News: 71 wounded, 12 killed in midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Just because someone claims it's a fact doesn't make it one. Now, don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, and one that should be respected, but it's a bit dumb to get all upset over a few jokes. l4dak47

I'm not offended, but joking about this is pretty dumb. I think it's pretty tiresome when people joke about EVERYTHING.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] Again crimes committed with GUNS no matter illegal or not are significantly higher in the USA than ALL other 1st world countries.Human-after-all

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

Obviously the solution is to take away anything that remotely dangerous:roll:

No you nit wit. Its solution is to fix the problem on a cultural level. People are willing to simply look into the psychology factors that lead to violent crimes.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] Oh. Was he talking about Mexican military and police?noscope-ak47

Yes, But in a way. They Would Get their Gear through the US Military and Department of Defence. So it can be traced back to American supply i guess.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] Again crimes committed with GUNS no matter illegal or not are significantly higher in the USA than ALL other 1st world countries.mattisgod01

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

Why do people use guns over knives? Simple, They are more efficient at killing. You give people Superior killing weapons it will result in more fatalities. Sure the US has issues to consider that contribute but so do guns. How many people would have survived a violent altercation if guns weren't invovled?

What if it was a larger knive or a sword?

Again you're dancing around the fixing the cause. People always find ways to kill as many people as possible. Its impossible to stop every way someone could go about a mass killing. A much more common sense approach is to stop them before they make the decision to carry it out.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]

If only everyone wasn't allowed to have a gun in the US, these things might not happen so often.

leviathan91

Wait, wait, why punish everyone? :?

How many people are killed by bombs in the US? It's rare.mattisgod01

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

I'm sorry, I thought trying to convicne Americans that the whole 9/11 hoax thing was stupid and that the US government was not behind is counted as support...Does claiming that the US government killed thousands of their own people to fuel a war count as support?

mattisgod01

It is such a cynical view to have, It would take far too many people to be in on it. We are not going to get into a 9/11 debate are we?

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] Banning guns won't work...Jebus213

Banning guns won't lessen the people getting shot to death each year? Excuse me while I call BS.

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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

You can't make GUNS out of almost anything, though. Yet, they are legal and are used for more violent killings in the US than any other weapon - including fertilizer bombs or any other homemade IED.

mattisgod01

The Zip gun was less useful than a knife. Sure it had some range but it was otherwise worthless junk.

My cell phone is acting up keeps spelling words wrong.

Since everyone here is so interested in the shooter, here's a link of his bio.

According to the bio, there was absolutely nothing wrong with this guy up until the shooting. That's disturbing.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]Can't make guns huh guess you never heard of a zip gun guys use then in jail. So if a convict under lock and key can make one why can't you ??

noscope-ak47

The Zip gun was less useful than a knife. Sure it had some range but it was otherwise worthless junk.

whoa thats pretty darn scary seeing as i went to a midnight showing of the dark knight rises as well. That could have easily happened to me and i can only imagine what that would be like but it would be pretty hard to escape.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]LJS9502_basic

American Gun policy = America? Yea no.

i don't agree with the availability of guns in America, Doesn't mean i hate America because of it.

You have more pressing things to do? Who are you kidding? You are always posting on GS. You have nothing else going on but the refresh button.

I took up your challenge and proved you wrong on a dozen accounts, Rather then own up to it you scurry away like a cockraoch and pretend like it's irrelevent. You made a claim that i'm an American Basher, I put evidence forward proving otherwise. Stop being a little Bltch and back up you BS.

Also, How does me pushing for stircter Gun laws in the US in order to save lives make me an American Basher? You still fail to see how far up your own ass you head is. If anyone differs from your opinion they are absolutley wrong. Regardless of what they are arguing for. I'm arguing my case with the Intent to save lives, Feel free to disagree with the effectiveness of such a idea but don't assume it's American bashing just because i don't like certain things or agree with your views.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

UnknownSniper65

Obviously the solution is to take away anything that remotely dangerous:roll:

No you nit wit. Its solution is to fix the problem on a cultural level. People are willing to simply look into the psychology factors that lead to violent crimes.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

UnknownSniper65

Why do people use guns over knives? Simple, They are more efficient at killing. You give people Superior killing weapons it will result in more fatalities. Sure the US has issues to consider that contribute but so do guns. How many people would have survived a violent altercation if guns weren't invovled?

What if it was a larger knive or a sword?

