Movement on recreational marijuana legalization in California

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="matricide01"]As someone who does not smoke marijuana, I am deeply against legalization of it for any purpose. I get sick to my stomach when I read so many comments from people saying that legalizing weed is a step in the right direction. It's not. It's a drug and it's poisonous. Everyone who doesn't smoke marijuana is against legalization. How come they don't have a say in anything anymore? matricide01

Joke post? Sarcasm?

There are many people who don't smoke weed that are for legalization, some of them even work for organizations like the Marijuana Policy Project. There are plenty of good reasons to legalize cannabis besides, "Dude, I want to smoke it," and people have been listing them here. Also, weed is less poisonous than any of our currrent legal recreational drugs.

Are you serious? You could go to MPP and ask their contributors, there was one who was talking on MSNBC and said he doesn't smoke pot not too long ago. Rick Steves is another, he's a huge legalization supporter and he doesn't smoke. I haven't smoked in years, does that count? There are plenty of people who don't smoke who support legalization.

[QUOTE="matricide01"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Joke post? Sarcasm?

There are many people who don't smoke weed that are for legalization, some of them even work for organizations like the Marijuana Policy Project. There are plenty of good reasons to legalize cannabis besides, "Dude, I want to smoke it," and people have been listing them here. Also, weed is less poisonous than any of our currrent legal recreational drugs.

theone86

Are you serious? You could go to MPP and ask their contributors, there was one who was talking on MSNBC and said he doesn't smoke pot not too long ago. Rick Steves is another, he's a huge legalization supporter and he doesn't smoke. I haven't smoked in years, does that count? There are plenty of people who don't smoke who support legalization.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="matricide01"] Yeah, right. Go find a non-smoker who agrees with you. You might find him in the same area as a unicorn or Atlantis.matricide01

Are you serious? You could go to MPP and ask their contributors, there was one who was talking on MSNBC and said he doesn't smoke pot not too long ago. Rick Steves is another, he's a huge legalization supporter and he doesn't smoke. I haven't smoked in years, does that count? There are plenty of people who don't smoke who support legalization.

Yeah, Aaron Houston on way too early.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="matricide01"]As someone who does not smoke marijuana, I am deeply against legalization of it for any purpose. I get sick to my stomach when I read so many comments from people saying that legalizing weed is a step in the right direction. It's not. It's a drug and it's poisonous. Everyone who doesn't smoke marijuana is against legalization. How come they don't have a say in anything anymore? matricide01

Joke post? Sarcasm?

There are many people who don't smoke weed that are for legalization, some of them even work for organizations like the Marijuana Policy Project. There are plenty of good reasons to legalize cannabis besides, "Dude, I want to smoke it," and people have been listing them here. Also, weed is less poisonous than any of our currrent legal recreational drugs.

I still think pot smokers are a bunch of punkasses and I wouldn't mind killing one of them.matricide01

I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.xTheExploited

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

HorseVillain

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

HorseVillain

there is a valid argument governments can make against making marijuana legal. the millions of dollars it takes to combat problems with those who smoke it when things go wrong. there is not really anything stopping one from lighting up in their own home so given that, why really all the protest against the drug being illegal? here is a rap that might go down well... cypress hill - dr. greenthumb... from their greatest hits. i have it on cassette in my car. i thought that might make some people happy. adults only.

[QUOTE="HorseVillain"]

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

xaos

I'm in far too good of mood for that.

Well, we can only hope legalization is within reach. Its been too long already, and I am tired about worrying my life will be ruined because I got canned for somethingfar lessharmful than cigarettes.

I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.xTheExploited

If you give someone a step they will pushto take ten more. Thereis no compromise. If you keep them busy trying to legalize pot they will remain distracted. If you don't let them take the first step you won'tneed to worry about preventing them from taking the next ten. And that's the point.

Pot doesn't need to be legal to obtain.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.MagnumPI

If you give someone a step they will pushto take ten more. Thereis no compromise. If you keep them busy trying to legalize pot they will remain distracted. If you don't let them take the first step you won'tneed to worry about preventing them from taking the next ten. And that's the point.

Pot doesn't need to be legal to obtain.

But beign caught trying to obtain it and being sent to PRISON is wrong. I have a cousin who is spending life in prison because he had 1 pound of weed. Life in prison at 27 years old, for a pound of plant products.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.heysharpshooter

If you give someone a step they will pushto take ten more. Thereis no compromise. If you keep them busy trying to legalize pot they will remain distracted. If you don't let them take the first step you won'tneed to worry about preventing them from taking the next ten. And that's the point.

