Not supporting same sex marriage does NOT make someone a bigot.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i don't sse that the christain church denying gay marriage is Bigotry at all, it's a fundemental part oof there religeous beliefs, however, forcing christian churches to go against there religeon and marry gay pople is bigotry of the highest order, Christian beliefs should be protected just as much as gay peoples beliefs, i ahve no problem with Gays getting married but the christian church should not be forced or coerced in any way to perform those marriages.delta3074

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i don't sse that the christain church denying gay marriage is Bigotry at all, it's a fundemental part oof there religeous beliefs, however, forcing christian churches to go against there religeon and marry gay pople is bigotry of the highest order, Christian beliefs should be protected just as much as gay peoples beliefs, i ahve no problem with Gays getting married but the christian church should not be forced or coerced in any way to perform those marriages.delta3074

Also why didn't you respond to my post? Who is forcing churches to perform same sex ceromonies?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Who is saying churches should be forced to perform same sex marriage ceromonies? There are however many religious people such as Op saying gays shouldn't be allowed to marry even if their church supports it.

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Also why didn't you respond to my post? Who is forcing churches to perform same sex ceromonies?

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]so calling christians bigots for standing by there beliefs is acceptable then?delta3074

Also why didn't you respond to my post? Who is forcing churches to perform same sex ceromonies?

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i am sick of this BS as well, i am a christian so i believe that marriage should be between a man and a women, Telling anyone who doesn't should support Gay marriage a Bigot is Religeous disscrimination as far as i am concerned, people who houd christians to support Gay marriage and go against there own personally held beliefs is bigotry of the highest order.delta3074

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It is a function of the state. As such it should be avalible to all members of our society, regardless of their race, creed, political views, gender or sexuality. When you seek to deny people certain rights simply because of what they are then, yes, you are a bigot.

Nobody is advocating that any church or religious body be forced to marry anyone. As it is now churches aren't required to even marry heterosexual couples. There are, however, many religious people, particularly Christians (but evidentally some Jews as well, as the TC shows) who do wish to deny gays the right to marry (meaning secular, state-issued marriage, not the religious holy matrimony ceremonies) because of their beliefs. If you are not one of these folks then fair enough, I have no issue with you.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]so calling christians bigots for standing by there beliefs is acceptable then?delta3074

Also why didn't you respond to my post? Who is forcing churches to perform same sex ceromonies?

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2012-2013/0126/cbill_2012-20130126_en_1.htm

What reason do you have to oppose that bill being passed?

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]so calling christians bigots for standing by there beliefs is acceptable then?delta3074

Also why didn't you respond to my post? Who is forcing churches to perform same sex ceromonies?

Well if the Church of England would seperate itself from the state then it might be a different story.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]If their beliefs are bigoted then yes. I don't see why slapping the word "religion" on an idea makes it any more acceptable. Do you think racism is bad? If I were to say racism is part of my religion would that make you change your mind? of course not. Deny people equal rights is bad.

Also why didn't you respond to my post? Who is forcing churches to perform same sex ceromonies?

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Well if the Church of England would seperate itself from the state then it might be a different story.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]have you seen what it's like over here? gay activity groups are putting a HUGE amount of pressure on the church of england to conduct same sex marriages, it's tearing the church of england apart dude.LJS9502_basic

Well if the Church of England would seperate itself from the state then it might be a different story.

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Well if the Church of England would seperate itself from the state then it might be a different story.

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[QUOTE="spiderluck"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You're complaining about religious discrimination but your forcing your religious views on everyone else. Why does it matter to you if a gay couple get married in a secular ceremony? Or if they get married by their own religion that does support same sex marriage?delta3074

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Eh......one can get married in England without the use of the Church of England so I don't see how that makes a difference. LJS9502_basic

The Queen is the head of the church but neither she or the church have any real power. They only have influence.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]have you seen what it's like over here? gay activity groups are putting a HUGE amount of pressure on the church of england to conduct same sex marriages, it's tearing the church of england apart dude.LJS9502_basic

Well if the Church of England would seperate itself from the state then it might be a different story.

They can, but the fact that the Church of England is the state church does create issues from time to time. That's what's going on now. The Church of England is fighting gay marriage because they fear it would undermine their positition as the state church.