Again you're dancing around the fixing the cause. People always find ways to kill as many people as possible. Its impossible to stop every way someone could go about a mass killing. A much more common sense approach is to stop them before they make the decision to carry it out.

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

The Zip gun was less useful than a knife. Sure it had some range but it was otherwise worthless junk.

champion837

I still find the Concept of Everyone being armed is the better goal for a society. I can see the point, Just seems more of a defeatist policy. not to mention the clusterfvck that could occur in the confusion of 50 people pulling out guns. i would much rather a society where guns were very rare then one where they were very common.

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

ShadowMoses900

I'm not advocating for gun bans, but this is a pretty absurd thing to say. There's no way he would have able to do this much damage with a knife.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Why do people use guns over knives? Simple, They are more efficient at killing. You give people Superior killing weapons it will result in more fatalities. Sure the US has issues to consider that contribute but so do guns. How many people would have survived a violent altercation if guns weren't invovled?

LOXO7

What if it was a larger knive or a sword?

Again you're dancing around the fixing the cause. People always find ways to kill as many people as possible. Its impossible to stop every way someone could go about a mass killing. A much more common sense approach is to stop them before they make the decision to carry it out.

Do you really trust civilians to carry around weapons? i'd feel concerned about a bunch of random people pulling out guns and exchanging shots. Even so, The majority of Gun homicides are under circumstances where it wouldn't have mattered.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] You should apologize. It's support for the manipulated main stream media. That's not helping Americans with anything, other than trying to convince them further of the lies in our country and the world. America is a place where freedom is supposed to reign. Jumping on the side with the power schemers is against freedom. Saying, "The US government killed thousand of their own people to fuel a war," is better than telling someone that they're stupid for thinking that way.LOXO7

It is such a cynical view to have, It would take far too many people to be in on it. We are not going to get into a 9/11 debate are we?

It's kind of a big stretch between trusting government and media, to believing the government Murdered thousands of their own people, Is it not?

Everyone here does realize that Coloroda is pretty lax on gun laws right?

Everyone has the oppurtunity to obtain a gun but it seemed that no one did have a gun that night other than the shooter.

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

ShadowMoses900

Or we could just ban all guns and not have to worry about arming everyone?

BTW:

This was just tweeted to me from a news site:

Murders in which guns were involved in 2011:

35 in Australia

39 in England and Wales

194 in Germany

200 in Canada

9,484 in the United States

Guess which country has least amount of public gun restrictions in this list?

Since everyone here is so interested in the shooter, here's a link of his bio.

According to the bio, there was absolutely nothing wrong with this guy up until the shooting. That's disturbing.

leviathan91

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

ShadowMoses900

you just said it yourself they were unarmed and helpless. I honestly see the gun debate clearly from both sides. I mean i feel people should be able to have guns if they want and im not even a fan of that at all as guns do far more harm than good. I also see it from the other side though you say it could have been a knife but it couldn't have. He maybe stabs one person and that's all hes gonna get because people are gonna go and stop him. Also that stab wound most likely wont be fatal unless hes a trained killer. When a guy has access to an arsenal that rivals the guns in video games then it changes things because only then can he go and massacre a movie theather. I mean yes the weapon is only a tool but which is worse a made man with a butter knife or one with a nuke? There is no way to solve the issue imo without upsetting one of the sides.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

GreySeal9

I'm not advocating for gun bans, but this is a pretty absurd thing to say. There's no way he would have able to do this much damage with a knife.

It was dark, he had gas grenades, he could have easily ran around stabbing a bunch of people. Of course the gun would do more damage, but my point remains, knives can hurt people too.

Alchohol kills more people a year than guns do should we ban alchohol? Some people are responsible when they drink. Cars kill more people people a year than guns do, should we ban cars?

I believe people should have the right to bear arms, it's our God given constitutional right and banning them would just make an underground market where criminals would thrive. But I do think background checks should be done on people, including mental health checks as well.

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

The Zip gun was less useful than a knife. Sure it had some range but it was otherwise worthless junk.

champion837

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

Netherscourge

Or we could just ban all guns and not have to worry about arming everyone?

BTW:

This was just tweeted to me from a news site:

Murders in which guns were involved in 2011:

35 in Australia

39 in England and Wales

194 in Germany

200 in Canada

9,484 in the United States

Guess which country has least amount of public gun restrictions in this list?

vThe apartment thing is also very concerning incendiary devices connected by a series of wires which is something that he TOLD the police... Apparently his place is very heavily boobie trapped.

