Muslim Woman poses for Playboy, Receives Death Threats

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Does it only apply to women? If a man does a topless aftershave add is he a slut/whore also?

Omni-Slash

Well that'd be a bit hard to tell if he were only topless wouldn't it?worlock77

Either this woman is extremely ignorant of her faith. Or she is just trying to gain attention and not truly a follower....Awesome-Possum

Or... she isn't fanatical about it?

[QUOTE="bacon_is_sweet"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"] That is so harsh an opinion I'm having trouble reading it.tenaka2

Regardless of how you wanna spin it, yea its pretty much true. Hot though :P

Does it only apply to women? If a man does a topless aftershave add is he a slut/whore also?

No, because society defines the word. A man topless is not defined as a slut by society thus he is not one.

[QUOTE="Zyrokin"]

theone- Dude, you seriously don't understand a word I am saying. Not surprising, as I am saying that the people who say they would kill her are freaking morons, and that goes against what you think. Is it really that black and white to you? I mean, seriously, I totally dig the fact that this chick is brave, and hot. But, it doesn't excuse the fact that people that threaten her life or think she should die for it are morons. Period.

theone86

And you're not understanding a word I'm saying. I never said they weren't morons and I never tried to excuse their behavior. What I'm saying is that it's wrong for us to sit in our little bubble of wetern culture and go, "look at those barbarians, criticizing women for taking their clothes off, a westerner has NEVER done that before." We have to understand cultural progression, we have to have a sense that all cultures go through this, and instead of disparaging the entire culture writ large we should be applauding this woman for trying to affect change.

only muslim (extreme....not so extreme or whatever).. guys would see a gorgeous half naked female and the first thing they would think is that the need to kill her....Omni-Slash

No there are quite a few cultures.. In india they wanted to throw Richard Gere in prison for kissing a Indian actor on live tv at a rally.. Pretty sure he got some death threats too.. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the exact same thing with really any religion.. We have crazies in every denomination.. She should do what we do to them all, give them a big middle finger every time they speak.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Zyrokin"]

theone- Dude, you seriously don't understand a word I am saying. Not surprising, as I am saying that the people who say they would kill her are freaking morons, and that goes against what you think. Is it really that black and white to you? I mean, seriously, I totally dig the fact that this chick is brave, and hot. But, it doesn't excuse the fact that people that threaten her life or think she should die for it are morons. Period.

Harkat95

And you're not understanding a word I'm saying. I never said they weren't morons and I never tried to excuse their behavior. What I'm saying is that it's wrong for us to sit in our little bubble of wetern culture and go, "look at those barbarians, criticizing women for taking their clothes off, a westerner has NEVER done that before." We have to understand cultural progression, we have to have a sense that all cultures go through this, and instead of disparaging the entire culture writ large we should be applauding this woman for trying to affect change.

Only by 500 years.. The fact of the matter is when we look at the west.. And if you look at Middle Eastern culture from 1900 to 1950 alot of it was quite progressive.. Iran for instance during that time had a publically elected president that was popular and of a secular mind..

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]A combination of extremists and a girl with very poor judgement skills.bobcheeseball

I don't see how it's poor judgement. People she has never met should be able to dictate what she does in life?

She lives in Germany.

No one should have to be afraid of doing something that is well within their rights, regardless of what extremist X says. Just how far away do you have to get from jihadists?

I'd prefer to see her without all the makeup on. She kind of looks like a sexier Sandra Bullock...:P

It saddens me how we are the only species on this planet that will kill each other for something as trivial as posing nude for a magazine. Or being nude in general. Calling our women sluts and stuff. If we were supposedly created nude, why are we so ashamed of it? I don't see a dog attacking another dog because his wang is smaller. Or a female wolf getting killed for strutting her stuff around the pack...

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Zyrokin"]

theone- Dude, you seriously don't understand a word I am saying. Not surprising, as I am saying that the people who say they would kill her are freaking morons, and that goes against what you think. Is it really that black and white to you? I mean, seriously, I totally dig the fact that this chick is brave, and hot. But, it doesn't excuse the fact that people that threaten her life or think she should die for it are morons. Period.

