Millennials like socialism — until they get jobs

I believe that's mostly what it is at this point.

Dont you think that the fact that schools get their budgets cut at such an astounding rate, that maybe that has to do with why they underperform? Especially within a system that encourages rote recitation rather than critical thinking skills?

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

I agree, they are absolutely not pure socialist countries, that would be stupid. The system Sanders wants to put in place, is just slightly more socialism, with a couple more government programs in order to keep people from being plunged into bankruptcy. But everything will be largely the same. Capitalism will be stronger under Bernie as well because there will be far more jobs, and higher wages.

Anyone who collects Social Security, Medicare, unemployment benefits, or any other kind of government benefit likes socialism even if they don't like calling it socialism.

exactly lol.

@AlexKidd5000 said:

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

Where's the chart that shows our current annual deficit, the cost of Sanders policy proposals, and what difference this tax bracket would actually make up for. I'll even let you cut military spending to $0 annually. You don't have to balance the budget, you simply have to NOT run an annual deficit. I challenge you.

@AlexKidd5000 said:

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

Step 1: college kids can't get work after school and angerly vote for socialist.

Step 2: Raises taxes on rich.

Step 3: Rich leave country/cut jobs/reduce hiring/ect.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Profit

Not surprising, as from what I understand of the current government budget, we are wasting shitloads of money, it's amazing that Obama was even able to reduce the deficit from $1.4 trillion down to $480 billion.

@still_vicious said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

Step 1: college kids can't get work after school and angerly vote for socialist.

Step 2: Raises taxes on rich.

Step 3: Rich leave country/cut jobs/reduce hiring/ect.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Profit

For number 3, even now they dodge there already rock bottom taxes like fucking crazy, and STILL want to leave the country because "taxes are too high" fucking bullshit if I ever heard it.

@AlexKidd5000 said:

Not surprising, as from what I understand of the current government budget, we are wasting shitloads of money, it's amazing that Obama was even able to reduce the deficit from $1.4 trillion down to $480 billion.

That's a bullshit chart. The deficit =/= national debt. You can decrease the National Debt over 10 years. You can't decrease an annual deficit in over 10 years.

That's about 300 billion in deficit savings leaving us with another 150 billion. That means that over 10 years we STILL increase the National debt by $3 trillion

@Johnny-n-Roger said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

Not surprising, as from what I understand of the current government budget, we are wasting shitloads of money, it's amazing that Obama was even able to reduce the deficit from $1.4 trillion down to $480 billion.

That's a bullshit chart. The deficit =/= national debt. You can decrease the National Debt over 10 years. You can't decrease an annual deficit in over 10 years.

Well we may be fucked in that area.

@AlexKidd5000 said:

@Johnny-n-Roger said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

Not surprising, as from what I understand of the current government budget, we are wasting shitloads of money, it's amazing that Obama was even able to reduce the deficit from $1.4 trillion down to $480 billion.

That's a bullshit chart. The deficit =/= national debt. You can decrease the National Debt over 10 years. You can't decrease an annual deficit in over 10 years.

Well we may be fucked in that area.

In 10 years you've increased the national debt by 1.5 trillion even after all those cuts. Without them, you're talking about 5 trillion until go ape shit in the middle east again.

@AlexKidd5000 said:

@still_vicious said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

Step 1: college kids can't get work after school and angerly vote for socialist.

Step 2: Raises taxes on rich.

Step 3: Rich leave country/cut jobs/reduce hiring/ect.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Profit

For number 3, even now they dodge there already rock bottom taxes like fucking crazy, and STILL want to leave the country because "taxes are too high" fucking bullshit if I ever heard it.

It will only get worse.

The problem is that no politician is addressing the underlying issues here. We have a horribly unregulated banking industry in which 90% of our county's total wealth is actually debt. You know politicians are bought and paid for when such an obvious economic bottleneck is so easily overlooked by both parties.

@still_vicious said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

@still_vicious said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

Step 1: college kids can't get work after school and angerly vote for socialist.

Step 2: Raises taxes on rich.

Step 3: Rich leave country/cut jobs/reduce hiring/ect.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Profit

For number 3, even now they dodge there already rock bottom taxes like fucking crazy, and STILL want to leave the country because "taxes are too high" fucking bullshit if I ever heard it.

It will only get worse.

Based on what I've heard though, Bernie will lower a companies taxes if they keep jobs in the states.

God damn you are so right...they have done so much damage.

Form follows Function. A government doesn't create its society, a society creates its government. We've created a self-serving, single-party government out of complacency for our own welfare.

