Muslim Woman poses for Playboy, Receives Death Threats

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"][QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

If you guys wish to start a new thread about different topics on Islam, feel free to do so... with proof for claims ofcourse.

xfxfxfanatikx

Im sure you understand english.

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Are you serious? That's not even in dispute. The Islam religion follows teachings of Mohammed. LJS9502_basic

Is that your proof? Or you cant use google and go to some anti-islam site?

However if you are going to deny a basic fact about the founder of the religion then I don't see how we can converse TBH.

By "founder" what do you mean? If you mean founder of Islamic Practices, Belief, Law, originator of the Quran etc. etc. so where is the proof for this?

Once more, I am sure people on gamespot understand english. Creating a new thread is rather simple.

Anti-islam... have you studied Islam? Or are you another sheep on the bandwagon? Do some research on the content among popular anti-islamic sites.

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]Aisha said that he married her at six, then sexed her up at nine. ColonelVodka

Im sure you understand english.

How is asking for a clean, new thread to discuss a different Islamic issue dodging the question?

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

Im sure you understand english.

xfxfxfanatikx

How is asking for a clean, new thread to discuss a different Islamic issue dodging the question?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

Is that your proof? Or you cant use google and go to some anti-islam site?

xfxfxfanatikx

However if you are going to deny a basic fact about the founder of the religion then I don't see how we can converse TBH.

By "founder" what do you mean? If you mean founder of Islamic Practices, Belief, Law, originator of the Quran etc. etc. so where is the proof for this?

Once more, I am sure people on gamespot understand english. Creating a new thread is rather simple.

Anti-islam... have you studied Islam? Or are you another sheep on the bandwagon? Do some research on the content among popular anti-islamic sites.

Ah! poor misunderstood islam. killing women because they "wronged" religion is just one of those rumors that people started. We all know that extremists in your religion are just silly people who somehow "misread" the koran. Oh well...

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"] Way to dodge what you can't dispute. Apologists try so hard to prove that he wasn't a pedophile, but unfortunately it never adds up to proof.

ColonelVodka

How is asking for a clean, new thread to discuss a different Islamic issue dodging the question?

1. He married a women before Aisha (RA). Khadijah (RA) and many after.

2. She was not a "kid" as you would typically see a 9yr-old today - relative to time, place and individual - she hit puberty then the marriage was consumated.

3. As far as the hadith is concerned, it is saheeh, no dispute.

4.In Islam, we follow the absolute law of the nature, puberty. It doesn't matter how old is the person; once you hit puberty, you're an adult according to the law of the nature. Why does the age have to be 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 etc to determine adulthood? Who decides this age? Why don't all the cultures/countries agree on one age?

5. Of-course now, we have the hypocrites, idolators, jews and christians at that time who also hated Islam - why did they not pin-point such an event and make a "big-deal" out of it as people are now? It would've been a big blow, same thing with Abu Lahab. Because she was a adult.

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"][QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

How is asking for a clean, new thread to discuss a different Islamic issue dodging the question?

xfxfxfanatikx

1. He married a women before Aisha (RA). Khadijah (RA) and many after.

2. She was not a "kid" as you would typically see a 9yr-old today - relative to time, place and individual - she hit puberty then the marriage was consumated.

3. As far as the hadith is concerned, it is saheeh, no dispute.

4.In Islam, we follow the absolute law of the nature, puberty. It doesn't matter how old is the person; once you hit puberty, you're an adult according to the law of the nature. Why does the age have to be 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 etc to determine adulthood? Who decides this age? Why don't all the cultures/countries agree on one age?

5. Of-course now, we have the hypocrites, idolators, jews and christians at that time who also hated Islam - why did they not pin-point such an event and make a "big-deal" out of it as people are now? It would've been a big blow, same thing with Abu Lahab. Because she was a adult.

1. So what? There's been plenty of dudes that already had a family before they got charged with pedophilia.
2. She was a kid. Period. The early stages of puberty don't instantly make you an adult.
3. Um, alright...
4. And by the definition of most modern laws, he is a pedophile. Plain and simple.
5. I don't know. I don't really care.

Where the hell as this subject gone too? I dont care what cultist leader made up the religion I really dont. neither do I care about fables from 2000 years and beyond, what applied to them doesnt 100% apply to us. Age of 9 being an adult? for gods sake yes puberty can hit that young, but its proven it damages the continued growth of the girl in that age range. hence why we have age "laws" though these laws are not heavily enforced because sexuality between 2 youngsters is usually quite typical. Either way why did this subject even come up? talk about a bloody derailment.