Harkat95

And you're not understanding a word I'm saying. I never said they weren't morons and I never tried to excuse their behavior. What I'm saying is that it's wrong for us to sit in our little bubble of wetern culture and go, "look at those barbarians, criticizing women for taking their clothes off, a westerner has NEVER done that before." We have to understand cultural progression, we have to have a sense that all cultures go through this, and instead of disparaging the entire culture writ large we should be applauding this woman for trying to affect change.

I've been given death threats online too.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I've been given death threats online too.FortuneInLies

Really. wtf is wrong with these people

Thats a muslim?!

Thats a muslim?!

TehFuneral

Most likely not.

I give her credit for having the balls to do that. I support individaulism and people should be able what they want to be. It's ok to disagree but you can't shove your opinions down someones throat. If we are all the same and all have the same beliefs it would be a boring world. We need change to spice things up.

EDIT: Did I forget to mention that she's really hot?:P

if they're so conservative, why would they have been looking at playboy in the first place?

if they're so conservative, why would they have been looking at playboy in the first place?

_R34LiTY_

Cause the media reported that she had been in Playboy. And when you shop in a kiosk, there is a chance that you might get a glance at the Playboy magazine.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

if they're so conservative, why would they have been looking at playboy in the first place?

m25105

Cause the media reported that she had been in Playboy. And when you shop in a kiosk, there is a chance that you might get a glance at the Playboy magazine.

And this is when they think their religion tells them that this is wrong and that she should die

Islam sure is violent...

Islam sure is violent...

DaJuicyMan

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

Islam sure is violent...

DroidPhysX

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

It doesn't suit you cause it's true, huh?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

Islam sure is violent...

m25105

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

It doesn't suit you cause it's true, huh?

I dont remember you answering my question from yesterday:

What religion does this culture operate under?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

DroidPhysX

It doesn't suit you cause it's true, huh?

I dont remember you answering my question from yesterday:

What religion does this culture operate under?

And I said I won't play your games. You're looking for the obvious answer to your question so you can spin it. Honour killings happens in non islamic countries like India too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Wow, that is quite shocking. Despite being born into her religion I seriously doubt she practices (since she is posing for Playboy) meaning it really shouldn't matter. It's her life too, let her live it how she wants.fabz_95

Says who? I don't see why this position she took (or several :P)would some how mean she isn't a Muslim..

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

Islam sure is violent...

DroidPhysX

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

It is this kind of mindset that really hurts Islam on the world stage. foxhound_fox

Exactly. And then Muslims wonder why Islam has bad rep around the world.

They can say Islam is a tolerant, peaceful religion all they want butas long as there are violences like this (death threats),Muslims still havea tough time convince people to think otherwise.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

Islam sure is violent...

DaJuicyMan

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

She's a soap opera star in a series that's quite big in Germany, she makes more than enough money. Her little rebel stunt (even comparing herself to Che Guevara (spelling?)) shows her ignorance, she just wanted to be a bad girl and stick it to her parents. Well good for her, her parents according to the articles have cut off all contact and she's hated by almost every Turk for dishonouring her people, her family and even her religion (though I sincerely doubt she's a muslim).

And honour killing is something that's ingrained in culture, even before Islam took root in the middle east, honour killing was obvious, but leave it to the religion haters, to spin it so it can suit their agenda.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It is this kind of mindset that really hurts Islam on the world stage. Zensword

Exactly. And then Muslims wonder why Islam has bad rep around the world.

:| I am quite sure most Muslims understand this image.. The peaceful ones in the United States just don't understand why they are labeled as violent.. Islam is a religion of 1.4 billion people.. To make this stereotype would be like me claiming that all Catholics are either pedophiles or pedophile defenders/condoners etc etc..

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Best be prepared for the culture arguement.

She's a soap opera star in a series that's quite big in Germany, she makes more than enough money. Her little rebel stung (even comparing herself to Che Guevara (spelling?)) shows her ignorance, she just wanted to be a bad girl and stick it to her parents. Well good for her, her parents according to the articles have cut off all contact and she's hated by almost every Turk for dishonouring her people, her family and even her religion (though I sincerely doubt she's a muslim).

