News: 71 wounded, 12 killed in midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises

My prayers go out to their families. This isn't what I wanted to hear this morning.

Also, the death count was revised. It's 12, not 14.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

No they don't. Someone can do just as much damage with a makeshift explosive. The issue here is an issue with society and mental health. Prevention needs to be directed towards the individual not the method used. Methods will always change to adapt to the situation.

UnknownSniper65

Tell Terrorists that. They seem to have trouble with the whole makeshift bomb thing. But guns did play a key role here...They are what you'd call "The Murder Weapon"

IEDs were among the most deadly weapons used in Iraq and Afghanistan. These are untrained individuals doing this during a time of war. Not somebody who has all the time in the world to plan.

The bombs where in abundance, They didn't mix the chemicles themselves, They just made traps out of mortar shells and rockets. That is quite simply.

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

The only person to blame is the person who actually did the deed. Not the parents, movies, games or guns.

mattisgod01

Anybody that served overseas knows that a IED can be made with almost anything and are almost impossible to stop. So your going to ban everything??

To say that bans work look at drugs in every country there are laws banning them but it still goes on. I can beat,stab,poison,blow up,run over ect a person do you ban all those things then??

If so we should all be walking more people are killed /injured in cars in say the UK than with guns.

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

As someone else already pointed out bombs can be made out of a wide variety of things . Timothy McVeighnearly took down a building with a $5000fertilizer bomb.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

No they don't. Someone can do just as much damage with a makeshift explosive. The issue here is an issue with society and mental health. Prevention needs to be directed towards the individual not the method used. Methods will always change to adapt to the situation.

LJS9502_basic

Tell Terrorists that. They seem to have trouble with the whole makeshift bomb thing. But guns did play a key role here...They are what you'd call "The Murder Weapon"

It not about blaming it on the Guns. Guns are an inanimate object. Guns are just a tool, They happen to be very efficient at killing people. That's the point, Remove the ability for people to gain the means to inflict mass casualties. Nuclear Bombs don't kill people either with your logic. Still don't want nutters getting their hands on them.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]A gun does not kill people it is the person holds the gun that kills people. Yet when a terrorist uses a illegal gun to murder people then some moron thinks that banning guns is the answer. You can order explosives legally on the net and make a bomb with ordinary stuff you can buy at the store. So what you going to do ban everything ??

Anybody that served overseas knows that a IED can be made with almost anything and are almost impossible to stop. So your going to ban everything??

To say that bans work look at drugs in every country there are laws banning them but it still goes on. I can beat,stab,poison,blow up,run over ect a person do you ban all those things then??

If so we should all be walking more people are killed /injured in cars in say the UK than with guns.

UnknownSniper65

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

As someone else already pointed out bombs can be made out of a wide variety of things . Timothy McVeighnearly took down a building with a $5000fertilizer bomb.

Yes, Before fertilizer became closly regulated. You will never stop everything. The idea is to try as hard as you can. Not simply have a defeatist attitude and accept the way things are.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Where the Fvck do you think Illegal guns come from? Never mind, The tooth fairly no doubt.

LOXO7

Most guns used in Mexico are taken from the police and military

Alot of corruption in Mexico. Cartels have been known to buy out Generals. And very high ranking police and politicians. They have many means of acquiring guns.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Tell Terrorists that. They seem to have trouble with the whole makeshift bomb thing. But guns did play a key role here...They are what you'd call "The Murder Weapon"

mattisgod01

It not about blaming it on the Guns. Guns are an inanimate object. Guns are just a tool, They happen to be very efficient at killing people. That's the point, Remove the ability for people to gain the means to inflict mass casualties. Nuclear Bombs don't kill people either with your logic. Still don't want nutters getting their hands on them.

I don't understand this, why would someone do something like this? What were his motives?

This all sounds weird and random.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

mattisgod01

As someone else already pointed out bombs can be made out of a wide variety of things . Timothy McVeighnearly took down a building with a $5000fertilizer bomb.

Yes, Before fertilizer became closly regulated. You will never stop everything. The idea is to try as hard as you can. Not simply have a defeatist attitude and accept the way things are.

The point I am making is that the method of carrying out murder will simply adapt to the circumstances. The best prevention is to stop somebody from even getting to the state where they are willing to do these kind of crimes. If it wasn't a gun it would be a knife or a bomb. If it isn't a fertilizer bomb it will be something else like a crude homemade grenade or a molotov cocktail. The solution here should be a cultural and mental health solution. Methods will always change to meet the desired resulted. Its basic human nature.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

...

