Noted Arizona Sheriff raids Sizzler Restaurants for hiring illegals

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]... People desperate enough will always come ot the United States.. But they wouldn't do so in such great numbers if businesses weren't willing to hire them illegally.. The businesses should be the ones not punished, not the illegals whoa re often times risking their lives and are desperate.. This isn't to suggest that they should or should not be deported, but we wouldn't have this "supposed" problem if it weren't for businesses willing to brekat he law.. That being said I think entirelly too much is focused on this imo, there are far bigger fishes to fry that cost the nationf ar more money then illegals imo.LJS9502_basic

As do I.

And as I've explained at least twice to you....the parents are NOT deported because the baby is legal. That is the concept I was referring to before dude...LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I think the facts are questionable to say the least. Like we've discussed, it just doesn't seem likely at all that that number of supposedly illegal immigrants are on welfare. There is no way to gain welfare as an illegal immigrant besides very well executed identity theft. That would be a fairly huge number of people who are incredibly effective at forgery. Ninja-Hippo

New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $37 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in November 2007 – up $3 million dollars from September, announced Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

Twenty five percent of the all welfare and food stamps benefits is going directly to the children of illegal aliens. Illegals collected over $20 million in welfare assistance for November 2007 and over $16 million in monthly food stamp allocations for a projected annual cost of $444 million.

"This new information shows an alarming increase in the devastating impact Illegal immigration continues to have on Los Angeles County taxpayers," said Antonovich. "With $220 million for public safety $400 million for healthcare, and $444 million in welfare allocations, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year – not including the millions of dollars for education."

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I think the facts are questionable to say the least. Like we've discussed, it just doesn't seem likely at all that that number of supposedly illegal immigrants are on welfare. There is no way to gain welfare as an illegal immigrant besides very well executed identity theft. That would be a fairly huge number of people who are incredibly effective at forgery. Ninja-Hippo

Because babies are automatically given Social Security numbers.:?

LJS isn't pulling this out of a hat, it's happening.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And as I've explained at least twice to you....the parents are NOT deported because the baby is legal. That is the concept I was referring to before dude...Ninja-Hippo

LJS isn't pulling this out of a hat, it's happening.

topsemag55

Did you notice the stat mentioned illegal?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Did you notice the stat mentioned illegal?Ninja-Hippo

New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County

LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship. Link

LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship.

topsemag55

LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship. Link

Ok, I'm seriously going offline now, but the study specifically referred to tax payments vs. government services.

"A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion."

Link to CIS page

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Did you notice the stat mentioned illegal?LJS9502_basic

New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County

LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship. Link

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LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship. Link

mattbbpl

Individual states maintain birth records, not the federal government. Your own birth certificate is in the courthouse in the state you were born in, that's why you have to apply at the state level to get a certified copy with a state seal.

Thus, a state should be able to invalidate births within their own jurisdiction.

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LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship. Link

topsemag55

Individual states maintain birth records, not the federal government. Your own birth certificate is in the courthouse in the state you were born in, that's why you have to apply at the state level to get a certified copy with a state seal.

Thus, a state should be able to invalidate births within their own jurisdiction.

Ok, I'm seriously going offline now, but the study specifically referred to tax payments vs. government services.

"A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion."

coolbeans90

Not really that amazing. Back when i worked for Tyson Foods they had ONE processing plant that got busted with over 200 illegals working there....at that one spot...and they have hundreds of locations nationwide.

The breeder farm my father ran? Close to 15 employees. How many of them were legal? Zero.

Not really that amazing. Back when i worked for Tyson Foods they had ONE processing plant that got busted with over 200 illegals working there....at that one spot...and they have hundreds of locations nationwide.

The breeder farm my father ran? Close to 15 employees. How many of them were legal? Zero.

Alter_Echo

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LJS, looks like Arizona might add an anchor baby amendment to their new law, to invalidate the citizenship. Link

Individual states maintain birth records, not the federal government. Your own birth certificate is in the courthouse in the state you were born in, that's why you have to apply at the state level to get a certified copy with a state seal.

Thus, a state should be able to invalidate births within their own jurisdiction.

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Not really that amazing. Back when i worked for Tyson Foods they had ONE processing plant that got busted with over 200 illegals working there....at that one spot...and they have hundreds of locations nationwide.

The breeder farm my father ran? Close to 15 employees. How many of them were legal? Zero.

Ninja-Hippo

Oh man, its no wonder that almost all the other countries in America hate the U.S. I don't like to get into problems but I think the only country that is completely ally to the United States is Canada, the others just hate it, especially Mexico and possibly Colombia. Miroku32

So, to play devil's advocate here, a state could choose to invalidate the births of an ethnic group (for example) and thereby deny them federal citizenship? I would think that the issuance and mainenance of birth records at the state level would pertain to just that - the procedures involved with issuing and maintaining them. I wouldn't think they would be able to deny birth certificates on the grounds that they don't like the circumstances under which the individuals were born.mattbbpl

No, the intent of the 14th amendment was for recently-freed African-Americans. Laws were passed later to include Native Americans, Eskimos, etc.

