Not supporting same sex marriage does NOT make someone a bigot.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm not a hompophobic bigot that hurts people, ShadowMoses900

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] And actively opposing their ability to get married is not hurtful?Rich3232

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] And actively opposing their ability to get married is not hurtful?toast_burner

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

This is pretty much the worst "argument" I have ever seen in years on OT. ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] And actively opposing their ability to get married is not hurtful?Abbeten

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

Nibroc420

Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

ShadowMoses900

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Voting against something is not "not supporting it" it's opposing it.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I can understand they see it as getting the equal rights they deserve, but they should see it that not everyone believes that marriage should be changed.

And lol I'm not "actively opposing" anything, what a stupid claim on your part. I don't speak against gay people or gay marriage, I just say "to each his own", but simply choosing to not support something on a ballot I don't believe in is fine and not bigoted at all.

ShadowMoses900

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Voting against something is not "not supporting it" it's opposing it.

toast_burner

Because I don't believe in changing what marriage is. It has nothing to do with hating gay people or anything.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] He's not opposed to it. He's just not okay with it.ShadowMoses900

Because I don't believe in changing what marriage is. It has nothing to do with hating gay people or anything.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Voting against something is not "not supporting it" it's opposing it.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] He's not opposed to it. He's just not okay with it.ShadowMoses900

Because I don't believe in changing what marriage is. It has nothing to do with hating gay people or anything.

i probably burned around 2 packs just on this topic. Rich3232

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.

ShadowMoses900

I don't care what they do. I just simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Religious reasons are usually just a justification for opposing it based on it being... "weird" or "icky" (a gut feeling behind the mask of a holy being). Or whatever of the sort. /imo, although I'm pretty sure

I guess professing that he doesnt oppose it due to religious reasons lends him some credibility (OT users on average dont take religious arguments seriously). But thats where it stops. He then has to explain why, if not for religious reasons, and saying "its weird" just doesnt sound convincing. So we get the "its none of your business" response.

He could use some arguments other than religious ones (human biology for instance), but not only are those arguments weak, Shadowdemons is also unable to argue. Its good he's aware of his limitations.

ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] He's not opposed to it. He's just not okay with it.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.

SpartanMSU

I don't care what they do. I just simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Then why did he vote against it?

toast_burner

Because I don't believe in changing what marriage is. It has nothing to do with hating gay people or anything.

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't care what they do. I just simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

LJS9502_basic

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

JustPlainLucas

They already get the same rights in my state through civil unions. I didn't vote against anyone's rights.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Because I don't believe in changing what marriage is. It has nothing to do with hating gay people or anything.

ShadowMoses900

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Because I don't believe in changing what marriage is. It has nothing to do with hating gay people or anything.

ShadowMoses900

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.

If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.

ShadowsDemon

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

ShadowMoses900

They already get the same rights in my state through civil unions. I didn't vote against anyone's rights.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.

SpartanMSU

I don't care what they do. I just simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

I have been to states where they allow it. It doesn't bother me when I meet a gay couple that introduces their significant other as their "husband/wife".

Which is not being indifferent dave123321

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Apparently it would bother you, since you voted against it.

dave123321

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

ShadowMoses900

They already get the same rights in my state through civil unions. I didn't vote against anyone's rights.

No, they don't. This has been explained to you.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No it isn't. The ballot question was simply "Should the (state) legal definition of marriage change to allow same sex couples" and I voted no along with the strong majority of people in my state. And I can gurantee you that not everyone who didn't vote in favor of it is a bigot. Most of us have no problem with them having the same rights as married people at all.

JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"] But that's what the whole point of the bill was trying to accomplish! You voted AGAINST them having the same rights as you. Throw out semantics for one second and realize what you just did. worlock77

They already get the same rights in my state through civil unions. I didn't vote against anyone's rights.

No, they don't. This has been explained to you.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Why don't you believe in changing it? it's changed many times before and can change again/

Abbeten

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

Oh get over yourself. I never said they were inferior.

And a good half of you guys arn't even expressing your honest opinions. You're just trying to fit in around here. Some of you have PM'd me about your real opinions on things and explained yourselves, you know who you are.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So the UK is against gay marriage since they use the term civil union?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't care what they do. I just simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

ShadowMoses900

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

I have been to states where they allow it. It doesn't bother me when I meet a gay couple that introduces their significant other as their "husband/wife".

Yet you don't think they should be allowed to marry...

On most issues, good arguments can be made for both sides. I really can't think of any for this one.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't care what they do. I just simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

ShadowMoses900

Clearly you do. If not, you'd have no problem with gays being allowed to marry. You want to restrict others' rights for a reason I can't even understand, and never will.

I have been to states where they allow it. It doesn't bother me when I meet a gay couple that introduces their significant other as their "husband/wife".

Oh, well since you've happened to have been to states that happen to allow it.....

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Why don't you believe in changing it? it's changed many times before and can change again/

Abbeten

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

They already get the same rights in my state through civil unions. I didn't vote against anyone's rights.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Oh get over yourself. I never said they were inferior.

And a good half of you guys arn't even expressing your honest opinions. You're just trying to fit in around here. Some of you have PM'd me about your real opinions on things and explained yourselves, you know who you are.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Oh get over yourself. I never said they were inferior.

And a good half of you guys arn't even expressing your honest opinions. You're just trying to fit in around here. Some of you have PM'd me about your real opinions on things and explained yourselves, you know who you are.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Oh get over yourself. I never said they were inferior.

And a good half of you guys arn't even expressing your honest opinions. You're just trying to fit in around here. Some of you have PM'd me about your real opinions on things and explained yourselves, you know who you are.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have already given my reasons.

Look you guys are so judgemental you don't even understand anything. Simply not supporting same sex marriage does not mean you hate gay people. I believe gays should have all the same rights as married people, it's wrong that they can't get the same medical benefits etc....as married couples do. I want them to have all those same rights, I just don't want to call it marriage.

ShadowMoses900

Oh get over yourself. I never said they were inferior.

And a good half of you guys arn't even expressing your honest opinions. You're just trying to fit in around here. Some of you have PM'd me about your real opinions on things and explained yourselves, you know who you are.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] abloo bloo bloo you guys you're so mean and judgmental for calling me a bigot just because i want gay people to have their relationships legally defined as inferior bloo bloo why can't you just be open minded like meDroidPhysX

Oh get over yourself. I never said they were inferior.

And a good half of you guys arn't even expressing your honest opinions. You're just trying to fit in around here. Some of you have PM'd me about your real opinions on things and explained yourselves, you know who you are.