My Letter to Atheists

This was not made to offend in any way. Please read all of this before posting.

Hello atheists, agnostics, and theists of Gamespot. Tonight I have come to spread some divine wisdom that suddenly struck me right before I was about to fall asleep. I've known this for awhile, but there are many atheists on Gamespot and the internet in general. No, I am not saying that your beliefs are wrong, but some of your reasons why science can disprove religion are really bogus. I'm not trying to preach or anything, I just want to address these problems and explain why I think that they are wrong.

Many people who choose not to follow any religion say that their reasoning is based on science, whether it be the big bang or evolution. I respect those who aren't religious just because nothing seems to fit with them. Claiming that something totally unrelated to religion can disprove religion just grinds my gears every time I have to read the same excuse.

You might ask me, "How do you know there is a God?" My answer is that I just take a look around myself. Objects can be broken down by what exactly they are made up, whether it be material, element, or even how many protons, electrons, and neutrons there are in it. You might now be asking "Well how does this prove in your belief of a God?" My answer for that is that we don't know how the elements were created, or how atoms came to be. In my own opionion, I would believe that a divine entity created everything in the universe, and that we are slowly understanding what anything is made of through science.

Then there are those that "disprove" religion by pointing at the theory of evolution. To me, evolution and Christianity goes hand in hand. The first book, Genesis, can fit right into evolution. Genesis tells about the birth of our species while mixing in metaphors and mythology. Who knows if the first human male and female were ever named Adam and Eve, but if that's what God wants them to be called, then so be it. Everything before the creation of humans through evolution was never really spoken about in the Bible, because it doesn't have any relevancy towards God's interaction with Humans.

Finally, the last way that atheists try to claim that a religion couldn't possibly be right is by claiming that the big bang created everything in the universe. In my mind, creationism and the big bang fit perfectly together. A God could have started the events that lead to the big bang occuring. After all the elements are done settling down in space, he forms the Earth for a few million or billions of years to make it hospitable for humans to live on.

Then there are those that don't follow a religion, because they say that religions are too restrictive. You don't have to have the Bible or a priest dictate how you must follow your life. Go ahead and live the way you want to live. Sin a little, nobody is perfect. Just don't sin to spite God. I have only read the first two books of the Bible, yet I can say that I believe in Christianity. When I read the Bible, I read it for divine inspiration, not to learn what I am and am not supposed to do.

Well I'm sorry that this was really long, but I had to get this out of my brain and onto paper. Tell me what you think about my thoughts.

NiKva

[QUOTE="NiKva"]Many of my arguements are common arguments on Hackforums, in the Science, Philosophy, Religion forum. Maybe they were just trolls, I don't know.ohgodohman

[QUOTE="NiKva"]Many of my arguements are common arguments on Hackforums, in the Science, Philosophy, Religion forum. Maybe they were just trolls, I don't know.ohgodohman

[QUOTE="NiKva"]

This was not made to offend in any way. Please read all of this before posting.

Hello atheists, agnostics, and theists of Gamespot. Tonight I have come to spread some divine wisdom that suddenly struck me right before I was about to fall asleep. I've known this for awhile, but there are many atheists on Gamespot and the internet in general. No, I am not saying that your beliefs are wrong, but some of your reasons why science can disprove religion are really bogus. I'm not trying to preach or anything, I just want to address these problems and explain why I think that they are wrong.

Many people who choose not to follow any religion say that their reasoning is based on science, whether it be the big bang or evolution. I respect those who aren't religious just because nothing seems to fit with them. Claiming that something totally unrelated to religion can disprove religion just grinds my gears every time I have to read the same excuse.

You might ask me, "How do you know there is a God?" My answer is that I just take a look around myself. Objects can be broken down by what exactly they are made up, whether it be material, element, or even how many protons, electrons, and neutrons there are in it. You might now be asking "Well how does this prove in your belief of a God?" My answer for that is that we don't know how the elements were created, or how atoms came to be. In my own opionion, I would believe that a divine entity created everything in the universe, and that we are slowly understanding what anything is made of through science.

Then there are those that "disprove" religion by pointing at the theory of evolution. To me, evolution and Christianity goes hand in hand. The first book, Genesis, can fit right into evolution. Genesis tells about the birth of our species while mixing in metaphors and mythology. Who knows if the first human male and female were ever named Adam and Eve, but if that's what God wants them to be called, then so be it. Everything before the creation of humans through evolution was never really spoken about in the Bible, because it doesn't have any relevancy towards God's interaction with Humans.

Finally, the last way that atheists try to claim that a religion couldn't possibly be right is by claiming that the big bang created everything in the universe. In my mind, creationism and the big bang fit perfectly together. A God could have started the events that lead to the big bang occuring. After all the elements are done settling down in space, he forms the Earth for a few million or billions of years to make it hospitable for humans to live on.

Then there are those that don't follow a religion, because they say that religions are too restrictive. You don't have to have the Bible or a priest dictate how you must follow your life. Go ahead and live the way you want to live. Sin a little, nobody is perfect. Just don't sin to spite God. I have only read the first two books of the Bible, yet I can say that I believe in Christianity. When I read the Bible, I read it for divine inspiration, not to learn what I am and am not supposed to do.

