[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] By that logic, anyone who didn't attend 2012's Gay Pride Parade is also a Bigot. ROFL That's the arguement. You didn't attend an event, which involved gay people. His friends went to a different country to get married, he politely declined for unknown reasons. You immediately assume it's because he's against the marrage, rather than being logical and thinking "Hey, maybe he couldn't afford the loss of work and cost of travel". It's straight to the "Oh, you're a liar and a bigot." The joys of OT's ignorance and ability to jump at people for no reason.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] I definitely did not ask that, btw.Ring_of_fire
I know, just taking into account other actions that can make someone bigoted without relying on the voting angle. When you quoted it, it said I was the one that posed the question.........I'm just confused.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]There are multiple dictionaries, only the legal one counts.ShadowMoses900
LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
But that's exactly what you're doing. You even said you voted against it which is even worse than simply speaking against it.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage?s=t Definition 1b. Are you saying the dictionary is wrong?Rich3232
There are multiple dictionaries, only the legal one counts.
marriage legal definition of marriage. marriage synonyms by the ...
"Although the court did not recognize a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, it indicated that the state would have a difficult time proving that the gay and lesbian couples were not being denied equal protection of the laws. On remand, the Circuit Court of Hawaii found that the state had not met its burden, and it enjoined the state from denying marriage applications solely because the applicants were of the same sex"
What's funny is that that's the second time he's posted that page and the second time that part has been pointed out to him.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?Abbeten
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
so your argument against gay marriage is from the legal definition, but your opinion won't change with the legal definition? you know what that's called? the B word
Then they aren't realy your freinds then. Who wouldn't go to a close freinds wedding?
MakeMeaSammitch
I would rather have a friend who doesn't believe in gay marriage decline my invitation than attend my ceremony knowing he shouldn't be there. Honesty is the most important factor in any relationship...
There are multiple dictionaries, only the legal one counts.
marriage legal definition of marriage. marriage synonyms by the ...
worlock77
"Although the court did not recognize a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, it indicated that the state would have a difficult time proving that the gay and lesbian couples were not being denied equal protection of the laws. On remand, the Circuit Court of Hawaii found that the state had not met its burden, and it enjoined the state from denying marriage applications solely because the applicants were of the same sex"
What's funny is that that's the second time he's posted that page and the second time that part has been pointed out to him.
yep, i bet he thought that everyone forgot that little tidbit.
[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] When you quoted it, it said I was the one that posed the question.........I'm just confused. Oh, sorry. Hahaha. I suck at paying attention to quote trees, and I hate editing them even more. :lol:
They have invited me to their civil union ceremony and one of them went up to Canada and got married there, I politely declined on both occassions.
Nibroc420
Oh dear, I thought you supported civil unions. Looks like we have a liar on our hands here. Again, more assumptions from those with prejudice. You assume he's lying because he didn't go to an event. By that logic, anyone who didn't attend 2012's Gay Pride Parade is also a Bigot. 1) He's a homophobe and 2) those were his close friends. I could be wrong, of course, but still...
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?MrPraline
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
But you said the legal definition is the only one that counts. So if, in the future, this definition is extended to include gay marriage as well, you would consider them real marriages. Right? Because the only relevant definition that you follow says so.
No I would not consider them to be marriages personally, but if the state decided it did it wouldn't reall bother me too much. I just personally would not attend a gay wedding nor would I refer to them as that. I would still personally call them "civil partnerships" or gay ceremonies" or something.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]There are multiple dictionaries, only the legal one counts.ShadowMoses900
LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] By that logic, anyone who didn't attend 2012's Gay Pride Parade is also a Bigot. ROFL That's the arguement. You didn't attend an event, which involved gay people. His friends went to a different country to get married, he politely declined for unknown reasons. You immediately assume it's because he's against the marrage, rather than being logical and thinking "Hey, maybe he couldn't afford the loss of work and cost of travel". It's straight to the "Oh, you're a liar and a bigot." The joys of OT's ignorance and ability to jump at people for no reason. I asked him, as part of a conversation about his thoughts on gay marriage, if he would ever attend the wedding(s) of a loved one. His answer was that he politely declined twice. Considering the whole argument was about gay marriage, not logistics, travel expenses, hotels or emergencies, I don't really see much need to read between the lines here.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?toast_burner
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
But that's exactly what you're doing. You even said you voted against it which is even worse than simply speaking against it.bigotry discussed by semantics.
Severe cognitive dissonance itt by somebody who doesn't want to admit a personal problem.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] ROFL That's the arguement. You didn't attend an event, which involved gay people. His friends went to a different country to get married, he politely declined for unknown reasons. You immediately assume it's because he's against the marrage, rather than being logical and thinking "Hey, maybe he couldn't afford the loss of work and cost of travel". It's straight to the "Oh, you're a liar and a bigot." The joys of OT's ignorance and ability to jump at people for no reason. I asked him, as part of a conversation about his thoughts on gay marriage, if he would ever attend the wedding(s) of a loved one. His answer was that he politely declined twice. Considering the whole argument was about gay marriage, not logistics, travel expenses, hotels or emergencies, I don't really see much need to read between the lines here. I'm going to give you some advice. Nibroc...don't get involved. You'll thank me.....