Pot doesn't need to be legal to obtain.

But beign caught trying to obtain it and being sent to PRISON is wrong. I have a cousin who is spending life in prison because he had 1 pound of weed. Life in prison at 27 years old, for a pound of plant products.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"] Because people are stupid and have proven in the past that they cannot be trusted with it.

If you give someone a step they will pushto take ten more. Thereis no compromise. If you keep them busy trying to legalize pot they will remain distracted. If you don't let them take the first step you won'tneed to worry about preventing them from taking the next ten. And that's the point.

Pot doesn't need to be legal to obtain.

Iantheone

But beign caught trying to obtain it and being sent to PRISON is wrong. I have a cousin who is spending life in prison because he had 1 pound of weed. Life in prison at 27 years old, for a pound of plant products.

For personal use. The courts did not believe that however. BTW, it happened when his neighbor called the cops because he heard "loud music". The cop showed up to my cousins house, but the music wasn't even from his place. They could smell the weed, arrested him, and tore his house up to find it. No small baggies, no large amounts of money, just a pound of reggies and a crappy electric scale. Life in prison.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

But beign caught trying to obtain it and being sent to PRISON is wrong. I have a cousin who is spending life in prison because he had 1 pound of weed. Life in prison at 27 years old, for a pound of plant products.

heysharpshooter

For personal use. The courts did not believe that however. BTW, it happened when his neighbor called the cops because he heard "loud music". The cop showed up to my cousins house, but the music wasn't even from his place. They could smell the weed, arrested him, and tore his house up to find it. No small baggies, no large amounts of money, just a pound of reggies and a crappy electric scale. Life in prison.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.MagnumPI

If you give someone a step they will pushto take ten more. Thereis no compromise. If you keep them busy trying to legalize pot they will remain distracted. If you don't let them take the first step you won'tneed to worry about preventing them from taking the next ten. And that's the point.

Pot doesn't need to be legal to obtain.

How have they proven that? Weed smokers have proven exactly the opposite, they're the safest group pf recreational drug users, legal and illegal. There's nowhere near the amount of physical damage caused to a user as alcohol and tobacco, not to mention harder drugs like cocaine; there's never been a car-related fatality that could be blamed solely on weed without the presence of alcohol as opposed to how many deaths are caused by alcohol-related instances; weed-users are far less violent in an inebriated state than alcohol users; you can't become physically addicted to weed so there's no rehab; there's never been an overdose of weed and doing so is virtually impossible. What's the downside, wouldn't having weed be available as an alternatie to these drugs be a more-cost effective option in terms of treating the effects?

As to the benefits, for one growing hemp would no longer be illegal so all the things hemp can be used for can benefit from that; It would give local governments a much needed source of revenue, not to mention create jobs; It would divert law enforcement resources away from going after pot users and put it towards going after real criminals and people who deal harder drugs, not to mention take money away from illegal organizations that profit off cannabis sale right now; and it would ensure a safer market for the drug as vendors would be required to card people like they do with alcohol so you would get less sale to minors.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I oppose it and will continue to untill a device equal to the breathalizer is invented to detect Marijuana use. It would need to be illegal to smoke marijuana in public, and to drive while high. The problem with the latter is there would really be no way to prove the person was high while they were driving.

Pixel-Pirate

And these will pinpoint if the person was high at that moment and not a week ago with it still in their system?

Or are we talking about unscientific tests like walking in a straight line, which does not prove anything nor will it hold up. All it proves is you have poor balance.

not only would we be cutting millions of dollars spent on pointless law enforcement and prison sentences, we would also be increasing revenue.

I am all for it.

I would just like to see it distributed/cultivated properly. Home use only, too.

As someone who does not smoke marijuana, I am deeply against legalization of it for any purpose. I get sick to my stomach when I read so many comments from people saying that legalizing weed is a step in the right direction. It's not. It's a drug and it's poisonous. Everyone who doesn't smoke marijuana is against legalization. How come they don't have a say in anything anymore? matricide01

Yo! Non-smoker supporting legalizing right here, debunking your weak-ass argument!