Me defending America

http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28857329/a-funny-video-about-the-conspiracy-theory-of-september-11?page=0

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I could go on but i think you get the point. with these links i can also kill 2 birds with one stone, Or discredit 2 LJ lies with one post. They both prove that no only do i refrain from bashing the US in threads open to it, I go as far as to defend America on several occasions. You will also note in these links a trend, LJ is present in almost all and he is, Yes you guessed it, Bashing America, Nah he's not. He is nothing short ff Strident in his defence. Not surprising.

Now I ask that you withdraw you savage lies, And repent for your sins. REPENT!!!!

LOXO7

That one is not defending America. It's you ridiculing Americans who think a certain way. This is the only link I looked at. Maybe I got the only one?

I'm sorry, I thought trying to convicne Americans that the whole 9/11 hoax thing was stupid and that the US government was not behind is counted as support...Does claiming that the US government killed thousands of their own people to fuel a war count as support?

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Most guns used in Mexico are taken from the police and military

mattisgod01

Alot of corruption in Mexico. Cartels have been known to buy out Generals. And very high ranking police and politicians. They have many means of acquiring guns.

woke up a little while ago to this news. Terrible, people just came to see a good movie and they had to deal with this tragedy.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

As someone else already pointed out bombs can be made out of a wide variety of things . Timothy McVeighnearly took down a building with a $5000fertilizer bomb.

UnknownSniper65

Yes, Before fertilizer became closly regulated. You will never stop everything. The idea is to try as hard as you can. Not simply have a defeatist attitude and accept the way things are.

The point I am making is that the method of carrying out murder will simply adapt to the circumstances. The best prevention is to stop somebody from even getting to the state where they are willing to do these kind of crimes. If it wasn't a gun it would be a knife or a bomb. If it isn't a fertilizer bomb it will be something else like a crude homemade grenade or a molotov cocktail. The solution here should be a cultural and mental health solution. Methods will always change to meet the desired resulted. Its basic human nature.

Well Grenades and Molotovs are better then fertilizer bombs. I believe the Bali Bombs where also fertilizer. It is a substance that can make some Serious explosives. It will always be a war between those who wish to harm and those who wish to prevent it, Those who seek to prevent it must make proactive steps in order to so so. Reactive policy always follows tragedy.

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

The only person to blame is the person who actually did the deed. Not the parents, movies, games or guns.

mattisgod01

Anybody that served overseas knows that a IED can be made with almost anything and are almost impossible to stop. So your going to ban everything??

To say that bans work look at drugs in every country there are laws banning them but it still goes on. I can beat,stab,poison,blow up,run over ect a person do you ban all those things then??

If so we should all be walking more people are killed /injured in cars in say the UK than with guns.

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] Whoa. Continue with more information please. Taken? Are you sure? Taken by force? Or stolen? Or given?LOXO7

Alot of corruption in Mexico. Cartels have been known to buy out Generals. And very high ranking police and politicians. They have many means of acquiring guns.

Yes, But in a way. They Would Get their Gear through the US Military and Department of Defence. So it can be traced back to American supply i guess.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Alot of corruption in Mexico. Cartels have been known to buy out Generals. And very high ranking police and politicians. They have many means of acquiring guns.

mattisgod01

Yes, But in a way. They Would Get their Gear through the US Military and Department of Defence. So it can be traced back to American supply i guess.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] Whoa. Continue with more information please. Taken? Are you sure? Taken by force? Or stolen? Or given?LOXO7

Alot of corruption in Mexico. Cartels have been known to buy out Generals. And very high ranking police and politicians. They have many means of acquiring guns.

Yes, its not uncommon for guns belonging to the Mexican police and military to find their way to cartels through illegal sales or desertion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57337289/legal-u.s-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cartels/

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]A gun does not kill people it is the person holds the gun that kills people. Yet when a terrorist uses a illegal gun to murder people then some moron thinks that banning guns is the answer. You can order explosives legally on the net and make a bomb with ordinary stuff you can buy at the store. So what you going to do ban everything ??

Anybody that served overseas knows that a IED can be made with almost anything and are almost impossible to stop. So your going to ban everything??

To say that bans work look at drugs in every country there are laws banning them but it still goes on. I can beat,stab,poison,blow up,run over ect a person do you ban all those things then??

If so we should all be walking more people are killed /injured in cars in say the UK than with guns.

noscope-ak47

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

How many people are killed by bombs in the US? It's rare. Yes people can make bombs but even so it isn't the current issue. Bombs will always be much harder to come by then guns. The Police would also have an esier time preventing bombings then they do shootings as it's not like bombing are spare of the moment acts, Like many shootings are.

Did this thread really turn into a gun debate?...

