Muslim Woman poses for Playboy, Receives Death Threats

[QUOTE="Jak-25"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Im not offended im just pointing out that that video has the same hate that he is talking about towards westerners, and stereotyping us all. claiming that he is right in absolution, this part of the topic needed to die ages ago, ff fanatik has derailed the thread.

I can see to some degree why your religion states that alcohol is sinful. it harms many, but brings joy to many. your religion seems to work in absolutes instead of simply just preaching self control ( the woman covering up to avoid rape issue that has been brought up already.) The topic is about this woman, and your religeon would deem it wrong, so would most others, but then, religeon only guides our countries now, it doesnt dominate and enforce.

what harm is there in nudity to anything? why is our natural body an insult to us outside of the bedroom/close family? Some justification would be nice, why are you taught that it is sinful? are there passages that elaborate? otherwise I cant see much reason to listen to an unjustified law.

Birdy09

Well, islam forbids sex outside of marriage, Islam also forbids anything that can lead to it. Also, Islam tells us to be modest.

{ And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily,it is aFahishah[i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], andan evil way)

[Surah Israa' 17:32]

i know what you're thinking. you saw something on the news that conflicts with what i said (honor killings, maybe forced marriage?). neither of those belong in islam, they are dragged from ancient cultures which people refuse to let go. word of warning: you will see things about islam on tv and on the news and you should understand not all of those things are islamic. people tend to get confused about culture and islam and will spew out culture under the label of islam. for outsiders this is very difficult to understand and often causes misunderstandings.

i hope i've gotten you a centimetre closer to understanding islam. if i haven't, that's ok, neither of us hangs in the balance of life and death.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

[QUOTE="Jak-25"]

Well, islam forbids sex outside of marriage, Islam also forbids anything that can lead to it. Also, Islam tells us to be modest.

{ And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily,it is aFahishah[i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], andan evil way)

[Surah Israa' 17:32]

Kh1ndjal

i know what you're thinking. you saw something on the news that conflicts with what i said (honor killings, maybe forced marriage?). neither of those belong in islam, they are dragged from ancient cultures which people refuse to let go. word of warning: you will see things about islam on tv and on the news and you should understand not all of those things are islamic. people tend to get confused about culture and islam and will spew out culture under the label of islam. for outsiders this is very difficult to understand and often causes misunderstandings.

i hope i've gotten you a centimetre closer to understanding islam. if i haven't, that's ok, neither of us hangs in the balance of life and death.

ccording to Islamic defenders here, in the time of the prophet (let me know if im suppose to say peace be with him as an outsider or not, im completely ignorant to it) a 9 year old wife was ok, but it isnt now? if this kind of cultural judgement is reformable why arnt other acts? I drink alcohol a few times a week, I have sex before Im married, yet im in a long term relationship and do no harm to no one, in the eyes of said religion I am sinful, in some countries (my only real knowledge is of countries like Brunei admittedly) I would be prosecuted heavily for both. Being damned for world objects and actions that result in nothing but entertainment and effection/pleasure (with the latter) towards my partner means that I am damned for eternity? What kind of tyrant is god?

Heroic girl taking the first step. Her sacrifice will be documented. It is because of these people's hard sacrifice paved a more tolleratable world for the future. magicalclick

Getting naked to show your parents you're a bad girl, is not heroic.

That's like saying Paris Hilton is heroic for being a stupid spoiled whore.

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]Heroic girl taking the first step. Her sacrifice will be documented. It is because of these people's hard sacrifice paved a more tolleratable world for the future. m25105

Getting naked to show your parents you're a bad girl, is not heroic.

That's like saying Paris Hilton is heroic for being a stupid spoiled whore.

That's subjective. Since when did posing nude for playboy make a person a bad girl?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]Heroic girl taking the first step. Her sacrifice will be documented. It is because of these people's hard sacrifice paved a more tolleratable world for the future. DroidPhysX

Getting naked to show your parents you're a bad girl, is not heroic.

That's like saying Paris Hilton is heroic for being a stupid spoiled whore.

That's also subjective as well. Since when did posing nude for playboy make a person a bad girl?

Since when did it make you a good girl, you think any parent would be happy about having the world see their daughter naked?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Getting naked to show your parents you're a bad girl, is not heroic.

That's like saying Paris Hilton is heroic for being a stupid spoiled whore.

m25105

That's also subjective as well. Since when did posing nude for playboy make a person a bad girl?

Since when did it make you a good girl, you think any parent would be happy about having the world see their daughter naked?

Never claimed it did. You on the other hand claimed it made a girl a bad person. Speaking of which, when did posing nude make a girl a bad person?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

That's also subjective as well. Since when did posing nude for playboy make a person a bad girl?