The only things I have discovered in this thread is muslims are so set in stone by fear of sin from man made teachings (defintly not woman made thats for sure :lol:) that the simple idea of change or equality has to be met with derailment, moral superiority (and your suppose to be modest, haha ... hypocritical) and worst of all deny everything rationally sound point made against them.

Dont care if it changes your life or makes you convert, really dont, but at least acknoledge what we have brought up. nudity proven to be nothing but a nice thing, woman are equal to men, nudity not connected to rape ect. if you cant argue the basic topic of this thread then just leave, stop bringing up new subject matter to derail it.

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]Why not just answer it here? I'm not going to start a topic over this. I don't care enough. ColonelVodka

1. So what? There's been plenty of dudes that already had a family before they got charged with pedophilia.
2. She was a kid. Period. The early stages of puberty don't instantly make you an adult.
3. Um, alright...
4. And by the definition of most modern laws, he is a pedophile. Plain and simple.
5. I don't know. I don't really care.

I'd claim the opposite, in fact.

2. She was not a "kid" as you would typically see a 9yr-old today - relative to time, place and individual - she hit puberty then the marriage was consumated.

4.In Islam, we follow the absolute law of the nature, puberty. It doesn't matter how old is the person; once you hit puberty, you're an adult according to the law of the nature. Why does the age have to be 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 etc to determine adulthood? Who decides this age? Why don't all the cultures/countries agree on one age?

xfxfxfanatikx

I'm sure Pedobear would approve of your post. I, however, do not.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

Is that your proof? Or you cant use google and go to some anti-islam site?

xfxfxfanatikx

However if you are going to deny a basic fact about the founder of the religion then I don't see how we can converse TBH.

By "founder" what do you mean? If you mean founder of Islamic Practices, Belief, Law, originator of the Quran etc. etc. so where is the proof for this?

Here.

Muhammad ibn 'Abdullāh(Arabic:5;ح5;د;Transliteration:Muḥammad;[n 1]pronounced[mʊˈħæmmæd](listen); also spelledMuhammedorMohammed)[n 2][n 3](ca. 570/571– June 8, 632),[1](Monday, 12thRabi' al-Awwal, Year 11A.H.) is the founder[n 4]of thereligionofIslam,[2]and is considered byMuslimsto be amessengerandprophetofGod(Arabic: [[Allah|ا4;4;7;]]Allāh), the last law-bearer in a series ofIslamic prophets, and, by most Muslims,[n 5]the last prophet of Islam as taught by theQur'an.[3]Muslims thus consider him the restorer of an uncorrupted originalmonotheisticfaith(islām) ofAdam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesusandother prophets.[4][5][6]He was also active as adiplomat,merchant,philosopher,orator,legislator,reformer,military general, and, according to Muslim belief, an agent of divine action.[7]

And here.

Islam extract from Britannica Online.

Major world religion founded byMuhammadin Arabia in the early 7th centuryAD. The Arabic wordislammeans "surrender"—specifically, surrender to the will of the one God, calledAllahin Arabic. Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion, and its adherents, called Muslims, regard the Prophet Muhammad as the last and most perfect of God's messengers, who includeAdam,Abraham,Moses,

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]Why not just answer it here? I'm not going to start a topic over this. I don't care enough. ColonelVodka

1. He married a women before Aisha (RA). Khadijah (RA) and many after.

2. She was not a "kid" as you would typically see a 9yr-old today - relative to time, place and individual - she hit puberty then the marriage was consumated.

3. As far as the hadith is concerned, it is saheeh, no dispute.

4.In Islam, we follow the absolute law of the nature, puberty. It doesn't matter how old is the person; once you hit puberty, you're an adult according to the law of the nature. Why does the age have to be 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 etc to determine adulthood? Who decides this age? Why don't all the cultures/countries agree on one age?

5. Of-course now, we have the hypocrites, idolators, jews and christians at that time who also hated Islam - why did they not pin-point such an event and make a "big-deal" out of it as people are now? It would've been a big blow, same thing with Abu Lahab. Because she was a adult.

1. So what? There's been plenty of dudes that already had a family before they got charged with pedophilia.
2. She was a kid. Period. The early stages of puberty don't instantly make you an adult.
3. Um, alright...
4. And by the definition of most modern laws, he is a pedophile. Plain and simple.
5. I don't know. I don't really care.