It's reported that he surrendered without any resistance which is also very curious.

Details that I've heard from the NBC news report (which is live) Is that of the four weapons the AR 15 and the shot gun were the main weapons used at the time. They're investigating whether or not the weapons were "legally obtained".

NBC says they'll have an update at 7:00pm.

New numbers 71 shot 12 confirmed dead.

Very horrible....

vThe apartment thing is also very concerning incendiary devices connected by a series of wires which is something that he TOLD the police... Apparently his place is very heavily boobie trapped.

It's reported that he surrendered without any resistance which is also very curious.

Details that I've heard from the NBC news report (which is live) Is that of the four weapons the AR 15 and the shot gun were the main weapons used at the time. They're investigating whether or not the weapons were "legally obtained".

NBC says they'll have an update at 7:00pm.

New numbers 71 shot 12 confirmed dead.

Very horrible....

Synthia

Wow that's a lot of people. :/ Indeed it is horrible.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]mattisgod01

American Gun policy = America? Yea no.

i don't agree with the availability of guns in America, Doesn't mean i hate America because of it.

You have more pressing things to do? Who are you kidding? You are always posting on GS. You have nothing else going on but the refresh button.

I took up your challenge and proved you wrong on a dozen accounts, Rather then own up to it you scurry away like a cockraoch and pretend like it's irrelevent. You made a claim that i'm an American Basher, I put evidence forward proving otherwise. Stop being a little Bltch and back up you BS.

Also, How does me pushing for stircter Gun laws in the US in order to save lives make me an American Basher? You still fail to see how far up your own ass you head is. If anyone differs from your opinion they are absolutley wrong. Regardless of what they are arguing for. I'm arguing my case with the Intent to save lives, Feel free to disagree with the effectiveness of such a idea but don't assume it's American bashing just because i don't like certain things or agree with your views.

[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]You have a very one track mind there buddy. The gun laws are a joke they don't stop the sale of gun parts that can be used to make a gun. Even a replica with a little work can be made into a real gun. Just than GOD that you were not the target of terrorist. I was at a bar in texas in 2010 and a idoit walks in to rob the place with a 380. Myself and almost everybody else was armed. He begged us to call the cops. So having normal people armed is far from a bad thing the police can not be every place at all times. I would go so far as to say if the people at that movie were armed many lives could have been savedLOXO7

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And if I had nothing better to do with my time I could go through your post history and find the comments you made bashing the US. But unlike you....I have more pressing things to do then spend time trying to find posts in someone's post history. Your first reaction in this thread was to bash America. I don't think you can deny that comment dude. It got quoted enough times. /discussionLOXO7

American Gun policy = America? Yea no.

i don't agree with the availability of guns in America, Doesn't mean i hate America because of it.

You have more pressing things to do? Who are you kidding? You are always posting on GS. You have nothing else going on but the refresh button.

I took up your challenge and proved you wrong on a dozen accounts, Rather then own up to it you scurry away like a cockraoch and pretend like it's irrelevent. You made a claim that i'm an American Basher, I put evidence forward proving otherwise. Stop being a little Bltch and back up you BS.

Also, How does me pushing for stircter Gun laws in the US in order to save lives make me an American Basher? You still fail to see how far up your own ass you head is. If anyone differs from your opinion they are absolutley wrong. Regardless of what they are arguing for. I'm arguing my case with the Intent to save lives, Feel free to disagree with the effectiveness of such a idea but don't assume it's American bashing just because i don't like certain things or agree with your views.

I'd have no idea in the short term. I just don't see how tighter gun controls can be a bad thing.

You don't have to ban the 100%, Just put restrictions on weapons capable of causing mass casualties. Limit it to single shot 9mm pistols of certain types, and single shot hunting Rifles. Sure you could do damage with them but you would go on a shooting spree like the one seen here.

Since everyone here is so interested in the shooter, here's a link of his bio.

According to the bio, there was absolutely nothing wrong with this guy up until the shooting. That's disturbing.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

ShadowMoses900

I'm not advocating for gun bans, but this is a pretty absurd thing to say. There's no way he would have able to do this much damage with a knife.

It was dark, he had gas grenades, he could have easily ran around stabbing a bunch of people. Of course the gun would do more damage, but my point remains, knives can hurt people too.

