Millennials like socialism — until they get jobs

How is poverty like being shot in the chest though? While law that protect someone being shot make sense since it results in no loss of someone else's right, law that protect someone from being poor doesn't because it equates to reducing someone else's earned wealth to balance out. My point with the latter statement is referring to the fact that the underprivileged had same level of if not more success in improving their situations before SJW intervention. US was the "best" long before and is the "best" in spite of social welfare and handouts as the case with many of the socialist "utopias", so I failed to see the relevance.

The "extremely rich and corporations" are not parasites because they are the ones responsible for generating most wealth. They are the ones with the capacity to offer opportunities to most segment of the population. This myth that proletariat alone can succeed and thrive in have already been debunked by failure of all real world implementation of communism. Economic power is equal regardless of status; a dollar from a poor person has the exact same buying power as a dollar from the rich. Now if we are talking about economic power as represented by accumulation of wealth, then that's the way it SHOULD be. As for political representation, that's the result of government encroachment of the market. It's no coincidence that economic freedom correlate with freedom from corruption. The more government asserts itself into the economy, the more the corporations will be driven to "buy" off politicians.

Affirmative action is another good example of government intervention that is meant to "right" a perceived imbalance but actual execution not only did not help the individuals it meant to help but resulted in creating further imbalance.

It's easy to throw money at the issue rather than encourage people to work for themselves.

You are a lot more worried about people you think are not deserving getting welfare than you are worried about good hard working people who have fallen on hard times getting welfare. Seems backward and rotten to me. I'm not trying to distract you from the minor problem of welfare abuse by bringing up the much larger problem of corporate welfare. There are a lot more rich people living off of "your dime" than poor. The reason your taxes are higher than they could be is because the poor cant pay them and the rich refuse. Plus our obscene military spending which low tax righties love. I've traveled quite a bit and have known plenty of people who receive welfare and have yet to see any living a good lifestyle. Your welfare good life thing is a myth. I hope you never fall on hard times and have to live off of welfare, you'd be in for a rude awakening.

You are a lot more worried about people you think are not deserving getting welfare than you are worried about good hard working people who have fallen on hard times getting welfare. Seems backward and rotten to me. I'm not trying to distract you from the minor problem of welfare abuse by bringing up the much larger problem of corporate welfare. There are a lot more rich people living off of "your dime" than poor. The reason your taxes are higher than they could be is because the poor cant pay them and the rich refuse. Plus our obscene military spending which low tax righties love. I've traveled quite a bit and have known plenty of people who receive welfare and have yet to see any living a good lifestyle. Your welfare good life thing is a myth. I hope you never fall on hard times and have to live off of welfare, you'd be in for a rude awakening.

@Solaryellow: They are both bad. I'm not advocating for welfare cheats. I'm trying to open your eyes to much bigger problems. Do you spend a lot of your time railing against the rich for making you pay high taxes? No you spend all your time worrying about the pittance the destitute are receiving.

When people are taxed out the ass every dollar wasted needs to be addressed. Do you understand money doesn't grow on trees and we, the tax payer, finance all of these programs where only "one or two" lazy bums are abusing them? I don't know what reality you live in but I sure am glad I don't plant my flag there. Many people who make it a choice of living in government housing, depending on that check the first week of every month, etc.., are fine w/o out having the same responsibilities as myself and I'd hope even you have when it comes to paying our bills by OURSELVES. If such a way of life w/o many responsibilities wasn't satisfying, we'd see more and more of these people doing for themselves and bettering their lives. Fortunately for my family we have contingency plans in effect for our future and whatever it holds. We live within our means and save money. Just because we could afford more doesn't mean we do it.

The rich refusing to pay taxes is bad yet the poor people who will not better their lives thus depending on tax dollars is fine? HTF does that work?

Above you freely mention not knowing about people receiving "benefits" that are on par with higher hourly waged jobs yet now they are receiving a pittance?

What I am sick and tired of is when the middle class ends up taking it in both holes while everyone else benefits. I blame this on the government rather than those in any specific bracket, rich or poor. The government makes the tax laws, the over spending and over taxing, etc..,

Do you remember when it came to light that Buffet paid less taxes than his secretary? GE doesn't pay anything. Rich people use offshore accounts in places like the cayman Islands as you should be aware of since it's in the news daily right now with the panama papers. Someone's gotta pay and it ends up being the middle class.

Warren buffet never paid less taxes than his secretary. That's a lack of understanding on you part.

GE isn't rich people, it's a corporation. I'm aware of the tax havens for multinationals. Would you say the government isn't aware of this?

