my faith doesn't disprove science

• Are you trying to force religion on me, you cultist?

Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older.huladog123

I stopped reading here, just like I do every time I see that line in a post.

• Are you trying to force religion on me, you cultist?

Mutatedbloodelf

"Use common sense! What would you choose!"

If you think that there is some magical palace floating in the clouds, and some other place ruled by a half-man half-minotaur you obviously aren't using common sense. :|

Every religion is a lie! Mutatedbloodelf

Nobody knows... And your arrogance isn't very Christian.wemhim

Religion is a way of life used to explain the unknowable and bring about a positive state of mind and have a compassionate sense towards others. Science is a way of explaining the absolute and completely knowable.foxhound_fox

I call them: guidelines.

"Use common sense! What would you choose!"

If you think that there is some magical palace floating in the clouds, and some other place ruled by a half-man half-minotaur you obviously aren't using common sense. :|

chrisrooR

"Use common sense! What would you choose!"

If you think that there is some magical palace floating in the clouds, and some other place ruled by a half-man half-minotaur you obviously aren't using common sense. :|

chrisrooR

what do you mean by arrogance? I'm not being arrogant. I even said that i love science, it's just that not all of science is true.huladog123

First of all, both evolution and the big bang are regarded as fact among scientist, the literal interperatation of genesis has been disproven long ago, you can accept that, or continue to live in denial.

also, you seem to be forgeting that you go to hell if Islam is the correct religion.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Nobody knows... And your arrogance isn't very Christian.huladog123

Please stop prostelytizing and abusing science here; it's not a venue that is going to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you. I have to wonder about your motivation :(xaos

[QUOTE="Mutatedbloodelf"]Every religion is a lie! wemhim

God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!huladog123

Seems like an emotive argument based on your wants rather than a truthful argument based on reality

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Nobody knows... And your arrogance isn't very Christian.huladog123

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

"Use common sense! What would you choose!"

If you think that there is some magical palace floating in the clouds, and some other place ruled by a half-man half-minotaur you obviously aren't using common sense. :|

wemhim

"a land that floweth with milk and honey." (Deuteronomy 26:15)"

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

[QUOTE="xaos"]Please stop prostelytizing and abusing science here; it's not a venue that is going to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you. I have to wonder about your motivation :(huladog123

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

"Use common sense! What would you choose!"

If you think that there is some magical palace floating in the clouds, and some other place ruled by a half-man half-minotaur you obviously aren't using common sense. :|

chrisrooR

"a land that floweth with milk and honey." (Deuteronomy 26:15)"

You guys don't understand what I'm trying to say! You think that I'm trying to prove that I'm right, science is wrong, and that I know everything. Well you are absolutely wrong. If you aren't thinking this, then you're probably thinking something similar. I'm trying to tell you that there is a way out of hell and eternal punishment! There is a way to spend eternity in a place of peace and life with God. No, it's not magical, and it's completely different from any other afterlifes that are perceived in a pagan religion.huladog123

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existenceis indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

To disprove you I will need to see the historical records dating back to Day 1, year 1, 00:00:01.

I think that at the end of the day, creation doesnt matter. We can use science to benefit us, eg medicine and efficient energy, and religion, however accurate, gives us the moral guidelines, eg should we abort babies.

It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus was ressurected, what does matter is if you believe in his principles. It doesnt matter if all religion is proved untrue, we can still base or morals on fictional characters, eg Shuuya Nanaharu(Hes in Battle Royal) can belive theres good in everyone, thats not so false, so can I.

Who cares wether Moses is real, as long as you obey the ten commandments, only obeying them because you want to instead of fear of hell.

And in the end if GOd's the type of person who doesnt care if i live my life well, do unto others what i would they to me, place others before myself and all that, as long as i dont recognise his existence he'll send me to hell, then im not sure i want to spend eternity with him.