Alchohol kills more people a year than guns do should we ban alchohol? Some people are responsible when they drink. Cars kill more people people a year than guns do, should we ban cars?

I believe people should have the right to bear arms, it's our God given constitutional right and banning them would just make an underground market where criminals would thrive. But I do think background checks should be done on people, including mental health checks as well.

Dude was a Medical Student working on a PhD for Neuroscience. He just recently withdrew from his University.

Based on that fact, and that he was 24 years old, there is no reason he would be denied access to guns.

Just more proof that the 2nd Amendment is obsolete and should be removed from the Constitution.

Background screenings would not have red-flagged this guy.

Nobody should have access to guns excecpt the police and military. You simply can't trust the general public to handle guns. You never know which person is going to lose their minds.

And we sure as hell don't need armed militas to protect us form the government... I mean seriously. Not even Fox News or Rush Limbaugh can convince you of that LOL (unless you really are a moron)

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

Gen007

you just said it yourself they were unarmed and helpless. I honestly see the gun debate clearly from both sides. I mean i feel people should be able to have guns if they want and im not even a fan of that at all as guns do far more harm than good. I also see it from the other side though you say it could have been a knife but it couldn't have. He maybe stabs one person and that's all hes gonna get because people are gonna go and stop him. Also that stab wound most likely wont be fatal unless hes a trained killer. When a guy has access to an arsenal that rivals the guns in video games then it changes things because only then can he go and massacre a movie theather. I mean yes the weapon is only a tool but which is worse a made man with a butter knife or one with a nuke? There is no way to solve the issue imo without upsetting one of the sides.

His guns may have been illegal, he did have a glock handgun which is legal, but he also had an AR assault rifle, which is single fire only, but someone could illegaly modify it for full auto. I don't know the exact details of the weapons he used though.

What is strange is he used the emergency exit, usually these are locked from the outside, someone must have opened it up for him. It's what some investigators are saying.

I own guns myself, I know how to shoot them and I am responsible with them. I have long guns for hunting and a 2 handguns, one is a 38 special Smith and Wesson snub nose which I used to use for conceal carry for protection.

I don't like it when people tell me I shouldn't be allowed to own fire arms, it feels like they want to disarm me. Criminals would love a gun ban because that would make it impossible for law abiding citizens to protect themselves, criminals will always have fire arms through the black market, which most gun crimes are using illegal weapons in the first place.

Don't worry about upsetting both sides, that's just politics for you. People will always get upset. My stance is that they should do better background checks and have mental health checks as well, I also think people need to be knowledgable about gun safety and how to use them, especially handguns BEFORE they are allowed to purchase one.

A lot of people just get guns because they want to be "cool" and are just dumbasses, I see it all the time at firing ranges. I don't think those people should have guns.

Dude was a Medical Student working on a PhD for Neuroscience. He just recently withdrew from his University.

Based on that fact, and that he was 24 years old, there is no reason he would be denied access to guns.

Just more proof that the 2nd Amendment is obsolete and should be removed from the Constitution.

Background screenings would not have red-flagged this guy.

Nobody should have access to guns excecpt the police and military. You simply can't trust the general public to handle guns. You never know which person is going to lose their minds.

And we sure as hell don't need armed militas to protect us form the government... I mean seriously. Not even Fox News or Rush Limbaugh can convince you of that LOL (unless you really are a moron)

Netherscourge

Lol so we're just gonna start tossing out parts of the constitution?

How do you plan on getting perfectly safe states with conservative gun laws like NH,Vermont,etc to follow with that?

Dude was a Medical Student working on a PhD for Neuroscience. He just recently withdrew from his University.

Based on that fact, and that he was 24 years old, there is no reason he would be denied access to guns.

Just more proof that the 2nd Amendment is obsolete and should be removed from the Constitution.

Background screenings would not have red-flagged this guy.

Nobody should have access to guns excecpt the police and military. You simply can't trust the general public to handle guns. You never know which person is going to lose their minds.

And we sure as hell don't need armed militas to protect us form the government... I mean seriously. Not even Fox News or Rush Limbaugh can convince you of that LOL (unless you really are a moron)

Netherscourge

What About Glenn Beck? If what he says is true then we will need the guns. Something bad is comming, I can't rememebr what exactly, but it's comming and its bad.