DroidPhysX

Since when did it make you a good girl, you think any parent would be happy about having the world see their daughter naked?

Never claimed it did. You on the other hand claimed it made a girl a bad person. Speaking of which, when did posing nude make a girl a bad person?

Makes you a bad person for letting everyone see you naked, very unfair to a future life partner. And very disrespectful to ones parents.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Since when did it make you a good girl, you think any parent would be happy about having the world see their daughter naked?

m25105

Never claimed it did. You on the other hand claimed it made a girl a bad person. Speaking of which, when did posing nude make a girl a bad person?

Makes you a bad person for letting everyone see you naked, very unfair to a future life partner. And very disrespectful to ones parents.

Is this a personal opinion?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Never claimed it did. You on the other hand claimed it made a girl a bad person. Speaking of which, when did posing nude make a girl a bad person?

DroidPhysX

Makes you a bad person for letting everyone see you naked, very unfair to a future life partner. And very disrespectful to ones parents.

Is this a personal opinion?

Yes and no, it's my opinion but also represent millions of people (I'd even go so far and say billions).

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Makes you a bad person for letting everyone see you naked, very unfair to a future life partner. And very disrespectful to ones parents.

m25105

Is this a personal opinion?

Yes and no, it's my opinion but also represent millions of people (I'd even go so far and say billions).

And what do these people do/read that makes them share this opnion? What do they follow?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Is this a personal opinion?

DroidPhysX

Yes and no, it's my opinion but also represent millions of people (I'd even go so far and say billions).

And what do these people do/read that makes them share this opnion? What do they follow?

Conservative family values.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Yes and no, it's my opinion but also represent millions of people (I'd even go so far and say billions).

m25105

And what do these people do/read that makes them share this opnion? What do they follow?

Conservative family values.

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

And what do these people do/read that makes them share this opnion? What do they follow?

DroidPhysX

Conservative family values.

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

It's objective for me and people that think like, if you're not bothered that your daughter would strip naked and expose herself to millions of strangers, good for you. Doesn't mean we would like it.

If I, God willing get a daughter, I would want her to become a strong woman that values herself and not flaunt her sexuality like a cheap product. If she later on stars in some nude photo session, then she would be basically spitting on her own father and mother and help objectify women as objects. So yes that in my view is an objective thought why she's a bad person.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Never claimed it did. You on the other hand claimed it made a girl a bad person. Speaking of which, when did posing nude make a girl a bad person?

m25105

Makes you a bad person for letting everyone see you naked, very unfair to a future life partner. And very disrespectful to ones parents.

Hell if my daughter had a hot body like that...I would understand. I wouldn't encourage it and I wouldn't look at the magazine, but yeah...big deal. Who cares if others see her naked. Its not like she has three breasts. Conservative family values my ***! you want women to be your property.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Conservative family values.

m25105

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

It's objective for me and people that think like, if you're not bothered that your daughter would strip naked and expose herself to millions of strangers, good for you. Doesn't mean we would like it.

If I, God willing get a daughter, I would want her to become a strong woman that values herself and not flaunt her sexuality like a cheap product. If she later on stars in some nude photo session, then she would be basically spitting on her own father and mother and help objectify women as objects. So yes that in my view is an objective thought why she's a bad person.

I have a slight suspision that you don't know what objective means. I can tell you, its not what you think it means.

You can't say in my objective veiw. The moment you say it, it becomes subjective.

Nice logical arguement there man. Good job. Only in OT, I tell you...

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Conservative family values.

m25105

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

It's objective for me and people that think like, if you're not bothered that your daughter would strip naked and expose herself to millions of strangers, good for you. Doesn't mean we would like it.

If I, God willing get a daughter, I would want her to become a strong woman that values herself and not flaunt her sexuality like a cheap product. If she later on stars in some nude photo session, then she would be basically spitting on her own father and mother and help objectify women as objects. So yes that in my view is an objective thought why she's a bad person.

I never gave my opinion on whether I'd be bothered.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Never claimed it did. You on the other hand claimed it made a girl a bad person. Speaking of which, when did posing nude make a girl a bad person?

PRowcester

Makes you a bad person for letting everyone see you naked, very unfair to a future life partner. And very disrespectful to ones parents.

Hell if my daughter had a hot body like that...I would understand. I wouldn't encourage it and I wouldn't look at the magazine, but yeah...big deal. Who cares if others see her naked. Its not like she has three breasts. Conservative family values my ***! you want women to be your property.

Nope and you have quite the audacity to pretend you know me. But apperently in your world if you don't support women behaving like sluts, you're a sexist?

See, I can throw accusations out too.

They should be focusing on something else. :oops:

:3

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

And what do these people do/read that makes them share this opnion? What do they follow?