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?toast_burner
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
But that's exactly what you're doing. You even said you voted against it which is even worse than simply speaking against it.
I don't speak against it, I don't go out in public and yell at gay people. I'm tolerant of other people and I don't believe in demonizing others like you do.
I voted against a lot of things, I voted against a second property tax increase too. Am I a bigot for doing that? If polygamy or incest was on the ballot I wold have voted no on those as well. Not bigoted at all.
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
ShadowMoses900
But you said the legal definition is the only one that counts. So if, in the future, this definition is extended to include gay marriage as well, you would consider them real marriages. Right? Because the only relevant definition that you follow says so.
No I would not consider them to be marriages personally, but if the state decided it did it wouldn't reall bother me too much. I just personally would not attend a gay wedding nor would I refer to them as that. I would still personally call them "civil partnerships" or gay ceremonies" or something.
I don't understand. You follow a legal definition. The legal definition is the only one that matters (your words). With that stance your opinion HAS to change with the definition. I know why you're doing this, and I know you do not really care about the legal definition. But stop hiding behind it then.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]There are multiple dictionaries, only the legal one counts.ShadowMoses900
LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
If at a later time a proposal to reverse the legalization were to be put up to a vote, would you vote to make gay marriage illegal again?
Then they aren't realy your freinds then. Who wouldn't go to a close freinds wedding?
JustPlainLucas
I would rather have a friend who doesn't believe in gay marriage decline my invitation than attend my ceremony knowing he shouldn't be there. Honesty is the most important factor in any relationship... that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.
It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.
why would anybody be freinds with somebody like that? They clearly have issues.
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Oh dear, I thought you supported civil unions. Looks like we have a liar on our hands here. Again, more assumptions from those with prejudice. You assume he's lying because he didn't go to an event. By that logic, anyone who didn't attend 2012's Gay Pride Parade is also a Bigot. 1) He's a homophobe and 2) those were his close friends. I could be wrong, of course, but still... Some people dont exactly have the money to take a week off work, travel to another country, spend a few days there, all to see your friends get married. ITT: Attend every one of your gay friend's weddings, regardless of how close of a friend they are, or how far away they're going for a wedding; Because if you dont, you're a homophobe and a bigot.
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
ShadowMoses900
But that's exactly what you're doing. You even said you voted against it which is even worse than simply speaking against it.
I don't speak against it, I don't go out in public and yell at gay people. I'm tolerant of other people and I don't believe in demonizing others like you do.
I voted against a lot of things, I voted against a second property tax increase too. Am I a bigot for doing that? If polygamy or incest was on the ballot I wold have voted no on those as well. Not bigoted at all.
Have you ever heard the expression "actions are louder than words"?
Then they aren't realy your freinds then. Who wouldn't go to a close freinds wedding?
MakeMeaSammitch
I would rather have a friend who doesn't believe in gay marriage decline my invitation than attend my ceremony knowing he shouldn't be there. Honesty is the most important factor in any relationship... that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.
It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I would rather have a friend who doesn't believe in gay marriage decline my invitation than attend my ceremony knowing he shouldn't be there. Honesty is the most important factor in any relationship... LJS9502_basic
that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.
It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I would rather have a friend who doesn't believe in gay marriage decline my invitation than attend my ceremony knowing he shouldn't be there. Honesty is the most important factor in any relationship... LJS9502_basic
that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.
It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.
Native? Once again, an LJS post with little to nothing to discuss. Yes, LJS, a Native. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Native
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] But you said the legal definition is the only one that counts. So if, in the future, this definition is extended to include gay marriage as well, you would consider them real marriages. Right? Because the only relevant definition that you follow says so.MrPraline
No I would not consider them to be marriages personally, but if the state decided it did it wouldn't reall bother me too much. I just personally would not attend a gay wedding nor would I refer to them as that. I would still personally call them "civil partnerships" or gay ceremonies" or something.
I don't understand. You follow a legal definition. The legal definition is the only one that matters (your words). With that stance your opinion HAS to change with the definition. I know why you're doing this, and I know you do not really care about the legal definition. But stop hiding behind it then.
Exactly, just admit that gays don't deserve to be married because your imaginary friend told you so, then we can lock this thread!
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] LOL So once gay marriage is legal in all states you will still adhere to that legal definition?dave123321
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
If at a later time a proposal to reverse the legalization were to be put up to a vote, would you vote to make gay marriage illegal again?
I don't think gay people should be arrested or anything like that, no. It would be up to the state to decide, if the people vote and they decide that they would allow it then so be it. I don't think it's the end of the world like you guys are making it seem like I am.
I would however still vote against it. Simpy make civil unions offer all the same rights as marriage and leave it at that.
No. But if my state did vote yes on allowing it then that's just how it would be. I just wouldn't attend those "weddings" and I wouldn't personally consider them to be marriages.