1. It proves he had a wife before and wives who were all of different ages after Aisha (RA)

- translating to: he wasn't after "little kids" as the christian missionaries put it.

2. She hit puberty, its a basicfact thata girl becomes a woman when she begins her menstruation cycle.The significance of menstruation that anyone with the slightest familiarity with physiology will tell you is that it is a sign that the girl is being prepared to become a mother. Also as I have mentioned genetics, race and environment do play a role.

3-5.Marriage at the early years of puberty was acceptable in 7th century Arabia asit was the social norm in all Semitic cultures from the Israelites to the Arabs and all nations in between.Now applying your "modern-day laws" to a practice which existed before you and [then to some degree it exists and happens now!] is a rather shallow and weak attempt at trying to hurt the image of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) - refute the Messege - don't attack the Messenger.

(by the way man-made laws change...)

Following:

• It was the norm of the Semitic society in 7th century Arabia to allow pubescent marriages.
• There was no reports of opposition to the Prophet's marriage to `Aishah(R) either from his friends or his enemies.
• Even today, there are cultures who still allow pubescent marriage for their young women.
• She was not a child.

Such claims are based only on conjecture and moral relativism.

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not anti Islam dude...but here's a quote...Muhammad ibn 'Abdullāh (ca. 570/571 – June 8, 632),(Monday, 12th Rabi' al-Awwal, Year 11 A.H.) is the founder of the religion of Islam

However if you are going to deny a basic fact about the founder of the religion then I don't see how we can converse TBH.

SkyWard20

By "founder" what do you mean? If you mean founder of Islamic Practices, Belief, Law, originator of the Quran etc. etc. so where is the proof for this?

Here.

Muhammad ibn 'Abdullāh(Arabic:5;ح5;د;Transliteration:Muḥammad;[n 1]pronounced[mʊˈħæmmæd](listen); also spelledMuhammedorMohammed)[n 2][n 3](ca. 570/571– June 8, 632),[1](Monday, 12thRabi' al-Awwal, Year 11A.H.) is the founder[n 4]of thereligionofIslam,[2]and is considered byMuslimsto be amessengerandprophetofGod(Arabic: [[Allah|ا4;4;7;]]Allāh), the last law-bearer in a series ofIslamic prophets, and, by most Muslims,[n 5]the last prophet of Islam as taught by theQur'an.[3]Muslims thus consider him the restorer of an uncorrupted originalmonotheisticfaith(islām) ofAdam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesusandother prophets.[4][5][6]He was also active as adiplomat,merchant,philosopher,orator,legislator,reformer,military general, and, according to Muslim belief, an agent of divine action.[7]

And here.

Islam extract from Britannica Online.

Major world religion founded byMuhammadin Arabia in the early 7th centuryAD. The Arabic wordislammeans "surrender"—specifically, surrender to the will of the one God, calledAllahin Arabic. Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion, and its adherents, called Muslims, regard the Prophet Muhammad as the last and most perfect of God's messengers, who includeAdam,Abraham,Moses,

I congratulate you on your ability to copy and paste.

But I asked for proof and evidence showing that this man (pbuh) whom everyone claims wrote the Quran and invented/founded Islam.

Not an extract from Britannica Online.

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

1. He married a women before Aisha (RA). Khadijah (RA) and many after.

2. She was not a "kid" as you would typically see a 9yr-old today - relative to time, place and individual - she hit puberty then the marriage was consumated.

3. As far as the hadith is concerned, it is saheeh, no dispute.

4.In Islam, we follow the absolute law of the nature, puberty. It doesn't matter how old is the person; once you hit puberty, you're an adult according to the law of the nature. Why does the age have to be 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 etc to determine adulthood? Who decides this age? Why don't all the cultures/countries agree on one age?

5. Of-course now, we have the hypocrites, idolators, jews and christians at that time who also hated Islam - why did they not pin-point such an event and make a "big-deal" out of it as people are now? It would've been a big blow, same thing with Abu Lahab. Because she was a adult.

xfxfxfanatikx

1. So what? There's been plenty of dudes that already had a family before they got charged with pedophilia.
2. She was a kid. Period. The early stages of puberty don't instantly make you an adult.
3. Um, alright...
4. And by the definition of most modern laws, he is a pedophile. Plain and simple.
5. I don't know. I don't really care.

1. It proves he had a wife before and wives who were all of different ages after Aisha (RA)

- translating to: he wasn't after "little kids" as the christian missionaries put it.