[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Oh man, its no wonder that almost all the other countries in America hate the U.S. I don't like to get into problems but I think the only country that is completely ally to the United States is Canada, the others just hate it, especially Mexico and possibly Colombia. mattbbpl

I am glad they busted them. They were here illegally. Therefore, because they were here illegally, they should be removed. Illegal aliens take jobs that legal citizens could have, and in a very tough job market, every job opportunity is a precious commodity. Illegal is illegal. Thats all there is too it. Break the law, suffer the consequences. xhellcatx

You go, hellcat.:P

No, the intent of the 14th amendment was for recently-freed African-Americans. Laws were passed later to include Native Americans, Eskimos, etc.

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]I am glad they busted them. They were here illegally. Therefore, because they were here illegally, they should be removed. Illegal aliens take jobs that legal citizens could have, and in a very tough job market, every job opportunity is a precious commodity. Illegal is illegal. Thats all there is too it. Break the law, suffer the consequences. topsemag55

You go, hellcat.:P

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No, the intent of the 14th amendment was for recently-freed African-Americans. Laws were passed later to include Native Americans, Eskimos, etc.

mattbbpl

I would have a bit more compassion ( ie any at all ) for illegals if it werent so hilariously easy to get legal citizenship here.

They dont want that though. They just want to come work here, under the table, tax free and then send their money back to mexico without putting any of it back into the economy.

Its just too easy for them to get construction or landscaping jobs on a daily basis that pay cash. And then every friday when i go to the gas station i see 20 of them at the western union kiosk sending it all back to mexico via money orders.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

No, the intent of the 14th amendment was for recently-freed African-Americans. Laws were passed later to include Native Americans, Eskimos, etc.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

No, the intent of the 14th amendment was for recently-freed African-Americans. Laws were passed later to include Native Americans, Eskimos, etc.

LJS9502_basic

I would have a bit more compassion ( ie any at all ) for illegals if it werent so hilariously easy to get legal citizenship here.

They dont want that though. They just want to come work here, under the table, tax free and then send their money back to mexico without putting any of it back into the economy.

Its just too easy for them to get construction or landscaping jobs on a daily basis that pay cash. And then every friday when i go to the gas station i see 20 of them at the western union kiosk sending it all back to mexico via money orders.

Alter_Echo

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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]I am glad they busted them. They were here illegally. Therefore, because they were here illegally, they should be removed. Illegal aliens take jobs that legal citizens could have, and in a very tough job market, every job opportunity is a precious commodity. Illegal is illegal. Thats all there is too it. Break the law, suffer the consequences. xhellcatx

You go, hellcat.:P

*horse enjoys his cookie* Nope, horses like hellcats.:oops:

I'm confused... Why would it be a good idea to allow states to deny/suppply federal citizenship based on their own criteria?mattbbpl

Good. I hope they do this daily. After all the uproar, the boycotting, and the rhetoric, the federal government STILL hasn't done anything; they are utterly incompetent.

Arizona has my absolute, full support.

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You go, hellcat.:P

topsemag55

*horse enjoys his cookie* Nope, horses like hellcats.:oops:

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Joe Arpaio is an Italian-American, so this defeats any bias arguments.:P

weezyfb

italian americans can still be bias

Do you mean 'biased'? Bias is not an adjective.

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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] :oops: hehe thanks. Your ava freaks me out btw. ^_^ *gives the half horse a cookie* >_> *whispers* please dont eat me!xhellcatx

*horse enjoys his cookie* Nope, horses like hellcats.:oops:

You got me good with that post.:lol: My horse would protect you from your mortal enemy, all those barking dogs. He'll stomp them for you.:P

Besides, you were the very first after me to give him anything, so he likes you.:)

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*horse enjoys his cookie* Nope, horses like hellcats.:oops:

topsemag55

You got me good with that post.:lol: My horse would protect you from your mortal enemy, all those barking dogs. He'll stomp them for you.:P

Oh..and ten yard penalty for over use of emoticons you two.....

He's only got two legs....he'll fall over...:o

Oh..and ten yard penalty for over use of emoticons you two.....

LJS9502_basic

:lol:

That's why he doesn't stop running, to maintain his balance. He's a running kicker (or stomper).:P

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="topsemag55"] *doesnt know if she should :oops: or be :shock: and run away... so freezes and :shock: :oops: 's* ... topsemag55

You got me good with that post.:lol: My horse would protect you from your mortal enemy, all those barking dogs. He'll stomp them for you.:P

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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] *doesnt know if she should :oops: or be :shock: and run away... so freezes and :shock: :oops: 's* ... LJS9502_basic

You got me good with that post.:lol: My horse would protect you from your mortal enemy, all those barking dogs. He'll stomp them for you.:P

Oh..and ten yard penalty for over use of emoticons you two.....

:cry: :( *offers vodka*... canni has points back plz? *gives.. .. more vodka. and sexy cookie?* Its in the shape of a corset......xhellcatx

*Jealous*:cry: wants sexy cookie too.:x

:cry: :( *offers vodka*... canni has points back plz? *gives.. .. more vodka. and sexy cookie?* Its in the shape of a corset......xhellcatx

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I'm confused... Why would it be a good idea to allow states to deny/suppply federal citizenship based on their own criteria?LJS9502_basic

10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."