Not supporting same sex marriage does NOT make someone a bigot.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] I like how you accuse me of jumping to conclusions even as you do the exact same thing. Never did I say that being pro-gay depends on always going to your gay friends' weddings. ghoklebutter

don't feed him

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.

ShadowMoses900

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

I gotta agree with the post that said if bucked, hart and shadowmoses agree on something.

You know it's the wrong view.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] Moses, he cares a lot for some reason, that he has ailed to explainDroidPhysX

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.

ShadowMoses900

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Still intrigued. Why would he oppose gay marriage? It's not religious. So why would he hold on to a definition that is so old its p*ssy is haunted? Christian friends? Revenge after his last boyfriend dumped him through WhatsApp? To hold a controversial opinion on Gamespot? Or is this about real men and gender silliness?MrPraline

I guess professing that he doesnt oppose it due to religious reasons lends him some credibility (OT users on average dont take religious arguments seriously). But thats where it stops. He then has to explain why, if not for religious reasons, and saying "its weird" just doesnt sound convincing. So we get the "its none of your business" response.

He could use some arguments other than religious ones (human biology for instance), but not only are those arguments weak, Shadowdemons is also unable to argue. Its good he's aware of his limitations.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] BigotLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.

It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.

why would anybody be freinds with somebody like that? They clearly have issues.

ShadowMoses900

Yep you can still be friends with someone even though you disagree with things.

yes you are, everyone should be treated the same... And saying this is another matter is discrimination. I am not a gay activist, but saying they don't deserve that and treating them different makes you a bigot or anyone else having this opinion a bigotThe_Last_Ride

Of course I deserve they should be treated the same. They should have all the same legal rights as everyone else. But marriage it's self is a man and woman, it's an important social institution that I believe should remain in society.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] Moses, he cares a lot for some reason, that he has ailed to explainworlock77

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Religious reasons are usually just a justification for opposing it based on it being... "weird" or "icky" (a gut feeling behind the mask of a holy being). Or whatever of the sort. /imo, although I'm pretty sure

I guess professing that he doesnt oppose it due to religious reasons lends him some credibility (OT users on average dont take religious arguments seriously). But thats where it stops. He then has to explain why, if not for religious reasons, and saying "its weird" just doesnt sound convincing. So we get the "its none of your business" response.

He could use some arguments other than religious ones (human biology for instance), but not only are those arguments weak, Shadowdemons is also unable to argue. Its good he's aware of his limitations.

ShadowsDemon

Yep you can still be friends with someone even though you disagree with things.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] Moses, he cares a lot for some reason, that he has ailed to explainworlock77

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

How does not "believing" in gay marriage benefit you in any way? Most people that hold viewpoints, have them for some sort of benefit for themselves. I think marijuana should be legal, because I like to enjoy it. I think gay should have the same rights, because having everyone have access to equal rights under the law is a good thing and makes me feel good. How, exactly does your stance benefit YOU?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] What are you babbling about?Rich3232

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] Moses, he cares a lot for some reason, that he has ailed to explainworlock77

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]yes you are, everyone should be treated the same... And saying this is another matter is discrimination. I am not a gay activist, but saying they don't deserve that and treating them different makes you a bigot or anyone else having this opinion a bigotShadowMoses900

Of course I deserve they should be treated the same. They should have all the same legal rights as everyone else. But marriage it's self is a man and woman, it's an important social institution that I believe should remain in society.

How does not "believing" in gay marriage benefit you in any way? Most people that hold viewpoints, have them for some sort of benefit for themselves. I think marijuana should be legal, because I like to enjoy it. I think gay should have the same rights, because having everyone have access to equal rights under the law is a good thing and makes me feel good. How, exactly does your stance benefit YOU?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

ShadowsDemon

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Indifferent and neutral would have been not voting at all.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

yes you are, everyone should be treated the same... And saying this is another matter is discrimination. I am not a gay activist, but saying they don't deserve that and treating them different makes you a bigot or anyone else having this opinion a bigotThe_Last_Ride

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Yep you can still be friends with someone even though you disagree with things.

JustPlainLucas

Lol that sounds crazy.

And no my relationship with gay people is nothing like that. I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, we simply say "to each his own" and leave it at that.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

Why would you vote against something that you claim doesn't bother you?

tl;dr

shadowmosses believes gays should be equal and at the same time unequal

gays dont bother him until he goes to the voting booth

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

toast_burner

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

I do support equality, just not changing marriage.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

Rich3232

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

MrPraline

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

worlock77

Indifferent and neutral would have been not voting at all.

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]yes you are, everyone should be treated the same... And saying this is another matter is discrimination. I am not a gay activist, but saying they don't deserve that and treating them different makes you a bigot or anyone else having this opinion a bigotShadowMoses900

Of course I deserve they should be treated the same. They should have all the same legal rights as everyone else. But marriage it's self is a man and woman, it's an important social institution that I believe should remain in society.

What makes it an important social institution? What about it makes it so important to remain man/woman only? What is important socially about that?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

ShadowMoses900

I do support equality, just not changing marriage.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

How does not "believing" in gay marriage benefit you in any way? Most people that hold viewpoints, have them for some sort of benefit for themselves. I think marijuana should be legal, because I like to enjoy it. I think gay should have the same rights, because having everyone have access to equal rights under the law is a good thing and makes me feel good. How, exactly does your stance benefit YOU?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Yep you can still be friends with someone even though you disagree with things.

ShadowMoses900

Lol that sounds crazy.

And no my relationship with gay people is nothing like that. I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, we simply say "to each his own" and leave it at that.

Also if you're that worried about protecting the "important social institution" that is marriage, maybe you should ban divorce instead. Just a thought.MrPraline

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Why would I vote for something I don't believe in?

ShadowMoses900

I do support equality, just not changing marriage.

Please answer this question, I'm really curious as to what your answer would be; If I were to say Jews shouldn't be allowed to marry would that make me an anti-semite?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

How does not "believing" in gay marriage benefit you in any way? Most people that hold viewpoints, have them for some sort of benefit for themselves. I think marijuana should be legal, because I like to enjoy it. I think gay should have the same rights, because having everyone have access to equal rights under the law is a good thing and makes me feel good. How, exactly does your stance benefit YOU?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, MrPraline

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

How does not "believing" in gay marriage benefit you in any way? Most people that hold viewpoints, have them for some sort of benefit for themselves. I think marijuana should be legal, because I like to enjoy it. I think gay should have the same rights, because having everyone have access to equal rights under the law is a good thing and makes me feel good. How, exactly does your stance benefit YOU?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, MrPraline

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Yep you can still be friends with someone even though you disagree with things.

JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, ShadowMoses900

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, ShadowMoses900

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] And actively opposing their ability to get married is not hurtful?Abbeten

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, ShadowMoses900

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.