If you could direct deposit into bank A and pay taxes or bank B and not pay taxes, you would choose bank B every time. Does that make you an ass? No. It makes the IRS corrupt because in their library of tax codes is there no law to prevent that from happening.

@Solaryellow: They are both bad. I'm not advocating for welfare cheats. I'm trying to open your eyes to much bigger problems. Do you spend a lot of your time railing against the rich for making you pay high taxes? No you spend all your time worrying about the pittance the destitute are receiving.

The rich doesn't set my tax rate, the IRS does.

If GE would pay 30% taxes I'm sure they'd extend their generosity to give all of their employees 10% raise, an extra week of vacation, while lowering the cost of their consumer goods.

And it is how the rich are making the middle class pay more in taxes. The rich lobby the government and get laws written in their interests.

Warren Buffet started that whole thing about his secretary himself. Must have been a lack of understanding on his part too.

It's still a problem with the government, and an example of why the government should have no involvement in business. Crony capitalism is whats killing us, but you can't generalize and say "the rich". I'm interested on exactly what the solution is to the offshore tax-havens. What do you propose?

Tax Rate. Tax Paid. Two different things.

Tax havens should be ended. As long as we have lobbyists and crony capitalism they wont be. Unless the public outrage is extreme. But we are too worried about people on welfare being lazy. I wonder who gave us that diversion? Was it the crony capitalists and the politicians they buy?

The bottom line is that someone has to pay for shit, and it's denial to say that there isn't a welfare "lifestyle". There is. You'll never own anything, but some people don't care. Why would you get a better job if it would mean less income by pushing you out of subsidies like medicaid, which is the best insurance there is?

The problem isn't with subsidies, it's that when these people are collecting welfare and not working, they do not constitute a tax base. When they are working, they get more back in a refund than what they paid. Also, anyone collecting subsidies should be given a random drug screening, since they obviously don't mind the government interfering with their lives.

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It's only higher taxes for the rich. Very misleading post, it was most likely from a right wing corrupt media source. They always make poor people think it's THERE taxes that are being raised, not the rich.

BAH! bernie is just kissing the a--es of the $464,851 - $499,999 crowd!

You simply cannot justify paying someone working a cash register $15 an hour when there are people doing skilled occupations for $20 an hour. Like I said, lets make a more competitive market for skilled jobs and raise the median wage before we cause mass inflation.

You have to let people be poor. If you're a single mother with 5 kids and you're working at Walmart, you should be poor. You made bad choices. This is the unfortunate reality. This person still has access to healthcare, subsidies and enough to get by, but they'll still be poor. They didn't choose to be poor, but they made bad decisions and being poor is the result.

"Socialism" in the United States would not close the earnings gap, it would simply make everyone equally poor. If you cut your paycheck in half, how much in the form of benefits could you expect to receive? How much can the government possibly subsidize your life? It's easy to feel entitled to some benefits until you see someone else that needs more shit and you end up paying for that too, despite him earning less.

@Solaryellow: Mate, the whole world is subsidized. Your food, your gas, your electricity, everything in this world is regulated to make it affordable for all.

@Solaryellow: All thats regulated too. The reason you pay such low prices is thanks to regulation.

businesses do not exist in a vacuum. they do not create jobs because they're nice or they're told to. if there is no business need for the job ( more work than people, expected future growth, etc.. ) why would the business hire more people?

This shit went completely over your head.. I am specifically talking about them pretty much reaping the rewards of the system while completely avoiding anything in costs to return it to ensure the system does not crash.. What were are talking about is a tenant basically living in a house and avoiding to pay rent while still living in said house..

same with wages. sure a business could raise wages because they're nice people, but that comes at the expense of their bottom line ( assuming all other factors being equal ). now suppose they have a competitor of equal size in the same industry that does not raise their wages. that competitor has additional resources to invest in expanding the business because it saved that money by paying its employees less. which business do you think will ultimately be able to expand more and thrive?

OUr system has become one in good faith rather than one looking for actual results.. They give these corporations these benefits and listen to them hoping they will invest in the US, they instead take the benefits and go on their merry way.. This isn't about businesses looking out for their best interests, I am completely fine with it.. I am talking about the businesses who are basically parasites (like Walmart for instance) that has basically taken advantage of the system while doing everything in it's power from actually giving back, while pumping more money into the political machine to ensure it continues to this self destructive course..