[QUOTE="huladog123"]You guys don't understand what I'm trying to say! You think that I'm trying to prove that I'm right, science is wrong, and that I know everything. Well you are absolutely wrong. If you aren't thinking this, then you're probably thinking something similar. I'm trying to tell you that there is a way out of hell and eternal punishment! There is a way to spend eternity in a place of peace and life with God. No, it's not magical, and it's completely different from any other afterlifes that are perceived in a pagan religion.foxhound_fox

I'm hearing a harmonious chime.

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

I think that at the end of the day, creation doesnt matter. We can use science to benefit us, eg medicine and efficient energy, and religion, however accurate, gives us the moral guidelines, eg should we abort babies.

It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus was ressurected, what does matter is if you believe in his principles. It doesnt matter if all religion is proved untrue, we can still base or morals on fictional characters, eg Shuuya Nanaharu(Hes in Battle Royal) can belive theres good in everyone, thats not so false, so can I.

Who cares wether Moses is real, as long as you obey the ten commandments, only obeying them because you want to instead of fear of hell.

jaybobi92

If we're searching values and morals in literature then I should be just as good living by Mother Goose's teachings.

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

The universe has laws. It doesn't nesseciarrly have a design. Your logic is self-assuming. Furthermore using that logic then what created God? You can't win with that "arguement". You can try to weasle by using the "god is beyond time and space" bullcrap excuse that theists always resort to, but that can be applied to the universe as well since time didn't start until it came into existence (which, btw, there are a few hypotheses on how the universe came into existence from nothing).

I think that at the end of the day, creation doesnt matter. We can use science to benefit us, eg medicine and efficient energy, and religion, however accurate, gives us the moral guidelines, eg should we abort babies.

It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus was ressurected, what does matter is if you believe in his principles. It doesnt matter if all religion is proved untrue, we can still base or morals on fictional characters, eg Shuuya Nanaharu(Hes in Battle Royal) can belive theres good in everyone, thats not so false, so can I.

Who cares wether Moses is real, as long as you obey the ten commandments, only obeying them because you want to instead of fear of hell.

jaybobi92

[QUOTE="jaybobi92"]

I think that at the end of the day, creation doesnt matter. We can use science to benefit us, eg medicine and efficient energy, and religion, however accurate, gives us the moral guidelines, eg should we abort babies.

It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus was ressurected, what does matter is if you believe in his principles. It doesnt matter if all religion is proved untrue, we can still base or morals on fictional characters, eg Shuuya Nanaharu(Hes in Battle Royal) can belive theres good in everyone, thats not so false, so can I.

Who cares wether Moses is real, as long as you obey the ten commandments, only obeying them because you want to instead of fear of hell.

DarkKar

If we're searching values and morals in literature then I should be just as good living by Mother Goose's teachings.

If Mother Goose has good teachings, what does it matter if she's not real?

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

CptJSparrow

you always create so much controversy and never seem satsified unless you convert everyone.FrostyPhantasm

It's true; Nobody is going to be converted in a video games forum across the internet, however good peoples points are. Really, a forum like this this is only good for viewing other peoples opinions, not changing them.

I dislike you...every week you make a new thread bashing science and athiests and any other religion besides yours, you always create so much controversy and never seem satsified unless you convert everyone.FrostyPhantasm

I hear Sunday schools give you a CiCi's pizza coupon for every non-believer you save :)

I dislike you...every week you make a new thread bashing science and athiests and any other religion besides yours, you always create so much controversy and never seem satsified unless you convert everyone.FrostyPhantasm

Don't worry, they banned Mohan from making religion threads, i'm sure the topic creator's pretty high on that list as well.