[QUOTE="spiderluck"][QUOTE="delta3074"]do you all misread what i am saying? i don't hate Homosexuals i just think that christians are just as entitled to there opinion as gay people, i have a few gay friends who actually respect my opinion and they are sick of the way the church is being hounded to conduct gay marriage, you cannot trample on one peoples rights just to push another persons rights.LJS9502_basic

Can't say I disagree

[QUOTE="spiderluck"][QUOTE="delta3074"]do you all misread what i am saying? i don't hate Homosexuals i just think that christians are just as entitled to there opinion as gay people, i have a few gay friends who actually respect my opinion and they are sick of the way the church is being hounded to conduct gay marriage, you cannot trample on one peoples rights just to push another persons rights.LJS9502_basic

Religious people who want to ban gay marriage in all forms (either performed in church or court) because of religious beliefs are bigoted. That said, churches should have the right to decide if they want to perform the marriageRing_of_fire

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Religious people who want to ban gay marriage in all forms (either performed in church or court) because of religious beliefs are bigoted. That said, churches should have the right to decide if they want to perform the marriagelayton2012

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Religious people who want to ban gay marriage in all forms (either performed in church or court) because of religious beliefs are bigoted. That said, churches should have the right to decide if they want to perform the marriageRing_of_fire

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] Unfortunately, the social conservatives think they should force everyone to follow their views.Ring_of_fire

Also shadowmoses, you need to get off your high horse. People hate you on here, and it's not because you have unpopular views; it's the way you present them.

Example; I see you on system wars all the time saying things like "the best console the gen was the one you had the most fun with' or "there is no definative winner. Then go on the make nintendo/PC/360 suck threads.

You do the same thing on here. You act like you're above all that bigotry nonsense then say something ignorant or bigotist then act like your views are somehow immune to criticism and that people that disagree with you are immuture or bigotist themselves.

Your argument is basically that it's ignorant to hate 'hate groups' and that's rediculous, I hate the KKK, the nazis, the black panthers, and everybody with a brain knows those groups have no validity, yet you attack us when we say they're terrible. You're the guy that says "I have a latino freind, I'm not racist" then go onto rant about how mexicans are lazy. No, thinking you're better than everybody else does not make you immune to criticism or being ignorant or bigotist.

Also shadowmoses, you need to get off your high horse. People hate you on here, MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]Also shadowmoses, you need to get off your high horse. People hate you on here, LJS9502_basic

A bigot is someone who lets his hate or dislike of a race/color/creed/sexual orientation disassociate himself from members of that type. A bigot is a hateful word, and not every person who opposes gay marriage is a hateful person. Not everyone needs to believe the same way you do, and to call people who don't names makes you more of a bigot (hate-filled person) than someone who just doesn't agree with same sex marriage. The term "bigot" is being thrown around too much, and it needs to stop.JustPlainLucas

"I don't hate gay people, I just don't think they should have the same rights that I have" - how is that not bigoted?

"I don't hate blacks, I just don't want to sit next to them or for them to vote":roll: bigots...

"I don't hate blacks, I just don't want to sit next to them or for them to vote":roll: bigots...

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A bigot is someone who lets his hate or dislike of a race/color/creed/sexual orientation disassociate himself from members of that type. A bigot is a hateful word, and not every person who opposes gay marriage is a hateful person. Not everyone needs to believe the same way you do, and to call people who don't names makes you more of a bigot (hate-filled person) than someone who just doesn't agree with same sex marriage. The term "bigot" is being thrown around too much, and it needs to stop.JustPlainLucas

"I don't hate blacks, I just don't want to sit next to them or for them to vote":roll: bigots...

Yusuke420

For the love of God no one is even suggesting such a thing....seriously you guys are so "out there" with things that it's hard to take you seriosly. You guys act like some kind of fringe community or something.

A bigot is someone who lets his hate or dislike of a race/color/creed/sexual orientation disassociate himself from members of that type. A bigot is a hateful word, and not every person who opposes gay marriage is a hateful person. Not everyone needs to believe the same way you do, and to call people who don't names makes you more of a bigot (hate-filled person) than someone who just doesn't agree with same sex marriage. The term "bigot" is being thrown around too much, and it needs to stop.JustPlainLucas

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"I don't hate blacks, I just don't want to sit next to them or for them to vote":roll: bigots...

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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]A bigot is someone who lets his hate or dislike of a race/color/creed/sexual orientation disassociate himself from members of that type. A bigot is a hateful word, and not every person who opposes gay marriage is a hateful person. Not everyone needs to believe the same way you do, and to call people who don't names makes you more of a bigot (hate-filled person) than someone who just doesn't agree with same sex marriage. The term "bigot" is being thrown around too much, and it needs to stop.layton2012

A bigot is someone who lets his hate or dislike of a race/color/creed/sexual orientation disassociate himself from members of that type. A bigot is a hateful word, and not every person who opposes gay marriage is a hateful person. Not everyone needs to believe the same way you do, and to call people who don't names makes you more of a bigot (hate-filled person) than someone who just doesn't agree with same sex marriage. The term "bigot" is being thrown around too much, and it needs to stop.JustPlainLucas