading a while ago they caught an Imam for desecrating a Quran but what he had done was desecrated it and tried using the desecrated Quran as evidence against another, that 11 year old Christian girl with Down Syndrome, he just wanted Christian out of the area and he tried doing this to stir up people just too get his way. I think it'd be very easy to do this just to blame someone else. In this case we have a "traveler" and they must not have liked him so I can easily see the motive of someone else desecrating a Quran to try blaming it on him... maybe they should just have a law in these countries like you're responsible for your Quran and all Qurans must be registered with the local theocrats with a make model year and serial number, if someone else desecrates it and they find it then its your fault and you're just as culpable, if that were to happen I don't think anybody would be getting pinched for this crap again.lamprey263

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ultrapc"] As long as religions exist intolerance will exist , there will always be extremists in every religion . As for hate , it will always be there as it's a basic human emotion . br0kenrabbit

Are you seriously suggesting religion itself is tolerant? Is that why being gay will still get you hanged in many religiously-affiliated countries? Hell, even here in the 'Land of the Free' the religious are throwing a fit over the free exercise of will.

Religions across the world are some of the most intolerant things we have, and I place apologetics like LJ in there with them because they allow their own kind to get away with it and go "oh just tolerate everyone." Sorry, they had their chance for thousands of years

Religions across the world are some of the most intolerant things we have, and I place apologetics like LJ in there with them because they allow their own kind to get away with it and go "oh just tolerate everyone." Sorry, they had their chance for thousands of years

wis3boi

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

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An example of the intolerance you were just whiningabout . In any cast , This topic was spicific , the topic was about a man being burned for "allegedly" tearing pages out of a book , people here criticizedthese actions . would you have them criticizejews about this case so it wouldn't be so "intolerant" .It's a topic showing how intolerant muslims can be , of course people are gonna critisizeIslam.

Allthishate

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Religions across the world are some of the most intolerant things we have, and I place apologetics like LJ in there with them because they allow their own kind to get away with it and go "oh just tolerate everyone." Sorry, they had their chance for thousands of years

br0kenrabbit

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

What a waste of natural resources.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Religions across the world are some of the most intolerant things we have, and I place apologetics like LJ in there with them because they allow their own kind to get away with it and go "oh just tolerate everyone." Sorry, they had their chance for thousands of years

LJS9502_basic

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

And I have made NO comment on that subject because by the time I joined the discussion, the topic had rolled around to something else entirely. Conversation ebbs and flows, you know.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

br0kenrabbit

And I have made NO comment on that subject because by the time I joined the discussion, the topic had rolled around to something else entirely. Conversation ebbs and flows, you know.

Well he is king of the strawman

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

br0kenrabbit

And I have made NO comment on that subject because by the time I joined the discussion, the topic had rolled around to something else entirely. Conversation ebbs and flows, you know.

Those guys should be burnt for murder

wis3boi

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]kingkong0124

On the internet you can be anybody...and you chose to have the IQ of a potato.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And in this thread we have some topic about a group that burned a man alive as vigilantes. I don't think you understand the difference....or don't want to understand...between an organization sanctioned punishment and vigilantes. Which have as yet NOT come forward with their reasons. But then it's easier to assume than use some critical thinking as to why something happened so I'll leave you to your cocoon of ignorance.LJS9502_basic

And I have made NO comment on that subject because by the time I joined the discussion, the topic had rolled around to something else entirely. Conversation ebbs and flows, you know.

I suggest you go up and re-read where I entered the thread. You're obviously very confused. Or stupid.

Or both.

Probably both.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I suggest you go up and re-read where I entered the thread. You're obviously very confused. Or stupid.

Or both.

Probably both.br0kenrabbit

[QUOTE="ultrapc"] As long as religions exist intolerance will exist , there will always be extremists in every religion . As for hate , it will always be there as it's a basic human emotion . LJS9502_basic

Are you seriously suggesting religion itself is tolerant? Is that why being gay will still get you hanged in many religiously-affiliated countries? Hell, even here in the 'Land of the Free' the religious are throwing a fit over the free exercise of will.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]Wrong. Most of the intolerance I see in this thread is from the non religious. If you're going to justify hate then stop whining when hate leads to actions such as this. LJS9502_basic

Are you seriously suggesting religion itself is tolerant? Is that why being gay will still get you hanged in many religiously-affiliated countries? Hell, even here in the 'Land of the Free' the religious are throwing a fit over the free exercise of will.

Topic of subject being discussed above: intolerance.

Topic of my comment: Intolerance.

English is the language we speak in these parts, boy.