I still find the Concept of Everyone being armed is the better goal for a society. I can see the point, Just seems more of a defeatist policy. not to mention the clusterfvck that could occur in the confusion of 50 people pulling out guns. i would much rather a society where guns were very rare then one where they were very common.

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] A better solution to that is have people open carry everywhere. What if some other person inside that theater was armed?mattisgod01

Do you really trust civilians to carry around weapons? i'd feel concerned about a bunch of random people pulling out guns and exchanging shots. Even so, The majority of Gun homicides are under circumstances where it wouldn't have mattered.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Dude was a Medical Student working on a PhD for Neuroscience. He just recently withdrew from his University.

Based on that fact, and that he was 24 years old, there is no reason he would be denied access to guns.

Just more proof that the 2nd Amendment is obsolete and should be removed from the Constitution.

Background screenings would not have red-flagged this guy.

Nobody should have access to guns excecpt the police and military. You simply can't trust the general public to handle guns. You never know which person is going to lose their minds.

And we sure as hell don't need armed militas to protect us form the government... I mean seriously. Not even Fox News or Rush Limbaugh can convince you of that LOL (unless you really are a moron)

UnknownSniper65

Lol so we're just gonna start tossing out parts of the constitution?

How do you plan on getting perfectly save states with conservative gun laws like NH,Vermont,etc to follow with that?

Federal Government takeover. Oh wait, We need them to give up their guns first...

Or we could just ban all guns and not have to worry about arming everyone?

BTW:

This was just tweeted to me from a news site:

Murders in which guns were involved in 2011:

35 in Australia

39 in England and Wales

194 in Germany

200 in Canada

9,484 in the United States

Guess which country has least amount of public gun restrictions in this list?

Netherscourge

Dude was a Medical Student working on a PhD for Neuroscience. He just recently withdrew from his University.

Based on that fact, and that he was 24 years old, there is no reason he would be denied access to guns.

Just more proof that the 2nd Amendment is obsolete and should be removed from the Constitution.

Background screenings would not have red-flagged this guy.

Nobody should have access to guns excecpt the police and military. You simply can't trust the general public to handle guns. You never know which person is going to lose their minds.

And we sure as hell don't need armed militas to protect us form the government... I mean seriously. Not even Fox News or Rush Limbaugh can convince you of that LOL (unless you really are a moron)

Netherscourge

Hold on, there's no news yet on whether he obtained the guns legally or illegally.

And there's always more to the story. The guy had explosives in his apartment, that's not normal.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"] [QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] A better solution to that is have people open carry everywhere. What if some other person inside that theater was armed?LOXO7

Do you really trust civilians to carry around weapons? i'd feel concerned about a bunch of random people pulling out guns and exchanging shots. Even so, The majority of Gun homicides are under circumstances where it wouldn't have mattered.

I could not imagine any political party in Australia pushing for lower of gun laws here. They would never get the votes. Nor pase House vote, let alone Senate. It would be political suicide to even suggest it.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Or we could just ban all guns and not have to worry about arming everyone?

BTW:

This was just tweeted to me from a news site:

Murders in which guns were involved in 2011:

35 in Australia

39 in England and Wales

194 in Germany

200 in Canada

9,484 in the United States

Guess which country has least amount of public gun restrictions in this list?

MrGeezer

only about 11x that of Australia. So say 385 for Australia.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So is this now a thread about gun control now?

The could have used a knife instead, do we blame the knife? Do we ban them now? He could have killed people with anything he wanted. You can't blame the object, it's just a tool, the person is to blame for their actions. Put a gun on a table and tell it to "shoot someone", it won't do anything. You know why? Because only a person can hurt someone with it.

Ever notice how all these massacres always happen in places where no one is allowed to bring guns into? Schools, hospitials, movie theaters, you know why? Because the gunman knows the people are unarmed and helpless, if he knew people in there had guns as well he would never commit an act of violence there.

Stop blaming guns, blame the person and blame yourself for not taking personal responsibility for your actions.

Netherscourge

Or we could just ban all guns and not have to worry about arming everyone?

BTW:

This was just tweeted to me from a news site:

Murders in which guns were involved in 2011:

35 in Australia

39 in England and Wales

194 in Germany

200 in Canada

9,484 in the United States

Guess which country has least amount of public gun restrictions in this list?

The US has more population that all those countries put together. We also have more poverty and other social problems. I doubt gun control would do much, everyone and their brother in the US has guns.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.