Well I'm sorry that this was really long, but I had to get this out of my brain and onto paper. Tell me what you think about my thoughts.

Go ahead, believe in your deity. Just don't let it get in the way of our human advancement and scientific advancement.

LiftedHeadshot

This is your typical atheist mentality. And I should know, I am one and I think the same way sometimes. But in general I don't think religion is the source of our problems or is limiting us. Not like the Catholic Church did in history anyways.

On topic. What separates me from other atheists is that I don't care to disprove any ones religion. I simply just don't believe in a religion. It doesn't seem logical to me and it sounds like a tool used to control people that leaders have used in the past and its still sticking around. The bible in particular is interesting. Why is it that Angels are always depicted with with worldly things like the wings of a bird? It makes it seem like they were just created by man rather than god.

[QUOTE="ohgodohman"][QUOTE="NiKva"]Many of my arguements are common arguments on Hackforums, in the Science, Philosophy, Religion forum. Maybe they were just trolls, I don't know.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="ohgodohman"]So basically, you're so incapable of defending your beliefs that you had to assemble your post from various arguments you found on the internet which are so unconvincing that you're not even sure whether they were serious. Great. Well done.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Did you just created a account just to say this?grape_of_wrath

Here is my pet dragon. He is invisible and you can't touch him through magical powers. Neither can you disprove that he exists. Does this sound believable to you?

I don't think Christians (and other religous folks) understand the absurdity of what they are asking nonbelievers to believe.

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Is he wrong?

alexside1

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Is he wrong?

alexside1

Does it raise suspicions that it's an alt/bandodger? So what? That doesnt change the validity of what he said.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] And more importantly, is there a better reason?Teenaged

Does it raise suspicions that it's an alt/bandodger? So what? That doesnt change the validity of what he said.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Because obviously it's not questionable when a level 1 account with 5 post appear out of nowhere. /sarcasm.alexside1

Does it raise suspicions that it's an alt/bandodger? So what? That doesnt change the validity of what he said.

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]

Go ahead, believe in your deity. Just don't let it get in the way of our human advancement and scientific advancement.

Pikdum

This is your typical atheist mentality. And I should know, I am one and I think the same way sometimes. But in general I don't think religion is the source of our problems or is limiting us. Not like the Catholic Church did in history anyways.

On topic. What separates me from other atheists is that I don't care to disprove any ones religion. I simply just don't believe in a religion. It doesn't seem logical to me and it sounds like a tool used to control people that leaders have used in the past and its still sticking around. The bible in particular is interesting. Why is it that Angels are always depicted with with worldly things like the wings of a bird? It makes it seem like they were just created by man rather than god.

As long as you don't try and force your believes on me, believe whatever you want (not necessarily you, but everyone in general).

"We don't know, therefore god'

I hate this mindset in religious people.

Your argument disporves/proves nothing TC.

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]

Go ahead, believe in your deity. Just don't let it get in the way of our human advancement and scientific advancement.

Pikdum

This is your typical atheist mentality. And I should know, I am one and I think the same way sometimes. But in general I don't think religion is the source of our problems or is limiting us. Not like the Catholic Church did in history anyways.

On topic. What separates me from other atheists is that I don't care to disprove any ones religion. I simply just don't believe in a religion. It doesn't seem logical to me and it sounds like a tool used to control people that leaders have used in the past and its still sticking around. The bible in particular is interesting. Why is it that Angels are always depicted with with worldly things like the wings of a bird? It makes it seem like they were just created by man rather than god.

The great scientists of the far past were all deeply religious, and pursued science as a means of further appreciating God's creations. It's a pity that the deeply religious people these days view science as a threat.

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]

Go ahead, believe in your deity. Just don't let it get in the way of our human advancement and scientific advancement.

LiftedHeadshot

This is your typical atheist mentality. And I should know, I am one and I think the same way sometimes. But in general I don't think religion is the source of our problems or is limiting us. Not like the Catholic Church did in history anyways.

On topic. What separates me from other atheists is that I don't care to disprove any ones religion. I simply just don't believe in a religion. It doesn't seem logical to me and it sounds like a tool used to control people that leaders have used in the past and its still sticking around. The bible in particular is interesting. Why is it that Angels are always depicted with with worldly things like the wings of a bird? It makes it seem like they were just created by man rather than god.

The great scientists of the far past were all deeply religious, and pursued science as a means of further appreciating God's creations. It's a pity that the deeply religious people these days view science as a threat.

"I can't explain it THEREFORE ALIENS" was pretty much what your argument is.

Christianity isn't the first religion to describe the creation of the universe, but all those religions died out because of major turmoil during their times. Norse, Egyptians, Roman, Aztec, Mayan Gods all died out because of the political and military struggles going on at the time. Entire populations were forced en masse to change their religious beliefs.