I wouldn't go out and yell or try to stop gay couples from doing it.
ShadowMoses900
If at a later time a proposal to reverse the legalization were to be put up to a vote, would you vote to make gay marriage illegal again?
I don't think gay people should be arrested or anything like that, no. It would be up to the state to decide, if the people vote and they decide that they would allow it then so be it. I don't think it's the end of the world like you guys are making it seem like I am.
I would however still vote against it. Simpy make civil unions offer all the same rights as marriage and leave it at that.
still hiding your insecurities and bigotry behind semantics. Never change
No I would not consider them to be marriages personally, but if the state decided it did it wouldn't reall bother me too much. I just personally would not attend a gay wedding nor would I refer to them as that. I would still personally call them "civil partnerships" or gay ceremonies" or something.
Yusuke420
I don't understand. You follow a legal definition. The legal definition is the only one that matters (your words). With that stance your opinion HAS to change with the definition. I know why you're doing this, and I know you do not really care about the legal definition. But stop hiding behind it then.
Exactly, just admit that gays don't deserve to be married because your imaginary friend told you so, then we can lock this thread!
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Again, more assumptions from those with prejudice. You assume he's lying because he didn't go to an event. By that logic, anyone who didn't attend 2012's Gay Pride Parade is also a Bigot. 1) He's a homophobe and 2) those were his close friends. I could be wrong, of course, but still... Some people dont exactly have the money to take a week off work, travel to another country, spend a few days there, all to see your friends get married. ITT: Attend every one of your gay friend's weddings, regardless of how close of a friend they are, or how far away they're going for a wedding; Because if you dont, you're a homophobe and a bigot. I like how you accuse me of jumping to conclusions even as you do the exact same thing. Never did I say that being pro-gay depends on always going to your gay friends' weddings.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] 1) He's a homophobe and 2) those were his close friends. I could be wrong, of course, but still...ghoklebutter
Some people dont exactly have the money to take a week off work, travel to another country, spend a few days there, all to see your friends get married. ITT: Attend every one of your gay friend's weddings, regardless of how close of a friend they are, or how far away they're going for a wedding; Because if you dont, you're a homophobe and a bigot. I like how you accuse me of jumping to conclusions even as you do the exact same thing. Never did I say that being pro-gay depends on always going to your gay friends' weddings.
that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.
It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.
why would anybody be freinds with somebody like that? They clearly have issues.
MakeMeaSammitch
Yeah, it seems weird but some friendships are just stronger than others. Tolerance can go both ways. The gay friend can simply accept the fact that his straight friend doesn't believe in gay marriage. To automatically end a friendship because his friend thinks differently is in a way a form of intolerance. This is why I tried saying earlier that the term bigot is used too liberally, because it isn't as cut and try as some people make it out to be.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I don't understand. You follow a legal definition. The legal definition is the only one that matters (your words). With that stance your opinion HAS to change with the definition. I know why you're doing this, and I know you do not really care about the legal definition. But stop hiding behind it then.LJS9502_basic
Exactly, just admit that gays don't deserve to be married because your imaginary friend told you so, then we can lock this thread!
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Some people dont exactly have the money to take a week off work, travel to another country, spend a few days there, all to see your friends get married. ITT: Attend every one of your gay friend's weddings, regardless of how close of a friend they are, or how far away they're going for a wedding; Because if you dont, you're a homophobe and a bigot.wis3boi
I like how you accuse me of jumping to conclusions even as you do the exact same thing. Never did I say that being pro-gay depends on always going to your gay friends' weddings.
Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.
layton2012
Moses, he cares a lot for some reason, that he has ailed to explain
Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.
If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.
Who fvcking cares what two consenting adults do. I will never understand why this is such a big deal for some people.
ShadowMoses900
Moses, he cares a lot for some reason, that he has ailed to explain
Not really. I don't care if gay people want to be together, it doesn't bother me at all. That's their business, I just don't believe in a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting married the same way I don't believe a man and his sister or a man and 5 women should get married either.
If my state did allow gay marriage it wouldn't really bother me, it's not the end of the world to me if they did. I just don't believe in same sex marriage.
It bothered you to the point that you voted against it.
that's really weird that you would be freinds with somebody then.
It would be like not attending your latino freinds marriage because he/she is marrying a native and you are against interacial marraige.
why would anybody be freinds with somebody like that? They clearly have issues.
JustPlainLucas
Yeah, it seems weird but some friendships are just stronger than others. Tolerance can go both ways. The gay friend can simply accept the fact that his straight friend doesn't believe in gay marriage. To automatically end a friendship because his friend thinks differently is in a way a form of intolerance. This is why I tried saying earlier that the term bigot is used too liberally, because it isn't as cut and try as some people make it out to be.
Yep you can still be friends with someone even though you disagree with things.
Exactly, just admit that gays don't deserve to be married because your imaginary friend told you so, then we can lock this thread!
Yusuke420
Bigot What are you babbling about? You made a bigoted statement. And since you called Moses out for that.....that also makes you a hypocrite. As the saying goes....don't cast that first stone.;)
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