• The United States National Debt, and annual deficits are reflective of a society that is flooded with debt and fiat currency. We consume finite resources with complete disregard for future consequences. The unregulated banking industry simply supplies the demand of cash.
• The government's seeming lack of fiscal responsibility is reflective of a consumerist society that buys **** they don't need despite having credit card debt and/or high-interest loans.
• American politician's robotic demeanor, oversimplification of economic issues and the extended televised electoral process are reflective of America's distracted obsession with reality TV, social media, and 24 hour news. People believe that politics is beyond their understanding anyway and that they shouldn't worry about it because politicians "know more about politics than I do anyway."
• America's excessive reality-TV culture also allows politicians to fix elections with "super delegates" and "contested conventions", because it's an interesting plot twist and creates the underdog scenario.
• Public schools and teachers unions create educators that see themselves as servants of the government, not servants of the taxpayers. This transcends the youth by subjecting them to a biased common-core educational standard.
• This idea of being servants to the government creates generations of individuals that simply don't see anything being able to exist without an almighty government. This is why Americans feel as if it is a politician's responsibility to create a job for them. A politicians responsibility is to secure the existing jobs. It's the economy's responsibility to create jobs. It's the economy's fault for sucking. Its societies fault for spending money they don't have. The circle of debt continues.
• "Feeling the Bern" is a movement that exists because a huge portion of millennials were issued false promises based on fictitious non-existent demand for secondary education and inflated tuition costs. Their sense of entitlement is based on the 6 figure perfect job that exists in the University Utopia that is a stark contrast to reality.
• The "Make America Great Again" movement existed because people don't have faith in their country any more. They see other countries are developing while our economy consistently declines. Wages are stagnant and transcending poverty is almost impossible. The American Dream has become distant memory.
• The polarization of these movements is because of racial tensions being as high as ever since the civil rights movement. Voters will never understand that their interests are essentially one in the same and that Politicians nor Donald Trump can change anything through legislation.
• A polarized society leads to a stagnant and gridlocked government, intent only on providing for the lobbyists because they can't please a majority anyway. This also leads to a scenario in which the government can't agree on anything in congress, but can make a "Nuclear Deal" with Iran, an enemy of the entire Western Hemisphere. They would rather make a deal with the enemy than with their own people because of their party affiliations.

American society has proven that it is unable to fix itself due to corruption and greed from top corporate executives down to the Black Friday Consumer looking to beat the next guy to the best deal. You can't help a society that doesn't want to help itself, which is why politicians constantly make promises and fail to deliver. Politicians don't tell you what to believe, they tell you what you already believe even if it isn't true.

@AlexKidd5000 said:

@still_vicious said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

@still_vicious said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

Step 1: college kids can't get work after school and angerly vote for socialist.

Step 2: Raises taxes on rich.

Step 3: Rich leave country/cut jobs/reduce hiring/ect.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Profit

For number 3, even now they dodge there already rock bottom taxes like fucking crazy, and STILL want to leave the country because "taxes are too high" fucking bullshit if I ever heard it.

It will only get worse.

Based on what I've heard though, Bernie will lower a companies taxes if they keep jobs in the states.

That's a believe it when I see it type thing.

What, a major corporation paying taxes?

a socialist dropping taxes.

An Inconvenience Tax

A Tax Free Tour

Getting them to pay is a start.

I seem to contradict that.. I make nearly 40k a year and am all for Bernie Sander's policies.. I don't understand this being for or against government bullshit.. I am for what WORKS and what is most efficient.. A for profit privatized healthcare in which we spend two to three times more than any other western nation and end up nearly last in place in quality sounds pretty poor and not working very well to me.. I think the real problem here is no one seems to know what the **** socialism means when Bernie Sanders identifies as a democrat socialist, because it is nothing like people are implying.. Sander's supports a capitalist economy, he just doesn't support the kind of corporate oligarchy circle jerk which is going on.. If you think that is socialist.. Than Dwight Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Taft, etc etc WERE ALL SOCIALIST because they supported curving the corporate power in the United States from abusing the system..

And what kills me is when we talk about taxation we hear all about the people screaming "ITS UNFAIR!".. Than when we start discussing about the problem of economic success and the hurdles and cost of living shooting up, about the system being unfair and rigged.. These very same idiots scream that you need to work harder and stop being lazy!..

These people who run the banks have no ethics, and absolutely no empathy to what they do.. And it's a global problem.. Guys hear about the secret bank meeting in the EU when they freaking CALLED THEM SELVES "The Cartel" in which they all colluded to fix the interest rates to make immense profits.

@sSubZerOo: Well, people were calling that from the very beginning. Sanders was doomed before he started because, years ago, he applied a label to himself that had the word "Socialist" in it when the population doesn't understand what the larger label means.