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Yes, Before fertilizer became closly regulated. You will never stop everything. The idea is to try as hard as you can. Not simply have a defeatist attitude and accept the way things are.

mattisgod01

The point I am making is that the method of carrying out murder will simply adapt to the circumstances. The best prevention is to stop somebody from even getting to the state where they are willing to do these kind of crimes. If it wasn't a gun it would be a knife or a bomb. If it isn't a fertilizer bomb it will be something else like a crude homemade grenade or a molotov cocktail. The solution here should be a cultural and mental health solution. Methods will always change to meet the desired resulted. Its basic human nature.

Well Grenades and Molotovs are better then fertilizer bombs. I believe the Bali Bombs where also fertilizer. It is a substance that can make some Serious explosives. It will always be a war between those who wish to harm and those who wish to prevent it, Those who seek to prevent it must make proactive steps in order to so so. Reactive policy always follows tragedy.

Reactive policy is exactly what you are asking for though. We can't keep banning substances after they have been used before you know it you'll have to give a stool sample to buy anything out of a drug store.

Did this thread really turn into a gun debate?...

dominer

Did this thread really turn into a gun debate?...

dominer

Happens every time, instead of just focusing on what happened and giving condolences or whatever they always argue about this stupidity.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] Oh. Was he talking about Mexican military and police?LJS9502_basic

Yes, But in a way. They Would Get their Gear through the US Military and Department of Defence. So it can be traced back to American supply i guess.

Well it can, The US does arm the Mexican Military and Police. That's a fact. These guns through various channels find their way into the hands of Cartels. US guns going to drug Cartels. Not a rumour, Statement of fact. Let's not forget "Fast and the Furious"

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]A gun does not kill people it is the person holds the gun that kills people. Yet when a terrorist uses a illegal gun to murder people then some moron thinks that banning guns is the answer. You can order explosives legally on the net and make a bomb with ordinary stuff you can buy at the store. So what you going to do ban everything ??

Anybody that served overseas knows that a IED can be made with almost anything and are almost impossible to stop. So your going to ban everything??

To say that bans work look at drugs in every country there are laws banning them but it still goes on. I can beat,stab,poison,blow up,run over ect a person do you ban all those things then??

If so we should all be walking more people are killed /injured in cars in say the UK than with guns.

noscope-ak47

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

You can't make GUNS out of almost anything, though. Yet, they are legal and are used for more violent killings in the US than any other weapon - including fertilizer bombs or any other homemade IED.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

...

Me defending America

http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28857329/a-funny-video-about-the-conspiracy-theory-of-september-11?page=0

...

I could go on but i think you get the point. with these links i can also kill 2 birds with one stone, Or discredit 2 LJ lies with one post. They both prove that no only do i refrain from bashing the US in threads open to it, I go as far as to defend America on several occasions. You will also note in these links a trend, LJ is present in almost all and he is, Yes you guessed it, Bashing America, Nah he's not. He is nothing short ff Strident in his defence. Not surprising.

Now I ask that you withdraw you savage lies, And repent for your sins. REPENT!!!!

mattisgod01

That one is not defending America. It's you ridiculing Americans who think a certain way. This is the only link I looked at. Maybe I got the only one?

I'm sorry, I thought trying to convicne Americans that the whole 9/11 hoax thing was stupid and that the US government was not behind is counted as support...Does claiming that the US government killed thousands of their own people to fuel a war count as support?

[QUOTE="dominer"]

Did this thread really turn into a gun debate?...

CHOASXIII

Happens every time, instead of just focusing on what happened and giving condolences or whatever they always argue about this stupidity.

Condolences to who? None of us where involved nor are any of this vicitms reading this. We are discussing the issue. Isn't that enough?

If only everyone wasn't allowed to have a gun in the US, these things might not happen so often.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Alot of corruption in Mexico. Cartels have been known to buy out Generals. And very high ranking police and politicians. They have many means of acquiring guns.

mattisgod01

Yes, But in a way. They Would Get their Gear through the US Military and Department of Defence. So it can be traced back to American supply i guess.

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

[QUOTE="dominer"]

Did this thread really turn into a gun debate?...

mattisgod01

Happens every time, instead of just focusing on what happened and giving condolences or whatever they always argue about this stupidity.

Condolences to who? None of us where involved nor are any of this vicitms reading this. We are discussing the issue. Isn't that enough?

I mean instead of just saying, "Oh that's sad" and just leaving it at that things always turn into debates because of childish behavior.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

That one is not defending America. It's you ridiculing Americans who think a certain way. This is the only link I looked at. Maybe I got the only one?

LOXO7

I'm sorry, I thought trying to convicne Americans that the whole 9/11 hoax thing was stupid and that the US government was not behind is counted as support...Does claiming that the US government killed thousands of their own people to fuel a war count as support?

It is such a cynical view to have, It would take far too many people to be in on it. We are not going to get into a 9/11 debate are we?