This shit isn't new.. We didn't have these kind of problems in the 50's, 60's, 70's where these corporations had a massive influence in politics.. The last time we had this kind of problem was during the 1890s which led to presidents like Teddy Roosevelt stomping down on these oligarchs.. The US government supports the corporations with the biggest influence in government, not the actual importance they hold directly to the economy while they reap the benefits.. GE was given a tax credit on top of paying no taxes and still cut jobs in the United States.. How hard is it to get through people's head that this kind of behavior shouldn't be allowed.. You should not be given a tax credit, or never be taxed if your not going to invest in the United States.. What we have is basically a football game in which the players where refs don't exist and it's every man for themselves.. We have CEO's flat out saying to people like Warren that they knowingly break the law and told them to bill them and move on..

have the panama papers taught yu nothing? ... they steal billions from tax money every year and month and you moan about giving a few hundred Dollars a month to some people who really could use a hand and some structure in their lifes... now thats the fascism that goes totally unnoticed in the world of today ...

regards

How is poverty like being shot in the chest though? While law that protect someone being shot make sense since it results in no loss of someone else's right, law that protect someone from being poor doesn't because it equates to reducing someone else's earned wealth to balance out. My point with the latter statement is referring to the fact that the underprivileged had same level of if not more success in improving their situations before SJW intervention. US was the "best" long before and is the "best" in spite of social welfare and handouts as the case with many of the socialist "utopias", so I failed to see the relevance.

The United States actually ranks much lower in actual vertical economic movement compared to numerous other western nations.. And why are you even talking about SJW? No one even talked about them and this has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.. The fact of the matter is older gens could afford much more on much lower pay due to numerous things.. The Older gens had it far easier economically when it came to actual costs of living than they do now..

The "extremely rich and corporations" are not parasites because they are the ones responsible for generating most wealth.

No they are not.. This is a symbiotic relationships genious.. Companies can not exist with out the infastrucutre the government builds for them to operate on them.. And they can not operate with out a educated workbase which the government helps creat and the workers help factilitiate.. This entire view point really illustrates you have no idea what your talking about in economics.. There is no one direct factor but a multitude of things.. And yes by definition they are indeed parasites.. Major corporations have been swaying US government policy against public wishes for decades now and have made themselves out to be a boon.. This is a actual definition of what a parasite is. Our foreign defensive policy is a major posterchild of this in wasting trillions of dollars in tax payer money for gigantic defensive forces in which the next 25 nations budgets are less than the US's combined.

They are the ones with the capacity to offer opportunities to most segment of the population.

No they are not.. They have as much capacity now to destroy a persons opportunity due to cartel and monopoly like practices as they do facilitating them.

This myth that proletariat alone can succeed and thrive in have already been debunked by failure of all real world implementation of communism.

Are you just this stupid? No one here is even talking about socialism or communism.. The only thing that is being argued is the clamping down on the corporate oligarchy with new regulation and restrictions that existed YEARS past.. Eisenhower must have been a socialist.. Teddy Roosevelt must have been a socialist..

Economic power is equal regardless of status; a dollar from a poor person has the exact same buying power as a dollar from the rich.

Are you this dense? You seriously think a multi billionare corporation has the same say in economic policy and government policy as the working class poor? Because they don't what so ever.. Are you this dillusional of how American politics currently work? Because the working class poor have the lowest amount of actual sway in politics..

Now if we are talking about economic power as represented by accumulation of wealth, then that's the way it SHOULD be. As for political representation, that's the result of government encroachment of the market. It's no coincidence that economic freedom correlate with freedom from corruption. The more government asserts itself into the economy, the more the corporations will be driven to "buy" off politicians.

LOL I love this shit.. When the corporations are abusing shit through government, its the GOVERNMENTS fault!.. We have too much.. So lets dismantle the government so WHAT few restrictions the corporations have on them don't exist! What a brilliant idea.. Lets make the abuse EVEN WORSE where they have absolutely NO oversight what so ever..

Affirmative action is another good example of government intervention that is meant to "right" a perceived imbalance but actual execution not only did not help the individuals it meant to help but resulted in creating further imbalance.

We aren't even talking about that.. We are talking about basic shit.. Like anti corruption, monopoly laws.. Overturning citizens United.. STopping the crusade of union busting and stripping of workers rights all across the states.. Preventing the continual attack on environmental laws which are meant to keep your sorry ass safe from having a safe water supply..

Assistance is one thing. Making it a way of life is another. We've seen so-called lifelines and safety nets become one continuous circle. Unfortunately it isn't only one or two lazy bums living off my dime.

Your mentioning of corporate welfare is just a way to distract. I doubt most people here would be in favor of giving tax dollars to multi-billion dollar corporations. Like most liberals, you seem to think one act of bad behavior justifies another and that is nonsense.

If you don't know about his $20.00 example, educate yourself. You can easily find out how much each state averages in terms of "welfare." People flock to my state and hop on the welfare rolls because the Democrats love to pass out "free" money since they seem to believe it grows on trees. Any effort made to crack down on such handouts is always met with the harshest of responses by the left.