And right now the GOP is going easy on him because they (correctly, I'd argue) view him as the candidate with the most baggage (mostly that label). If he made it to the general, they'd hammer him endlessly with accusations of being Socialist and Communist.

For what cause, I wonder. It's a conservative belief that taxing the rich is "stealing", which may be true if someone worked hard for their money, but these guys are already stealing in the form of "interest". It's stealing.

I remember them saying that they'd have the "hammer and Sickle" ready for him in the general. But I don't know, the republicans hate Donald trump as much as they hate Sanders, and with how much america hates trump as well, I think most people would vote for the "lesser of 2 evils" which would be sanders.

The Republicans hate Donald Trump because they fear he will make them lose (both the presidency and down ballot races). They would largely be fine with him if he had a realistic shot of winning (and stopped articulating things in a way which alienated demographics they will need to rely on in the future).

I dont even have much faith in Bernie Sanders even. I have heard NOBODY even speak about how our fractional reserve monetary does not work. It produces nothing but debt, and there is no real wealth, merely numbers in some server. Nobody talks about simple things like that.

This is the problem. We create wealth through debt. We inflate a pyramid of economic bubbles that are bound to burst and have the destructive world impact of hundreds of nuclear ICBMs.

Entitlements seem fine and dandy until one finally realizes they're paying for them, and not surprisingly, they don't come cheap.

And that's where the reality of "entitlement" breaks down into theft. When something that is normally earned is simply granted as entitlement, it has to be literally stolen from someone who earned it.

Money and wealth is a faith concept anyway.

A $20 bill only has value because we as a society believe it does.

In reality it's a piece of paper with $20 on it.

That's why things are so messed up. Nobody "believes" in our money, because it is in fact not real. Most money has not been based upon any sort of collateral since the Dutch and English started specualting on markets, and issuing credit, respectively. The fact that none of these people, who are supposed to be the best of what our country has to offer, will even acknowledge it. These politicians are have a madman wielding an axe at their doorsteps, yet they fret over the monster under their beds.

It used to be based on the "gold" standard, where you could literally exchange notes for actual gold, and vice versa. The number of notes issued was entirely dependent on the amount of gold possessed by the US treasury. The currency system in the US is currently regulated by the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank. Woodrow Wilson sold America to a committee of bankers.

If I had to give the US government one job aside from maintaining a standing army it would be to regulate currency. If you don't regulate your own currency then you don't regulate your own country. This is why the subject is never addressed by politicians. They don't have control over it.

Yeah, it's weird how the Jekyll Island incident is one of the most influencial moments in American history, yet nobody knows anything about it.

There are just too many people that aren't ready yet. People still "believe" in our democracy and currency system. They're not ready for the red pill. People that know just keep playing along, waiting for an opportunity to change something. The unfortunate truth is that at some point you have to accept that the change we need cannot be achieved by any political means.

Holy crap, I've never heard of that. Had to look it up. Hell, there really isn't that much about it, too. Pretty crazy that's how the Fed was established.

I used to joke with my brother, who's a CNBC junkie, by asking him if he'd "prayed to the Fed" today. It's actually pretty sinister that they essentially control the world.

Sooner or later our fiat currency system is going to realize it's true value (zero) and those men won't have any power in a world where having a skill is more valuable as a trade then finding a way to screw someone out of money with some calculated derivative function.

It's kind of a mind**** to realize that our country is loaned it's own money by a private corporation that charges interest for this loan. This creates a debt for every dollar made. How do we solve this dilemma? Print more money!! It's insane to me that anyone, when equipped with the facts of how the machine works, would think our current situation anything but a tragic comedy of stupidity and drastic short sidedness.

I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. Pretty much the entire world runs on fiat currency. But hey, if you have a better system in mind speak up. People are always quick to trash things but never seem to have any better alternatives. It's like those people who trash capitalism or democracy. Yeah they have shortcomings, but does anyone else have anything better?

@hillelslovak: how do you pay back the loan, then? I don't get it...it might as well be witchcraft to me.

I mean, the money has to represent something, right? GDP, stock...something, right?

Where is the profit in lending out money that has no value? What does the Fed get out of it? It sounds like they're in charge, but in charge of what? Fake money? That seems like saying my imaginary friend can beat you up so you better do what I say.

*I ****ing hate talking about money because it combines two things I hate: math, and greed.

Income Tax pays back that loan. Income tax doesn't fund social programs and military spending. There are corporate and excise taxes for most things.