Topic of my comment: Intolerance.

English is the language we speak in these parts, boy.

br0kenrabbit

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]kingkong0124

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Topic of my comment: Intolerance.

English is the language we speak in these parts, boy.

LJS9502_basic

The quote chain was screwed up in your post when I quoted it, I didn't bother to straighten it out and I'm not going to.

Further, please read my "ebb and flow" comment above. When I quoted the conversation it had moved as a subject to general intolerance, as you yourself admit above. If you want people to stay out of your conversation, that's what PMs are for. If you post here, it's open to public comment.

That's why it's called a Public Forum.

Holy $hit.:lol:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Topic of my comment: Intolerance.

English is the language we speak in these parts, boy.

br0kenrabbit

The quote chain was screwed up in your post when I quoted it, I didn't bother to straighten it out and I'm not going to.

Further, please read my "ebb and flow" comment above. When I quoted the conversation it had moved as a subject to general intolerance, as you yourself admit above. If you want people to stay out of your conversation, that's what PMs are for. If you post here, it's open to public comment.

That's why it's called a Public Forum.

Holy $hit.:lol:

Yeah it's a public forum but it sucks when morons like yourself enter a discussion they don't understand.LJS9502_basic

LJ: Urgh....losing argument...emergencies proceedures!1!!!!: resort to quibbling over semanitcs!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah it's a public forum but it sucks when morons like yourself enter a discussion they don't understand.br0kenrabbit

LJ: Urgh....losing argument...emergencies proceedures!1!!!!: resort to quibbling over semanitcs<

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah it's a public forum but it sucks when morons like yourself enter a discussion they don't understand.LJS9502_basic

LJ: Urgh....losing argument...emergencies proceedures!1!!!!: resort to quibbling over semanitcs<

We've been through this, and you've so much as admitted "I'm the one who brought up intolerance". Yes, you brought it up, and I furthered the discussion.

You then turned the conversation to personal attacks and squealing like a baby when you failed to address my final point, which isn't just addressing this conversation but you and your opinions as you have shared in many threads, that point being this:

You fail to differentiate between being intolerant of those who wish to oppress the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of the freedoms of others.

Instead of addressing the issue presented, you throw a fit.

Not that such surprises me, anymore. Religious folk are good at falling into hysterics when confronted with evidence they don't want to acknowledge.

"Evolution? No, I didn't come from monkeys. Maybe you did.":lol:

Sad.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

LJ: Urgh....losing argument...emergencies proceedures!1!!!!: resort to quibbling over semanitcs<br0kenrabbit

We've been through this, and you've so much as admitted "I'm the one who brought up intolerance". Yes, you brought it up, and I furthered the discussion.

You then turned the conversation to personal attacks and squealing like a baby when you failed to address my final point, which isn't just addressing this conversation but you and your opinions as you have shared in many threads, that point being this:

You fail to differentiate between being intolerant of those who wish to oppress the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of the freedoms of others.

Instead of addressing the issue presented, you throw a fit.

Not that such surprises me, anymore. Religious folk are good at falling into hysterics when confronted with evidence they don't want to acknowledge.

"Evolution? No, I didn't come from monkeys. Maybe you did.":lol:

Sad.

No you responded to my comment...when I responded to what you said....you whined that the thread had changed. Which had nothing to do with entering my conversation. And after several posts it's apparent you still don't get that. Which is pretty sad and says much about your intelligence. Lack thereof....

LJS9502_basic

Please pay attention. You and I responded to each other, then wisboi responded and I responded to him...which is the originating comment for our current discussion.

Please re-read the thread if you've already forgotten what happened ONE PAGE AGO.

As you can see, the topic being discussed is INTOLERANCE and YOU.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Religions across the world are some of the most intolerant things we have, and I place apologetics like LJ in there with them because they allow their own kind to get away with it and go "oh just tolerate everyone." Sorry, they had their chance for thousands of years

br0kenrabbit

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Please pay attention. You and I responded to each other, then wisboi responded and I responded to him...which is the originating comment for our current discussion.

Please re-read the thread if you've already forgotten what happened ONE PAGE AGO.

As you can see, the topic being discussed is INTOLERANCE and YOU.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Religions across the world are some of the most intolerant things we have, and I place apologetics like LJ in there with them because they allow their own kind to get away with it and go "oh just tolerate everyone." Sorry, they had their chance for thousands of years

br0kenrabbit

I just don't think LJ understands (or wants to understand) the difference between being intolerant of people restricting the freedoms of others, and being intolerant of others freedoms.

It's a world of difference.

*eating popcorn*