[QUOTE="matricide01"]As someone who does not smoke marijuana, I am deeply against legalization of it for any purpose. I get sick to my stomach when I read so many comments from people saying that legalizing weed is a step in the right direction. It's not. It's a drug and it's poisonous. Everyone who doesn't smoke marijuana is against legalization. How come they don't have a say in anything anymore? effena

Yo! Non-smoker supporting legalizing right here, debunking your weak-ass argument!

ditto, I also find it a little amusing somone named "matricide" is so antidrug, yet finds her name ok lol.

seriously, though, pot is relatively harmless.

End marijuana prohibition!

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] You can still conduct sobriety tests with out a breathalyzer. We managed before the invention of one after all. theone86

And these will pinpoint if the person was high at that moment and not a week ago with it still in their system?

Or are we talking about unscientific tests like walking in a straight line, which does not prove anything nor will it hold up. All it proves is you have poor balance.

or if the officer pulls you over and smells weed/sees you have bloodshot eyes he can take you in and test you there. Breathalizers aren't official tests either, I believe they do have to test you for alcohol level some other way when they take you in.

I really don't know the exact testing for alcohol but does it stay in your system for weeks? I.E. If I have a high blood alcohol level a week ago will I still have it now? I'm assuming not, but marijuana stays in your system for awhile, so just because I got pulled over and tested for marijuana use does not mean I had used it before driving, I may of used it days ago. Unless there is a definitive way to know the person was under the effects at that moment in time and not days before, it really isn't an acceptable test to me. Because either A. it'll be painfully easy for anyone breaking the law to get out of it with relative easy assuming they have either a brain or a lawyer who hasn't failed the bar 50 times. Or B. Law enforcement can arrest and jail you for having it in your system from days ago and say you must of been high now. Neither are acceptable to me.

Once a good way of testing becomes available I will support legalising marijuana (provided it is banned from being smoked in public and carries the same penalties as drinking while driving if you are caught high while driving) but untill then I cannot in all good conciousness do that. If there is a way of testing that doesn't leave a time gap in it, then if someone could post me some links to that method of testing I will look over them and perhaps change my mind.

Well, we can only hope legalization is within reach. Its been too long already, and I am tired about worrying my life will be ruined because I got canned for somethingfar lessharmful than cigarettes.

heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.-Sun_Tzu-

Indeed! I can't wait for the legalization for adult recreational use. I live in California and still don't have a medical card. :roll:

i do find that people who smoke a joint or once when i was working, from a coke can, think they have some kind of moral high ground by thinking what they are doing is right and other people can go to hell. if i choose not to do that, i will just say no thanks and yes, i could say yes if i felt i wanted to at that time. if i did, i would probably become addicted likely and then have more personal issues to deal with. i have been high before and i did enjoy it, but it was scary near the end.

As someone who does not smoke marijuana, I am deeply against legalization of it for any purpose. I get sick to my stomach when I read so many comments from people saying that legalizing weed is a step in the right direction. It's not. It's a drug and it's poisonous. Everyone who doesn't smoke marijuana is against legalization. How come they don't have a say in anything anymore? matricide01

i do not smoke it. but i am not against making it more legal. what should stop someone from lighting up in their own home and shouldn't having to be afraid of the government watching over them like a hawk? then there is the question of how available the drug, plant... whatever... would be? could i expect to find it in convenience stores? i have an issue these days with some people who smoke it and get defensive about what they do to the point they might kill someone. here is an idea, take all the cigarettes off the street and replace them with doobies? i might favour the latter.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

But beign caught trying to obtain it and being sent to PRISON is wrong. I have a cousin who is spending life in prison because he had 1 pound of weed. Life in prison at 27 years old, for a pound of plant products.

heysharpshooter

For personal use. The courts did not believe that however. BTW, it happened when his neighbor called the cops because he heard "loud music". The cop showed up to my cousins house, but the music wasn't even from his place. They could smell the weed, arrested him, and tore his house up to find it. No small baggies, no large amounts of money, just a pound of reggies and a crappy electric scale. Life in prison.

life in prison? i do not believe you. that is totally out of kilter. i mean, that is ****en crazy!

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"] Why the hell would you have that much?zarkon9

For personal use. The courts did not believe that however. BTW, it happened when his neighbor called the cops because he heard "loud music". The cop showed up to my cousins house, but the music wasn't even from his place. They could smell the weed, arrested him, and tore his house up to find it. No small baggies, no large amounts of money, just a pound of reggies and a crappy electric scale. Life in prison.

life in prison? i do not believe you. that is totally out of kilter. i mean, that is ****en crazy!

