Not supporting same sex marriage does NOT make someone a bigot.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Would you vote against the legalization of gay marriage, shadow?ShadowMoses900

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] no, it's not the same i can disagree with religion without being a bigot, because i am not attempting to use the law to relegate them to inferior status that is what you are doing and that is bigotryYusuke420

I'm not denying them anything, I said I want them to have all the same rights. Just marriage it's self is between a man and a woman and that's how it is. Perhaps trying to go against that is bigotry?

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well that's your problem then. You should try to be a more open minded person.

ShadowMoses900

It's not bigoted. It's your problem that you can't understand different views without labeling somebody with a hate word that doesn't support your agenda.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Would you vote against the legalization of gay marriage, shadow?ShadowMoses900

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

"I want them to have the same rights as me, but I voted against giving them the same rights as me."

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Aare you sure about that....I said and I quote....A person can believe gay marriage is wrong without being a bigot...ie they don't march on DC and try to sway opinion, nor do they hate gay people or act intolerant of them.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Would you vote against the legalization of gay marriage, shadow?ShadowMoses900

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

Also why did you ignore my question "If I were to say Jews shouldn't be allowed to marry would that make me an anti-semite?"

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Would you vote against the legalization of gay marriage, shadow?dave123321

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

What if you're state offered a ballot option of allowing polygamist marriages? Or incest marriages? Or underage marriages? Or animal marriages? If you voted no against it would that make you a bigot too?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] The fact that I am trying to have a civil conversation with you shows I have an open mind. It is your problem that you cannot explain how the statement is not bigoted. Ring_of_fire

It's not bigoted. It's your problem that you can't understand different views without labeling somebody with a hate word that doesn't support your agenda.

The same way it's not bigoted for someone to say they disagree with a religion or a religious lifestyle.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]Yeah, but if these people are polled, the data will show that they are against gay marriage and political figures will use this info to deny gay rights. You can't walk like a duck, talk like a duck and bathe with ducks and expect to not be labeled as a duck, just pure facts. People who deny gay people the right to marriage are in the same group as racists and seperate but equal jim crow advocates. Why would you want your views to match up with those types of people?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm not denying them anything, I said I want them to have all the same rights. Just marriage it's self is between a man and a woman and that's how it is. Perhaps trying to go against that is bigotry?

ShadowMoses900

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

Yes, you did. You did when you voted against it.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm not denying them anything, I said I want them to have all the same rights. Just marriage it's self is between a man and a woman and that's how it is. Perhaps trying to go against that is bigotry?

ShadowMoses900

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's not bigoted. It's your problem that you can't understand different views without labeling somebody with a hate word that doesn't support your agenda.

ShadowMoses900

The same way it's not bigoted for someone to say they disagree with a religion or a religious lifestyle.

But it would be bigoted for that person to actively work against religious people having equal rights.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's not bigoted. It's your problem that you can't understand different views without labeling somebody with a hate word that doesn't support your agenda.

ShadowMoses900

The same way it's not bigoted for someone to say they disagree with a religion or a religious lifestyle.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

ShadowMoses900

What if you're state offered a ballot option of allowing polygamist marriages? Or incest marriages? Or underage marriages? Or animal marriages? If you voted no against it would that make you a bigot too?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] But you don't, you're being intellectually dishonest to justify your worldview, which is gay people aren't the same as me and don't deserve to have the same rights I do.

Yusuke420

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

For the love of God not this again.....IT IS NOT THE SAME. Why do you keep bringing racial issues into this? Gays are not the same thing as black people, black people weren't allowed to go to the same schools or work the same jobs or eat at the same restaruants etc.....gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah you want to know how the political system works.....here's a hint....call, write, post your congress men and women and tell them what you think is important. If enough people feel that gay marriage is important enough issue and get involved then their politicians will as well. Or you can sit on the internet complaining about polls. The polls should probably tell you how important the issue is to people. If gay marriage is not coming out at the top of the polls then it's an issue that the US isn't interested in....yet. How involved have you been?LJS9502_basic

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

ShadowMoses900

For the love of God not this again.....IT IS NOT THE SAME. Why do you keep bringing racial issues into this? Gays are not the same thing as black people, black people weren't allowed to go to the same schools or work the same jobs or eat at the same restaruants etc.....gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

ShadowMoses900

What if you're state offered a ballot option of allowing polygamist marriages? Or incest marriages? Or underage marriages? Or animal marriages? If you voted no against it would that make you a bigot too?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]Yeah, but if these people are polled, the data will show that they are against gay marriage and political figures will use this info to deny gay rights. You can't walk like a duck, talk like a duck and bathe with ducks and expect to not be labeled as a duck, just pure facts. People who deny gay people the right to marriage are in the same group as racists and seperate but equal jim crow advocates. Why would you want your views to match up with those types of people?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

ShadowMoses900

For the love of God not this again.....IT IS NOT THE SAME. Why do you keep bringing racial issues into this? Gays are not the same thing as black people, black people weren't allowed to go to the same schools or work the same jobs or eat at the same restaruants etc.....gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] Explain then, how is it not bigoted to say that you disagree with the homosexual lifestyle?layton2012

The same way it's not bigoted for someone to say they disagree with a religion or a religious lifestyle.

I don't think polygamests should get married either, does that make me a bigot too?

Marriage is a social institution that has been defined as a man and a woman. Period. Being against changing that is not bigoted in the slightest.