Income tax was implemented within the same period of time that the United States was sold to the banking industry. What most people don't know is that there is no law forcing you to pay any income tax to the federal government. It was found unconstitutional by the supreme court. This is because it's not apportioned. You're not told where it goes, but now you know. The IRS will bully you and imprison you for breaking a law that doesn't exist. Look for the law that requires you to pay an income tax and you won't find one.

Not just the income tax, but the systematic devaluing of the currency through inflation and interest rate manipulation. It's an absurd system. I dont see how our economy can be forged into something more value based. There is not enough gold, silver, platinum or any other collateral to even make a dent in the amount of fractional money within the system.

Yes, some aspects of socialism are good. I like when the socialist snow plows fix my roads, I like public school, I like social security and medicare. The government should protect the well being of its people. Public colleges should be free, and healthcare should be a right. 100 years ago people thought graduating highschool was a huge goal, now we need college degrees to compete. The world is changing and America needs to as well.

I ran into a lady recently who said public school should be abolished and I cried for humanity.

I wouldn't even say teachers. It all gets absorbed by higher ups, like superintendents and useless people the school district feels they need to employ. There are so many do nothing people in education that soak up all of the funding. My local school district recently had to cut teacher's salaries while doubling the superintendent's salary. It's shit like that that is screwing over our schools.

Then there's the fact that neither "snow plows" nor pubic schooling are federally funded. Social security isn't a "lock box" fund and probably won't exist in 30 years.

Healthcare is already a right. No health provider can deny you treatment and no insurance provider can deny you health insurance.

If college is the new "standard" then a college degree is further devalued. There aren't even enough colleges for everyone to go to college. If I didn't go to college should I now be able to attend college for free? Should those who paid for college be reimbursed for what they paid? Should those with student loan debt also be reimbursed?

The funds required for the infrastructure alone would ensure that you paid 100% income tax for your degree until you retired at the age of 85. Then again, everyone's going to college, so who's paying? And then theres the part where the government has other shit to pay for too and is already running a deficit.

As far as public schooling being abolished, you obviously assumed like a self-entitled know-it-all that she meant "no moar skoolz". No, she was talking about privatizing the education sector, which might not be a bad idea. Common core is bullshit and teachers unions are a huge waste of tax dollars.

I was implying the "trickle down" effect. It never really surpasses faculty pensions. Is that where tax-payers really want there money to go? Teachers unions ensure that it's nearly impossible for a teacher to be fired, so paying them more doesn't give them any more incentive to increase their work ethic.

Health care is NOT a right. American health care is great- if you can afford it. And fact is- millions of people cannot. That is unacceptable. How can you look at me through the internet and say a child should be denied medication or a doctor's visit because the family cant afford it? Co-pays and deductibles are crippling.

and Yes you should be able to go to public college for free. Every single citizen, regardless of income level, should be able to go to school.

Hey jack ass- I absolutely understood that she wanted to privatize education, and that is a tragic error. What was the USA's literacy rate before the implementation of public school? Go check it out. What do you want? millions of uneducated, starving people in the streets? Not every citizen can afford private education, obviously. Come on, dude.

Common core IS bullshit... kind of. Should have educational standards? Yes, totally. But right now, teachers being forced to teach to a standardized test is killing our education system, if you ask me.

A right is something that you can do. You can have healthcare. You have to have healthcare or you get penalized. If you can't afford healthcare you're already on medicaid so you're not making this argument. You can own a gun, but that doesn't mean they should be handing them out. You're making two separate arguments by failing to distinguish between "right" and "granted entitlement". Once again, you cannot, under any circumstances, be denied treatment. Crippling what? Are you regurgitating information or do you actually know what you're talking about? Premiums and deductibles nearly doubled for most American's because of a law passed that REQUIRED everyone to have healthcare.

It's impossible for everyone to go to college for free. Someone has to pay for it at some point. It's not as simple as "OMG ALL THIS TIME WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR WHAT SHOULD BE FREE? WHAT A SCAM". The economy doesn't work like that. Free = no cost for you. Free =/= no cost. The cost is accrued to the people not going to college. This is completely unconstitutional.

Hey uninformed individual, you really have to go back in a time machine to find literacy rate prior to public schools. The education system has become corrupt with teachers unions.

No, privatizing the school system would still give one the right to education, but you would be given a credit and be able to choose your own school, not be forced to attend a shitty public school that teaches you the leftist ideologies that you advocate without teaching accounting or economics to help you realize that you can't "make it rain" on campuses. Notice how the USPS had to step it up a bit when it had to compete with a private sector entity known as FED-EX? Public schools have no legitimate competition and no real incentive to give anyone the best education.

You're the case-in-point of the whole thread.