@Solaryellow: Those are subsidized too. Food and healthcare are the top two subsidized topics in America right now. People are tired of government subsidizing unhealthy foods over healthy ones. And im sure your very familiar with the healthcare. Florida cant stand their governor because he refused to accept money from the government that would have helped lower Floridas healthcare cost rises due to uninsured emergency room increase.

America regulates the whole world.

@Solaryellow: Those are subsidized too. Food and healthcare are the top two subsidized topics in America right now. People are tired of government subsidizing unhealthy foods over healthy ones. And im sure your very familiar with the healthcare. Florida cant stand their governor because he refused to accept money from the government that would have helped lower Floridas healthcare cost rises due to uninsured emergency room increase.

America regulates the whole world.

@Solaryellow: I understand the difference just fine. Your can thank your government for regulating and subsidizing you so that you can better afford things. Everything in this world is a hand out from someone else.

Yes it's a fact that people don't particularly enjoy taxes being collected because it means money out of their pocket. On the other hand many people still recognize the importance of a country that looks to solve the issues within it. For example I don't currently have a drug problem, but I recognize that meth addiction is a growing problem for many in the country. I may not like the fact that my tax dollars are being collected, but I do agree that something needs to be done to help those people both from an economic standpoint and a human standpoint. Same goes for healthcare for the poor, and elderly.

Where things get contentious is new problems large segments of the population are dealing with, but the government has yet to do much to alleviate said problems. When it comes to millenials this new issue tends to be student loan debt. There are people who don't want to do anything about it because tax dollars. People who are faced with huge debt, perhaps a lifetime of it are being told that not only should nothing be done, but also facing a refusal to even acknowledge that there's a problem in the first place. It's a difficult thing to simply have your problems straight up ignored, and it's going to cause some stress on other segments of society when their is a refusal to come up with an acceptable solution for it.

It's like talking to a wall. People are tired of paying for themselves while others live off the government.

Understand there exists a difference between a regulation and a subsidy. Have you ever taken an economics course in high school or college? When you get to that point, I'd enjoy continuing the discussion because you did yourself in by mentioning healthcare and you don't even realize it. Hell, I'd even like to discus utilities since both subsidies and regulations will apply.

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I will advise you to understand the term welfare encompasses a great deal of things. Certainly there are people who work and receive some sort of "welfare" yet, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, many people are not and they are benefiting off the backs of others for their extremely poor choices in life. people do not begrudge the genuinely sick person or the elderly who gets help from the tax rolls. It's the people outside of this spectrum we're sick of. Talk to people who deal with these individuals and you'll see what the country is dealing with. Regarding Social Security, I'd much prefer handling my money rather than giving it away to the government to rob from it as they see fit. Contrary to belief, the government is a fiscally irresponsible entity. I can make money with my money and I have done it. Would you trust Bernie Madoff with your earnings?

Fantastic point on student loan debt.

you cant make choices based on limited and filtered informations, even if you want to ...

Maybe they could just try taking responsibility for their actions instead of expecting bail outs.

"hah your all wrong because utopia is better".

I would like you to stop saying this all teh time, and then acting like someone else said it,

at some point there are no differences anymore, can you feel it ... its the same wave ...

These are the big 3 that make people poor. They all have to be completely indiscernible for your logic to hold true

these are only claims, personal view claims, you dont explain them you dont proof them ... you project them onto me, why? ... if you wish to keep attacking me you can do so, but I dont no why and what you are attacking exactly ... maybe you are afraid of getting something in the end thats worth keeping instead of dismantleing it... ?

The point that most leftist push is "welfare" and how people should get it. The irony is that many of these folks don't know that welfare isn't a lump sum. It's a collection of State subsidized living programs run by a department of Human Services. What subsidies they get is dependent upon their earnings, and their cost of living including their dependents. It never occurs to them that someone might be getting a subsidized income that they wouldn't need if they paid less taxes. And that is not unreasonable

@Solaryellow: The answer from the left is to spend money to make money. Sometimes you have to help a brother out. Then maybe they return the favor to others. Its called an investment for the greater good of ones country. America has been doing it since day 1, its why we so awesome.

@Solaryellow: The left just wants to regulate and make it affordable for many people to enjoy. All great countries do this, its how they survive.

Somethings in life cost a lot more then one can afford, and sometimes they need help. For instance, that Conservative dude whos kid just got diagnosed with a rare cancer and his medicine cost too much for him to afford. Without government help, his child would be died. All hail great government, for she is wise.