2. She hit puberty, its a basicfact thata girl becomes a woman when she begins her menstruation cycle.The significance of menstruation that anyone with the slightest familiarity with physiology will tell you is that it is a sign that the girl is being prepared to become a mother. Also as I have mentioned genetics, race and environment do play a role.

3-5.Marriage at the early years of puberty was acceptable in 7th century Arabia asit was the social norm in all Semitic cultures from the Israelites to the Arabs and all nations in between.Now applying your "modern-day laws" to a practice which existed before you and [then to some degree it exists and happens now!] is a rather shallow and weak attempt at trying to hurt the image of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) - refute the Messege - don't attack the Messenger.

(by the way man-made laws change...)

Following:

• It was the norm of the Semitic society in 7th century Arabia to allow pubescent marriages.
• There was no reports of opposition to the Prophet's marriage to `Aishah(R) either from his friends or his enemies.
• Even today, there are cultures who still allow pubescent marriage for their young women.
• She was not a child.

Such claims are based only on conjecture and moral relativism.

We can argue this back and forth all day, but you've still yet to prove me wrong.

700+ posts, posters here like these stuff.

Anyway, muslim or not, she is free to do what she wants, in Islamic world, I can see her receieving some punishment, not death tho ..... people need to understand that cultral differences doesn't mean being ignorant or retarded, I like naked women :P, but it's morally incorrect (posing, porn ....etc) .

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

1. So what? There's been plenty of dudes that already had a family before they got charged with pedophilia.
2. She was a kid. Period. The early stages of puberty don't instantly make you an adult.
3. Um, alright...
4. And by the definition of most modern laws, he is a pedophile. Plain and simple.
5. I don't know. I don't really care.

ColonelVodka

1. It proves he had a wife before and wives who were all of different ages after Aisha (RA)

- translating to: he wasn't after "little kids" as the christian missionaries put it.

2. She hit puberty, its a basicfact thata girl becomes a woman when she begins her menstruation cycle.The significance of menstruation that anyone with the slightest familiarity with physiology will tell you is that it is a sign that the girl is being prepared to become a mother. Also as I have mentioned genetics, race and environment do play a role.

3-5.Marriage at the early years of puberty was acceptable in 7th century Arabia asit was the social norm in all Semitic cultures from the Israelites to the Arabs and all nations in between.Now applying your "modern-day laws" to a practice which existed before you and [then to some degree it exists and happens now!] is a rather shallow and weak attempt at trying to hurt the image of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) - refute the Messege - don't attack the Messenger.

(by the way man-made laws change...)

Following:

• It was the norm of the Semitic society in 7th century Arabia to allow pubescent marriages.
• There was no reports of opposition to the Prophet's marriage to `Aishah(R) either from his friends or his enemies.
• Even today, there are cultures who still allow pubescent marriage for their young women.
• She was not a child.

Such claims are based only on conjecture and moral relativism.

We can argue this back and forth all day, but you've still yet to prove me wrong.

Dude, try to open ur mind a little bit, xfxfxfantiks has provided extremely good argument, he/she explained the issue very well ...... I am a muslim and it bugs me actually, but who am I to judge something I never lived or saw ?! historically it was acceptable ...... I have no idea why you continue to argue.

People would be surprised just how many Muslims hold extremist beliefs like those expressed by the kebab owner, it really isn't a "tiny minority" at all.Memberino

[QUOTE="Memberino"]People would be surprised just how many Muslims hold extremist beliefs like those expressed by the kebab owner, it really isn't a "tiny minority" at all.omho88

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Memberino"]People would be surprised just how many Muslims hold extremist beliefs like those expressed by the kebab owner, it really isn't a "tiny minority" at all.Memberino

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

xfxfxfanatikx

Here.

I cannot support my own argument.

I'm glad. I didn't show you this to prove to you that Muhammad did X beyond a shadow of a doubt, just to reconfirm what you probably already knew: that it's a commonly accepted fact that he founded Islam. I don't think it falls up to me to further back up what is supported by mainstream sources. It's you that has to come up with refuting evidence to have any chance of turning this into a valid dispute ( which you are most likely not able to provide ).

@xfxfxfanatikx:

which society a few hundred years ago? I think you have it quite wrong there - Homosexuality has been around as long as humanity.

Are you saying that we should endulge in all the practices of the last few hundred years, even though we now think them wrong?

Should we all do now what Mohammad did to Aisha back then?