Do a little history research. You'll see that over time in in almost all cultures the ideas of their Gods evolved over time to fit with their understanding of the universe. Roman Gods for example started off as natural spirits, before being given names, and personalities. In many cases some of these spirits were merged together. These spirits were responsible for Earthquakes, volcanoes, storms, hail, wind, etc What could possibly cause the land to shake? Certainly it MUST be a creature of immense power, but since we haven't seen this creature it must be from beyond our realm! Of course it's impossible that there are massive tectonic plates sitting on magma that float around and crash into each other. IT MUST BE AN OMNISCIENT BEING WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE.

If "God" and religion is something set in stone then there should be no evolution of religious facts - but there is. This is a sign to be that no one knows wtf is going on and they're just trying to fit everything together and go with the flow. "hurr durr but science does that," obviously because science is a means to observe and test these "facts" to prove or disprove them. There is empirical evidence to back up science. Religion in 8000 years of human history has NEVER had any empirical evidence of the divine, merely of humanity attributing someone or something to the divine.

The divine can NEVER be proven, or disproven, which makes it the perfect belief because no one can ever be wrong and it can be moulded to fit any set of beliefs.

TC, you said so yourself you "don't know" when describing how atoms are structured into objects and that it's "your opinion" that a divine entity "created everything in the universe". This is stupid reasoning, but that's not to say that some divine entity didn't actually create the universe, it's just one ridiculously huge leap to go from "I don't understand this" to "some divine entity created everything, end of story".

The thing is, science takes the opposite approach to try and explain things, and this has resulted in all the wonderful (and not so wonderful) technologies we have today, this way of thinking actually produces results, while your way of thinking only promotes ignorance.

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?Richard Dawkins wrote, "biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose." Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved."The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]:lol: I don't at all, I completely embrace all science. Oh, and guess what? I'm Catholic.ohgodohman

The people who treat science as a threat are ignorant.ChampionoChumps

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?Richard Dawkins wrote, "biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose." Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved."The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

ohgodohman

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?Richard Dawkins wrote, "biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose." Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved."The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

realguitarhero5

Your quote is stupid too and I feel sorry for the person who said it. A human making a vase is vastly different to a supernatural being creating all life on the planet. If he wanted to make a proper anaolgy he would have to say that the vase was of divine design. Which it wasn't. Because it was created by some Egyptian guy called Mekhet or something. He was a potter and had a wife and one son. We know this because WE LOOKED AT EVIDENCE instead of making up **** like "His name was Dave and he came from Mars and he liked eating flour. We don't have any proof, but how else do you explain the design of the vase? It must have been this Dave we keep telling you about."

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?Richard Dawkins wrote, "biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose." Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved."The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

DigitalExile

Your quote is stupid too and I feel sorry for the person who said it. A human making a vase is vastly different to a supernatural being creating all life on the planet. If he wanted to make a proper anaolgy he would have to say that the vase was of divine design. Which it wasn't. Because it was created by some Egyptian guy called Mekhet or something. He was a potter and had a wife and one son. We know this because WE LOOKED AT EVIDENCE instead of making up **** like "His name was Dave and he came from Mars and he liked eating flour. We don't have any proof, but how else do you explain the design of the vase? It must have been this Dave we keep telling you about."

Wow, did I pick a fantastic time to bail out of this thread or what?! :D

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"][QUOTE="ohgodohman"]Protip: if you're going to plagiarise from creationist sh*tpiles, you should at least change the font to make it a little less blindingly obvious. Idiot.ohgodohman

I don't even know how you got there. A vase is made of clay and it is in a simple shape. You can look at the vase and go: It was made by a potter. You look at a human, or even a simple organism and see that they are made of 1 to, I dunno, 1,000,000,000 cells and you say: This evolved. I know it LOOKS like it was made but DO NOT BE DECEIVED! ...it evolved. And I don't care what you personally think in this case, the most prominent scientists in their field say this and it MAKES NO SINCE. I mean.... every area of science for the past 100 years has worked independent of evolution, save for evolutionary science. That has been one of my main problems with evolutionists for years!realguitarhero5

That's not how it works. Just because something is compelx or you don;t understand it doesn't mean you just say it "must" have been created. Why "must" it have been? Because is complex? You have no other proof, no other reasoning other then "****ed if I know." That's not a valid argument, though it is heavy proof of something else.

As I said, if you remove divinity from your argument then you simply have the universe and nature occuring on its own. try reading a science book with out "OMG GOD DID ALL OF THIS" running through your head. Science and history explain the world perfectly and God does not come into it at any point.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="greenskittles"]

Meaning what? You wouldn't take them to heaven or hell which is it?

greenskittles

and yet you believe in blindly that the whole non-believer/heaven/hell issue will all makes sense because of God's devine knowledge, just like the hundreds of thousands out there who use that as an excuse for their deity. That's the excuse for every religion.

Imagine if he went against your current stance on the issue of not sending them to hell. He'll make everyone who doesn't believe burn slowly and painfully in hell and that would be that. Is devine knowledge going to be good enough for you then?

When you say "he" do you mean God? I dont think that he would send people automatically to hell if someone doesnt believes. Whatever he chooses to do, will be perfect, and will be the right decision. He is the CREATOR of everything.

Ancient history and especially western civilization classes are pretty eye opening to people that actually want to know more about how their religion came to exist and succeed. Hint: It's not because they were right.GrudHeap