Conservative family values.

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

Nope and you have quite the audacity to pretend you know me. But apperently in your world if you don't support women behaving like sluts, you're a sexist?

See, I can throw accusations out too.

m25105

That's actually not the definition of a woman posing naked. Just because someone is posing naked for playboy doesn't make them that

Nope and you have quite the audacity to pretend you know me. But apperently in your world if you don't support women behaving like sluts, you're a sexist?

See, I can throw accusations out too.

m25105

Ahh...so women who don't believe your in code of ethics are "sluts"?

Then according to me and the religion I just made up, anyone who covers themselves from head to toe so that men won't see their faces are freaks. There...

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Nope and you have quite the audacity to pretend you know me. But apperently in your world if you don't support women behaving like sluts, you're a sexist?

See, I can throw accusations out too.

DroidPhysX

That's actually not the definition of a woman posing naked. Just because someone is posing naked for playboy doesn't make them that

My point flew over your head it seems.

His point (which was wrong, since he has no clue on how I treat women) was that I wanted women as objects because I don't want them to expose themselves to the public, my point (which was intentionally wrong, to mock him) was that if you didn't support women behaving like sexual objects then you are a sexist.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Nope and you have quite the audacity to pretend you know me. But apperently in your world if you don't support women behaving like sluts, you're a sexist?

See, I can throw accusations out too.

PRowcester

Ahh...so women who don't believe your in code of ethics are "sluts"?

Then according to me and the religion I just made up, anyone who covers themselves from head to toe so that men won't see their faces are freaks. There...

For all your attempts to belittle me you can't see a simple point without me explaining it in detail.

I don't understand why in today's society why we make the human body such a shameful thing .Just because someone poses nude doesn't make them a terrible person .

I wanted women as objects because I don't want them to expose themselves to the public

m25105

Who are you to want or not want anything? you say you don't objectify women, yet you have these rules which they should follow. Seems to me like you got some good brainwashing going on there man.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Nope and you have quite the audacity to pretend you know me. But apperently in your world if you don't support women behaving like sluts, you're a sexist?

See, I can throw accusations out too.

PRowcester

That's actually not the definition of a woman posing naked. Just because someone is posing naked for playboy doesn't make them that

you don't have a chance dude. guy is brainwashed. One can only hope he doesn't procreate.

Only one brainwashed here is you, you judge fast and refuse to understand and you certainly can't seem to spot sarcasm even when it's laid out infront of you.

I don't understand why in today's society why we make the human body such a shameful thing .Just because someone poses nude doesn't make them a terrible person .

raiden509

try telling that to "Mr. Virtuous+Conservative Family Values" here. He has some rules which women have to follow or else they are sluts. Man...humanity needs to grow up.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

I wanted women as objects because I don't want them to expose themselves to the public

PRowcester

Who are you to want or not want anything? you say you don't objectify women, yet you have these rules which they should follow. Seems to me like you got some good brainwashing going on there man.

Seems like to me, I just have morals.

you judge fast

m25105

Call me anything you want. Seriously. Go ahead. Don't call me judgemental. Especially when it comes to women and human rights.

I support every woman's wish to be naked without presecution! And I support gay rights. Which your awesome religion and family values don't. So in my objective opinion, they are bad and evil. :P

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Conservative family values.

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

So you guys think that a person showing themselves naked is a moral thing? :?

[QUOTE="PRowcester"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

I wanted women as objects because I don't want them to expose themselves to the public

m25105

Who are you to want or not want anything? you say you don't objectify women, yet you have these rules which they should follow. Seems to me like you got some good brainwashing going on there man.

Seems like to me, I just have morals.

Morals are completely subjective. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like he/she does not have any morals.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

you judge fast

PRowcester

Call me anything you want. Seriously. Go ahead. Don't call me judgemental. Especially when it comes to women and human rights.

I support every woman's wish to be naked without presecution! And I support gay rights. Which your awesome religion and family values don't. So in my objective opinion, they are bad and evil. :P

I am going to call you judgemental, since you judged that I wanted women to be like my personal objects, without even knowing how I treat the women I am with or been with.

There are billions of people around the world, that have conservative family values and love their wives and daughters, only wanting them to do well.

You don't seem to understand this mentality and instead of trying to understand it or be indifferent about it, you're chosing to mock them and judge them by your own standards.

If anyone is brainwashed here, it's you and your own overinflated sense of opinion.

So you guys think that a person showing themselves naked is a moral thing? :?

Jak-25

Do you think eating burgers is a moral thing? do you think drinking coffee in the morning is a moral thing? Do you think writing with your left hand is a moral thing? Do you think posing nude is a moral thing?

See? I see nothing "immoral" about any of those.