And honour killing is something that's ingrained in culture, even before Islam took root in the middle east, honour killing was obvious, but leave it to the religion haters, to spin it so it can suit their agenda.

[QUOTE="Zensword"]

It is this kind of mindset that really hurts Islam on the world stage. foxhound_fox

Exactly. And then Muslims wonder why Islam has bad rep around the world.

:| I am quite sure most Muslims understand this image.. The peaceful ones in the United States just don't understand why they are labeled as violent.. Islam is a religion of 1.4 billion people.. To make this stereotype would be like me claiming that all Catholics are either pedophiles or pedophile defenders/condoners etc etc..

So a bunch of Turks are fretting over this because a German chick of Turkish descent decided to expose herself. I see.

[QUOTE="Zensword"]

Exactly. And then Muslims wonder why Islam has bad rep around the world.

:| I am quite sure most Muslims understand this image.. The peaceful ones in the United States just don't understand why they are labeled as violent.. Islam is a religion of 1.4 billion people.. To make this stereotype would be like me claiming that all Catholics are either pedophiles or pedophile defenders/condoners etc etc..

Here's a good occasion for her to switch to Christianity.Crimsader

Those fanatics still have a good reason to send death threats because she dares to abandon her Islam faith.

I'm a Muslim guy, and I could honestly care less what she does....

A kebab shop owner, asked on German TV what he would do if Sila were his daughter, replied: "I would kill her. I really mean that. That doesn't fit with my culture."

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So, killing his daughter who poses for Playboy fits his culture. I see. :D

[QUOTE="fabz_95"]Wow, that is quite shocking. Despite being born into her religion I seriously doubt she practices (since she is posing for Playboy) meaning it really shouldn't matter. It's her life too, let her live it how she wants.sSubZerOo

Says who? I don't see why this position she took (or several :P)would some how mean she isn't a Muslim..

Thats has 6k likes on facebook 0_o, also its stupid to send death threats i dont care what religion you are people have free will to do what they want

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="fabz_95"]Wow, that is quite shocking. Despite being born into her religion I seriously doubt she practices (since she is posing for Playboy) meaning it really shouldn't matter. It's her life too, let her live it how she wants.fabz_95

Says who? I don't see why this position she took (or several :P)would some how mean she isn't a Muslim..

Why you assume she's not a practicing Muslim just because she did that ? Does the Qur'an forbid female Muslims to pose for PlayBoy ?

[QUOTE="fabz_95"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Says who? I don't see why this position she took (or several :P)would some how mean she isn't a Muslim..

Zensword

Why you assume she's not a practicing Muslim just because she did that ? Does the Qur'an forbid female Muslims to pose for PlayBoy ?

The Quran teaches Muslims to dress modestly.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"] Being a Muslim woman she should have enough knowledge of the religion that it heavily advocates modesty, and even more importantly how crazy radicals in the religion respond to this kind of thing. I don't think she thought this one through very well, unless of course she couldn't care less about the death threats.CreasianDevaili

Again, it isn't random muslim mens place to tell a person living in Germany what to do. Nor should anyone restrain themselves out of fear. I'm glad she did what she did. No one should kowtow to extremists.

of course we act shocked. I for one refuse to accept that we live in a world that accepts, or even understands, why people who do questionable-but-ultimately-harmless things (pose nude as a muslim, draw a cartoon of Muhammad, burn the Quran, etc) get killed, beaten, kidnapped, raped, stoned to death, etc.

She took a risk, sure, but the penalty for that should be "oh, she was asking for death, no suprise she got beheaded". It should be, at most, to be an outcast in her old neighborhood or something.

The Quran teaches Muslims to dress modestly.

m25105

Modestly is merely a point of view. Different sects of Muslims have different views on "modesty". Someone in the Taliban probably wouldn't find what women in Turkey wear to be modest.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

The Quran teaches Muslims to dress modestly.

HoolaHoopMan

Modestly is merely a point of view. Different sects of Muslims have different views on "modesty". Someone in the Taliban probably wouldn't find what women in Turkey wear to be modest.

Yes. There are many intepretations of what "dressing modestly" means. I saw many Palestinian girls wearing t-shirts and jeans, and they dont have to wear veils like those in Saudi Arabia but they're still considered practicing Muslims.