RationalAtheist

People would be surprised just how many Muslims hold extremist beliefs like those expressed by the kebab owner, it really isn't a "tiny minority" at all.Memberino

We can unfortunately say this about many people that have come quite recently from a culture we see as socially repressive. Takes time for people to change.. This isn't condoning this kind of behavior, but acting like its a exclusive to a single group is quite ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Memberino"][QUOTE="omho88"] I dun knw where do you get ur facts from but I am a muslim and I dun agree with him ... I also would like to hear about what you may do if u found out that ur sis is a pornstar for example? just hypothetically.omho88

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

@xfxfxfanatikx:

which society a few hundred years ago? I think you have it quite wrong there - Homosexuality has been around as long as humanity.

Are you saying that we should endulge in all the practices of the last few hundred years, even though we now think them wrong?

Should we all do now what Mohammad did to Aisha back then?

Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

@xfxfxfanatikx:

which society a few hundred years ago? I think you have it quite wrong there - Homosexuality has been around as long as humanity.

Are you saying that we should endulge in all the practices of the last few hundred years, even though we now think them wrong?

Should we all do now what Mohammad did to Aisha back then?

Hexagon_777

:| No, pedophillia deals with a child.. Some one who cannot consent legally, or knows the consquences of their actions.. Homosexuality relationships are between two adults.. That have hte ability consent.

Death threats for posing in a magazine that maybe 14 people worldwide still purchase? Little extreme isn't it.

Hell i'm surprised people even found out about it in order to be offended to the point of making death threats.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

@xfxfxfanatikx:

which society a few hundred years ago? I think you have it quite wrong there - Homosexuality has been around as long as humanity.

Are you saying that we should endulge in all the practices of the last few hundred years, even though we now think them wrong?

Should we all do now what Mohammad did to Aisha back then?

sSubZerOo

:| No, pedophillia deals with a child.. Some one who cannot consent legally, or knows the consquences of their actions.. Homosexuality relationships are between two adults.. That have hte ability consent.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]What he is trying to say is that homosexuality was frowned upon in the past and has become a lot more socially acceptable in the world of today, at least to my knowledge. Yes, it has been around forever, but surely other sexualities have been around forever as well, which includes paedophilia. Going by that, one can safely assume that paedophilia will someday be socially acceptable as well, no? I mean, who would have predicted those many centuries ago that homosexuality would be acceptable in this day and age? They would have laughed and scoffed at you.

Hexagon_777

:| No, pedophillia deals with a child.. Some one who cannot consent legally, or knows the consquences of their actions.. Homosexuality relationships are between two adults.. That have hte ability consent.

:| No there isn't.. Under the law children do not have the ability to consent and are not considered adults.. This will never change and even comparing it to homosexuality will most likely insult quite a few people like Theo.. You can not tell me that two same sex people having a consensual relationship is anything like a 40 year old taking advantage of a 9 year old.. No way in hell are they any where alike.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| No, pedophillia deals with a child.. Some one who cannot consent legally, or knows the consquences of their actions.. Homosexuality relationships are between two adults.. That have hte ability consent.

sSubZerOo

:| No there isn't.. Under the law children do not have the ability to consent and are not considered adults.. This will never change and even comparing it to homosexuality will most likely insult quite a few people like Theo.. You can not tell me that two same sex people having a consensual relationship is anything like a 40 year old taking advantage of a 9 year old.. No way in hell are they any where alike.

yeah i'm still laughing over dudes comment about that not fitting in with his culture so he'd kill her.

comedy gold.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]If she knew anything about her religion, she would have known this would be a terrible ideaKungfuKitten

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]:| It's all about perspective. Times change. There are definitely children who know the consequences of their actions. That is where xfxfxfanatikx's argument made sense. What Birdy09 said makes much more sense as an argument against paedophilia as that is something a child has no control over whatsoever.

Hexagon_777

:| No there isn't.. Under the law children do not have the ability to consent and are not considered adults.. This will never change and even comparing it to homosexuality will most likely insult quite a few people like Theo.. You can not tell me that two same sex people having a consensual relationship is anything like a 40 year old taking advantage of a 9 year old.. No way in hell are they any where alike.

I call it now this thread goes on longer than the osama one

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| No there isn't.. Under the law children do not have the ability to consent and are not considered adults.. This will never change and even comparing it to homosexuality will most likely insult quite a few people like Theo.. You can not tell me that two same sex people having a consensual relationship is anything like a 40 year old taking advantage of a 9 year old.. No way in hell are they any where alike.

curono

[QUOTE="Memberino"]People would be surprised just how many Muslims hold extremist beliefs like those expressed by the kebab owner, it really isn't a "tiny minority" at all.sSubZerOo

We can unfortunately say this about many people that have come quite recently from a culture we see as socially repressive. Takes time for people to change.. This isn't condoning this kind of behavior, but acting like its a exclusive to a single group is quite ridiculous.