Indeed. I have never heard of someone getting life in prison for marijuana posession, even with intent to distribute. Theres either foul play going on, this didn't happen, or theres more to this then what is being told.

I still don't see how this legislation is legally possible. Assuming it passes at all, it WILL go to the Supreme Court and, unless they're all high themselves, they WILL strike it down. It's an exercise in futility that's just going to cost Cali taxpayers.

it has been four hours and i almost had the last word. in response to Pixal-Pirate. i still do not believe you about your friend or whoever was sent to jail for life guilty of a marijuana offence. that likely did not happen in america. can that happen in america? politicians may be wanting the movement to just go away. one reason could be to do with the millions of dollars that could be needed to be put in the health service to help people who find problems with using the drug. why would the government make marijuana more legal if they knew that the tax payer would have to spend money helping people deal with mental health issues to do with it? i imagine, or would like to think, is why there is a tax on ciggarettes. an incredible amount of money is collected through the tax on ciggarettes here. apparently it is not spent on helping addicts kick their habit. but on motorways? you should be able to use marijuana in your home like many do now but without the government on your case.

Why do people need marijuana so badly? Are you really that hooked that you need to smoke it everywhere?PS2_ROCKS

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Why do people need marijuana so badly? Are you really that hooked that you need to smoke it everywhere?needled24-7

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Why do people need marijuana so badly? Are you really that hooked that you need to smoke it everywhere?dsmccracken

I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.xTheExploited

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Why do people need marijuana so badly? Are you really that hooked that you need to smoke it everywhere?needled24-7

that must make you a hooker. if video games. zing.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]nah, we just like it, the same way people like video games. in fact, i'd say people get hooked on video games far more than people get "hooked" (i put it in quotes because you can't get hooked on it) on marijuana.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.comp_atkins

that is stupid. it should be about people and the well being of those who use marijuana. to re-iterate. that is stupid because tobacco is killing people as we are here. i think it is valid that marijuana is not as harmless as alcohol but i am not letting marijuana off by calling it the perfect drug. is there anyone here who has smoked it in the last twelve hours?

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Nobody gets emphysema (at minimum) from video games.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]nah, we just like it, the same way people like video games. in fact, i'd say people get hooked on video games far more than people get "hooked" (i put it in quotes because you can't get hooked on it) on marijuana.

needled24-7

i was in hospital for the fourth time in two days. true.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]so? when did this thread become about health? if people were so concerned about their health, they wouldn't do half the things they do.

needled24-7

Smoking causes emphysema. Smoke in the lungs isn't healthy regardless of what's being smoked. Saying marijuana doesn't cause emphysema is like saying tobacco doesn't cause addiction.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I don't understand why it is illegal in the first place.zarkon9

that is stupid. it should be about people and the well being of those who use marijuana. to re-iterate. that is stupid because tobacco is killing people as we are here. i think it is valid that marijuana is not as harmless as alcohol but i am not letting marijuana off by calling it the perfect drug. is there anyone here who has smoked it in the last twelve hours?

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]so? when did this thread become about health? if people were so concerned about their health, they wouldn't do half the things they do.

needled24-7

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

The legalization of any product usually comes down to health and well being.dsmccracken

Smoking causes emphysema. Smoke in the lungs isn't healthy regardless of what's being smoked. Saying marijuana doesn't cause emphysema is like saying tobacco doesn't cause addiction.

[QUOTE="zarkon9"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] takes money away from the tobacco farmers...comp_atkins

that is stupid. it should be about people and the well being of those who use marijuana. to re-iterate. that is stupid because tobacco is killing people as we are here. i think it is valid that marijuana is not as harmless as alcohol but i am not letting marijuana off by calling it the perfect drug. is there anyone here who has smoked it in the last twelve hours?

very funny. although you are being sarcastic and looking back on that now i know i made a bit of an ass of myself. i have been deprived of sleep because i have been in hospital most of this morning. nothing to do with marijuana though.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] The legalization of any product usually comes down to health and well being.Theokhoth

Smoking causes emphysema. Smoke in the lungs isn't healthy regardless of what's being smoked. Saying marijuana doesn't cause emphysema is like saying tobacco doesn't cause addiction.