You guys don't understand what I'm trying to say! You think that I'm trying to prove that I'm right, science is wrong, and that I know everything. Well you are absolutely wrong. If you aren't thinking this, then you're probably thinking something similar. I'm trying to tell you that there is a way out of hell and eternal punishment! There is a way to spend eternity in a place of peace and life with God. No, it's not magical, and it's completely different from any other afterlifes that are perceived in a pagan religion.huladog123

I will write a commentary debunking this article which will appear in green

when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science.
You certainly are not
I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution.
Some theories (e.g string theory) are what I would consider scientific philosophy because some scientific theories dont actually have any observational evidence. However, the big bang theory and the theory of evolution are NOT philosophies, but rather are theories which are built upon evidence gathered.
Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older.
No, he didn't. there's no credible evidence that this happened
Some people say that he even asked God for forgiveness.
again, no credible evidence
Think about it this way. Which is easier to believe? That nothing exploded into everything, or that an amazing omniscient God beyond time and the tiny bit of knowledge that we know created it all, for us to use and live in and explore?
I do believe that before the big bang happened, God created the universe, but this isn't based on any tangible evidence. I think we can all agree however that to believe in a personal, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent personal god takes FAR more faith to believe than the idea that the universe came from nothing, but you can read more about particles coming into and out of existence here
God created man to rule over every beast of the earth. God also gave the first two humans a choice. Obey God, or disobey God. Guess what? They disobeyed them willfully, so God set a "curse" on the universe, that humans would have short lives, but that they'd have enough time to call of God for the forgiveness of their sins.
Genesis isn't a book meant to be taken literally.
Because if you have sin in your life, then how could you been in the presence of God when you die?
You haven't made any effort to prove that God exists.
God came down to earth in human form and suffered crucifixion on the cross FOR YOU, PERSONALLY. He did it because he wants all of us to choose to make Him your Savior. If you choose not to, then when you die, you suffer your own crucifixion in hell, because you didn't want God to do it for you. That's all I'm saying. You guys can believe me or not believe me, but I am extremely grateful that my parents became Christians and raised me up in this truth, because it is so great and amazing what God did for me, and for anyone who asks him for forgiveness. God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!
That whole paragraph was based on circular logic. You're ASSUMING that God exists
huladog123

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]I dislike you...every week you make a new thread bashing science and athiests and any other religion besides yours, you always create so much controversy and never seem satsified unless you convert everyone.aaaaarrrrggggg

Don't worry, they banned Mohan from making religion threads, i'm sure the topic creator's pretty high on that list as well.

I will write a commentary debunking this article which will appear in green

[QUOTE="huladog123"]when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science.
You certainly are not
I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution.
Some theories (e.g string theory) are what I would consider scientific philosophy because some scientific theories dont actually have any observational evidence. However, the big bang theory and the theory of evolution are NOT philosophies, but rather are theories which are built upon evidence gathered.
Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older.
No, he didn't. there's no credible evidence that this happened
Some people say that he even asked God for forgiveness.
again, no credible evidence
Think about it this way. Which is easier to believe? That nothing exploded into everything, or that an amazing omniscient God beyond time and the tiny bit of knowledge that we know created it all, for us to use and live in and explore?
I do believe that before the big bang happened, God created the universe, but this isn't based on any tangible evidence. I think we can all agree however that to believe in a personal, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent personal god takes FAR more faith to believe than the idea that the universe came from nothing, but you can read more about particles coming into and out of existence here
God created man to rule over every beast of the earth. God also gave the first two humans a choice. Obey God, or disobey God. Guess what? They disobeyed them willfully, so God set a "curse" on the universe, that humans would have short lives, but that they'd have enough time to call of God for the forgiveness of their sins.
Genesis isn't a book meant to be taken literally.
Because if you have sin in your life, then how could you been in the presence of God when you die?
You haven't made any effort to prove that God exists.
God came down to earth in human form and suffered crucifixion on the cross FOR YOU, PERSONALLY. He did it because he wants all of us to choose to make Him your Savior. If you choose not to, then when you die, you suffer your own crucifixion in hell, because you didn't want God to do it for you. That's all I'm saying. You guys can believe me or not believe me, but I am extremely grateful that my parents became Christians and raised me up in this truth, because it is so great and amazing what God did for me, and for anyone who asks him for forgiveness. God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!
That whole paragraph was based on circular logic. You're ASSUMING that God exists
verparanoidpers

This kind of goes without saying. Christianity's highpoint is: faith.