Wow this thread is still going,much longer than Osama thread lol

Wow this thread is still going,much longer than Osama thread lol

Zensword

[QUOTE="Zensword"]

Wow this thread is still going,much longer than Osama thread lol

Birdy09

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Memberino"]People would be surprised just how many Muslims hold extremist beliefs like those expressed by the kebab owner, it really isn't a "tiny minority" at all.HNNNGH

We can unfortunately say this about many people that have come quite recently from a culture we see as socially repressive. Takes time for people to change.. This isn't condoning this kind of behavior, but acting like its a exclusive to a single group is quite ridiculous.

I wasn't really directing it towards you, as more of a generalized statement. Apologies.

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

1. It proves he had a wife before and wives who were all of different ages after Aisha (RA)

- translating to: he wasn't after "little kids" as the christian missionaries put it.

2. She hit puberty, its a basicfact thata girl becomes a woman when she begins her menstruation cycle.The significance of menstruation that anyone with the slightest familiarity with physiology will tell you is that it is a sign that the girl is being prepared to become a mother. Also as I have mentioned genetics, race and environment do play a role.

3-5.Marriage at the early years of puberty was acceptable in 7th century Arabia asit was the social norm in all Semitic cultures from the Israelites to the Arabs and all nations in between.Now applying your "modern-day laws" to a practice which existed before you and [then to some degree it exists and happens now!] is a rather shallow and weak attempt at trying to hurt the image of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) - refute the Messege - don't attack the Messenger.

(by the way man-made laws change...)

Following:

• It was the norm of the Semitic society in 7th century Arabia to allow pubescent marriages.
• There was no reports of opposition to the Prophet's marriage to `Aishah(R) either from his friends or his enemies.
• Even today, there are cultures who still allow pubescent marriage for their young women.
• She was not a child.

Such claims are based only on conjecture and moral relativism.

omho88

We can argue this back and forth all day, but you've still yet to prove me wrong.

Dude, try to open ur mind a little bit, xfxfxfantiks has provided extremely good argument, he/she explained the issue very well ...... I am a muslim and it bugs me actually, but who am I to judge something I never lived or saw ?! historically it was acceptable ...... I have no idea why you continue to argue.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

Wow this thread is still going,much longer than Osama thread lol

HNNNGH

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

1. No one claimed that he was solely a pedophile. Still, his other marriages don't exempt him from the fact that he had sex with a child.
2. A female child does not become an adult until her body has fully matured. The menstrual cycle doesn't begin until they're 8 to 13 years old. In any case, they are NOT considered adults; they are either a child or pre-teen/teenager, by any remotely sane definition.
3. It doesn't matter. Pedophilia is sex with a child, regardless of the time period, and whether it's socially acceptable or not. It is what it is.

We can argue this back and forth all day, but you've still yet to prove me wrong.

ColonelVodka

Dude, try to open ur mind a little bit, xfxfxfantiks has provided extremely good argument, he/she explained the issue very well ...... I am a muslim and it bugs me actually, but who am I to judge something I never lived or saw ?! historically it was acceptable ...... I have no idea why you continue to argue.

Liking how people defend the action by saying 'it was acceptable at the time'. Does not make the action any better.

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[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

1. No one claimed that he was solely a pedophile. Still, his other marriages don't exempt him from the fact that he had sex with a child.
2. A female child does not become an adult until her body has fully matured. The menstrual cycle doesn't begin until they're 8 to 13 years old. In any case, they are NOT considered adults; they are either a child or pre-teen/teenager, by any remotely sane definition.
3. It doesn't matter. Pedophilia is sex with a child, regardless of the time period, and whether it's socially acceptable or not. It is what it is.

We can argue this back and forth all day, but you've still yet to prove me wrong.

ColonelVodka

Dude, try to open ur mind a little bit, xfxfxfantiks has provided extremely good argument, he/she explained the issue very well ...... I am a muslim and it bugs me actually, but who am I to judge something I never lived or saw ?! historically it was acceptable ...... I have no idea why you continue to argue.

"Sigh" ...... you are too superficial to understand the point of the arguement, well, another ignorant man won't change the world.