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

Netherscourge

You can't make GUNS out of almost anything, though. Yet, they are legal and are used for more violent killings in the US than any other weapon - including fertilizer bombs, which could be made out of fertizlier.

Guns are only used because they are culturally associated with this kind of violence. If shanks or bombs had the samesignificance they would be more common. Its all about what the person thinks to use and what they are able to get a hold of. Banning every tool or substance that can be dangerous doesn't prevent someone from hurting people. Like I've said a million times the problem lies with the individual and that is what needs to be addressed.

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world please dont think all americans are like this guy.

i swear weer not all bat sh!t crazy

If only everyone wasn't allowed to have a gun in the US, these things might not happen so often.

CondorCalabasas

Wait, wait, why punish everyone? :?

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

In a country with no shortage of Mortars and Rockets etc. They can be made easily. The US has been very successful in recent years preventing Terrorists using bombs.

It's true cars are more dangerous but cars serve a more justifiable purpose in society.

If hypothetically you could remove all guns in the US, And keep them out. Would you prefer that option?

Netherscourge

You can't make GUNS out of almost anything, though. Yet, they are legal and are used for more violent killings in the US than any other weapon - including fertilizer bombs or any other homemade IED.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Happens every time, instead of just focusing on what happened and giving condolences or whatever they always argue about this stupidity.

CHOASXIII

Condolences to who? None of us where involved nor are any of this vicitms reading this. We are discussing the issue. Isn't that enough?

I mean instead of just saying, "Oh that's sad" and just leaving it at that things always turn into debates because of childish behavior.

It is sad, But thats as far as i can go. I didn't know them personally nor do i know the name of a single victim. How far can genuine sympathy go without more information?

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]

If only everyone wasn't allowed to have a gun in the US, these things might not happen so often.

leviathan91

Wait, wait, why punish everyone? :?

Doesn't it seem so legit.:roll:

If only everyone wasn't allowed to have a gun in the US, these things might not happen so often.

CondorCalabasas

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Condolences to who? None of us where involved nor are any of this vicitms reading this. We are discussing the issue. Isn't that enough?

mattisgod01

I mean instead of just saying, "Oh that's sad" and just leaving it at that things always turn into debates because of childish behavior.

It is sad, But thats as far as i can go. I didn't know them personally nor do i know the name of a single victim. How far can genuine sympathy go without more information?

I just think arguing in threads over pointless things is just pointless but that's just my opinion.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]I say guns are not the problem. You can make a bomb out of almost anything and with a remote and a cell phone you can kill your target. I personally have seen what IED's can do and they have been made out even fertilizer. If somebody wants to kill they will find away. They safety you enjoy is pure chance and hard work by people that you will never meet that put it all on the line for you.

noscope-ak47

You can't make GUNS out of almost anything, though. Yet, they are legal and are used for more violent killings in the US than any other weapon - including fertilizer bombs or any other homemade IED.

The Zip gun was less useful than a knife. Sure it had some range but it was otherwise worthless junk.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"] Intentional homicide rate per 100000 people, 2011. United States - 4.8 Canada - 1.62 United Kingdom - 1.23 Australia - 1.16 I would say Australia is 4x the bastion that the USA is. I am going to just assume gun related deaths are probably a lot lower than the USA in comparison to all murder. Human-after-all

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

I mean instead of just saying, "Oh that's sad" and just leaving it at that things always turn into debates because of childish behavior.

CHOASXIII

It is sad, But thats as far as i can go. I didn't know them personally nor do i know the name of a single victim. How far can genuine sympathy go without more information?

I just think arguing in threads over pointless things is just pointless but that's just my opinion.

Gun control isn't a pointless topic.

That's so fvcking awful. :(

RIP to everybody that lost their lives and prayers to those who lost family members.

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

It is sad, But thats as far as i can go. I didn't know them personally nor do i know the name of a single victim. How far can genuine sympathy go without more information?

mattisgod01

I just think arguing in threads over pointless things is just pointless but that's just my opinion.

Gun control isn't a pointless topic.

It's pointless to bring it up every single time there is a thread about a shooting.

If only everyone wasn't allowed to have a gun in the US, these things might not happen so often.

CondorCalabasas

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Again.....crimes are mainly committed with ILLEGAL firearms. I'm not sure what seems to be so hard for people to grasp about that.UnknownSniper65

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Again.....crimes are mainly committed with ILLEGAL firearms. I'm not sure what seems to be so hard for people to grasp about that.UnknownSniper65

WHich for the millionth time proves it isn't firearms that are the cause...its a problem with our society that gun control won't fix.

Why do people use guns over knives? Simple, They are more efficient at killing. You give people Superior killing weapons it will result in more fatalities. Sure the US has issues to consider that contribute but so do guns. How many people would have survived a violent altercation if guns weren't invovled?