I'm all for gay couples having the same rights as married couples, but it's not marriage no matter how you want to spin it.

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The same way it's not bigoted for someone to say they disagree with a religion or a religious lifestyle.

ShadowMoses900

I don't think polygamests should get married either, does that make me a bigot too?

Marriage is a social institution that has been defined as a man and a woman. Period. Being against changing that is not bigoted in the slightest.

I'm all for gay couples having the same rights as married couples, but it's not marriage no matter how you want to spin it.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

When did I say they weren't the same as me? They are still God's childrend, they are human. The live and breath like me, they just practice a different sexual lifestyle than I do, one that I disagree with. That's all.

They can have all the same rigths as married people, I never said they couldn't.

ShadowMoses900

For the love of God not this again.....IT IS NOT THE SAME. Why do you keep bringing racial issues into this? Gays are not the same thing as black people, black people weren't allowed to go to the same schools or work the same jobs or eat at the same restaruants etc.....gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah you want to know how the political system works.....here's a hint....call, write, post your congress men and women and tell them what you think is important. If enough people feel that gay marriage is important enough issue and get involved then their politicians will as well. Or you can sit on the internet complaining about polls. The polls should probably tell you how important the issue is to people. If gay marriage is not coming out at the top of the polls then it's an issue that the US isn't interested in....yet. How involved have you been?layton2012

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]you're just using semantics.

You're using the word "disagree" to justify bigotry.

For example you can "disagree" with the life style of asians and not hire them because you "disagree" right?

ShadowMoses900

No that's just dumb logic. Many of you disagree with religion right? Are you an anti-religious bigot? (Some of you probably are)

If you disagree with say, Islam are you anti-Muslim? No. If you disagree with Mormonism are you anti-Mormon? Would that mean you hate mormons? No.

It's the same way with gay marriage. If you disagree with it or the gay lifestyle that doesn't mean you hate gay people.

again with semantics and misdirection.

Yes dislikng religion is bigoted whether justified or not, same with gays. But it's better to simply admit your veiws rather than justify via extreme cognitive dissonance.

I'm all for gay couples having the same rights as married couples, but it's not marriage no matter how you want to spin it.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

ShadowMoses900

What if you're state offered a ballot option of allowing polygamist marriages? Or incest marriages? Or underage marriages? Or animal marriages? If you voted no against it would that make you a bigot too?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

layton2012

And since they check anyway, regardless of who the donor is....

I can't believe people still think this. If that's what Moses actually believes, he's an even bigger bigot than I thought.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

DroidPhysX

Gay people have a far higher risk of STD's and other blood diseases , including HIV/AIDS. This is a medical and scientific fact (which is ironic that all of you guys claim to be such scientific geniuses but yet seem to know nothing about it). This practice is done in most western countries because allowing it is unsafe.

The CDC, FDA, and all other health experts support this: FDA Still Says Gay Men Can't Donate Blood

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

gays can do all the same things as everyone else except give blood (which is for obvious reasons).

layton2012

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

They offered it on my state ballot and I voted against gay marriage.

JustPlainLucas

But can gay people seriously not donate blood then?MrPraline

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] First of all I'm a marijuana advocate so that takes up the majority of my free time. Secondly, I live in Texas, I could call my republican representation til I was blue in the face and it wouldn't do anything but waste my time.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm all for gay couples having the same rights as married couples, but it's not marriage no matter how you want to spin it.

JustPlainLucas

They can call it whatever they want, as long as it's not marriage.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No that's just dumb logic. Many of you disagree with religion right? Are you an anti-religious bigot? (Some of you probably are)

If you disagree with say, Islam are you anti-Muslim? No. If you disagree with Mormonism are you anti-Mormon? Would that mean you hate mormons? No.

It's the same way with gay marriage. If you disagree with it or the gay lifestyle that doesn't mean you hate gay people.

ShadowMoses900

I'm not denying them anything, I said I want them to have all the same rights. Just marriage it's self is between a man and a woman and that's how it is. Perhaps trying to go against that is bigotry?

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Please explain this nonsense.

worlock77

And since they check anyway, regardless of who the donor is....

But can gay people seriously not donate blood then?MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]But can gay people seriously not donate blood then?Aljosa23

Gay people have a far higher risk of STD's and other blood diseases , including HIV/AIDS. This is a medical and scientific fact (which is ironic that all of you guys claim to be such scientific geniuses but yet seem to know nothing about it). This practice is done in most western countries because allowing it is unsafe.

The CDC, FDA, and all other health experts support this: FDA Still Says Gay Men Can't Donate Blood

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Please explain this nonsense.

ShadowMoses900

Gay people have a far higher risk of STD's and other blood diseases , including HIV/AIDS. This is a medical and scientific fact (which is ironic that all of you guys claim to be such scientific geniuses but yet seem to know nothing about it). This practice is done in most western countries because allowing it is unsafe.

The CDC, FDA, and all other health experts support this: FDA Still Says Gay Men Can't Donate Blood

So if I don't hate Jews but I don't think they should be allowed their own place of worship. Am I a bigot? By ShadowMoses logic I'm not

P.S I don't really believe that.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] It's idiotic, check the blood for diseases, and if its clean, what the harm in donating the blood.LJS9502_basic

And since they check anyway, regardless of who the donor is....

I don't get it. Was that suppose to be a rebuttal of my post?