I don't encourage it. I only step in when people bring their morality into the picture. For or against.

If someone said, all women should pose naked, I would oppose that too (only the hot ones should ! :P )

But seriously, extremisim in one form or another - I oppose.

Especially when you are rubbing your morality in my face, like a tea bagger!

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

Birdy09

I'm sure people that rub themselves over her pictures will think of how brave she is for breaking the norm.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="PRowcester"]

Who are you to want or not want anything? you say you don't objectify women, yet you have these rules which they should follow. Seems to me like you got some good brainwashing going on there man.

DroidPhysX

Seems like to me, I just have morals.

Morals are completely subjective. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like he/she does not have any morals.

Certainly not strong family morals.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Didn't the woman in question specifically mention that a big factor in doing this was to rebel against the childhood inhibitor of her parent's culture? I would say, in this instance, it would appear that her reasonings were largely in part on being a "bad girl" at least to the above. She can do what she wants, and should since she deals with the consenquences, but I think you are on the wrong side of the thought process on this particular case.m25105

I'm sure people that rub themselves over her pictures will think of how brave she is for breaking the norm.

Seems to me like you are the pervert here man! Who even talked about rubbing themselves!!

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Seems like to me, I just have morals.

m25105

Morals are completely subjective. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like he/she does not have any morals.

Certainly not strong family morals.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Seems like to me, I just have morals.

m25105

Morals are completely subjective. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like he/she does not have any morals.

Certainly not strong family morals.

Ohh....so you know this women and THEN judged her right? I mean...you spent time with her and got to know her, and then declared her a slut right? Not just randomly spreading your morality on the internet right?

See...you are no better than anyone else man.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] She didnt like the conservative ways forced upon her, so she went and did something that questioned the neccessity of such conservative inforcement. Its funny, someone is praised for thier brains, or other talents, yet being beuatiful and showing it off is somehow treated differently, all of which are largely down to gene pool, a dull person cant be a genius, is that genius vain?PRowcester

I'm sure people that rub themselves over her pictures will think of how brave she is for breaking the norm.

Seems to me like you are the pervert here man! Who even talked about rubbing themselves!!

People buy Playboy for the articles, I'm sure.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Morals are completely subjective. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like he/she does not have any morals.

PRowcester

Certainly not strong family morals.

Ohh....so you know this women and THEN judged her right? I mean...you spent time with her and got to know her, and then declared her a slut right? Not just randomly spreading your morality on the internet right?

See...you are no better than anyone else man.

Well I have photographical evidence (and an article) of her that shows me that she has no strong family morals. You however have no clue what kind of person I am.

So you guys think that a person showing themselves naked is a moral thing? :?

Jak-25

[QUOTE="PRowcester"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Certainly not strong family morals.

m25105

Ohh....so you know this women and THEN judged her right? I mean...you spent time with her and got to know her, and then declared her a slut right? Not just randomly spreading your morality on the internet right?

See...you are no better than anyone else man.

Well I have photographical evidence (and an article) of her that shows me that she has no strong family morals. You however have no clue what kind of person I am.

She has no strong family morals because she posed nude for playboy?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="PRowcester"]

Ohh....so you know this women and THEN judged her right? I mean...you spent time with her and got to know her, and then declared her a slut right? Not just randomly spreading your morality on the internet right?

See...you are no better than anyone else man.

DroidPhysX

Well I have photographical evidence (and an article) of her that shows me that she has no strong family morals. You however have no clue what kind of person I am.

She has no strong family morals because she posed nude for playboy?

Yup, cause she's clearly disrespecting her parents.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

So it's still an opinion. It's not an objective thought.

Birdy09

Oh, I do not care about the act itself. I just find it "funny" how she herself admitted she did it cause of her childhood and parents. We can mince words all we want but she basically wanted to show her parents her body. Hey, that is fine too. I am just saying that if those rules growing up binded her as a child then I guess the bitterness binds her to strip to get back at her parents. Strip cause you just think you are hot. Strip because you get off on the kink of people getting off on you as well.

Many reasons to do it for yourself. As far as I can see the only debate worthy material here is that she did it for her parents. I find that somewhat funny and disturbing! Especially since I gather that she could find no other way to do it better. Also, no, I do not concede that trying to shock/torment/showup someone else as a "for yourself" reason to do something. Well, not a productive reason but people do strange stuff all over the world no?

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[QUOTE="m25105"]

Well I have photographical evidence (and an article) of her that shows me that she has no strong family morals. You however have no clue what kind of person I am.

m25105

She has no strong family morals because she posed nude for playboy?

Yup, cause she's clearly disrespecting her parents.

How is this classified as disrespectful? Who determines what is disrespectful and what isn't?