Obama: Fox News is 'destructive' to America

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[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

You're kidding me, right?

Former_Slacker

Obamabot

Oh I just have to respond to this. The notion that he would suspend freedom of speech is ridiculous, just as much as bush would. It is also equally ridiculous to call him a communist. I don't support his continuation of the war in Afghanistan. His reluctance to stop the dems in congress from pushing against net neutrality. His reluctance to support a public option. His push for greater secrecy and for greater powers for the executive branch. Or his continuing of many of bush's foreign and some domestic policies in regard to those foreign policies among other things. To label someone as a blind supporter simply because they point out a ridiculous statement is in itself ridiculous.

i dont like bush either i didnt support the war. i didnt support how he bailed out AIG and all that crap he has done. at the end tax payer will suffer both presidents wraths

Obama is destructive to America, not Fox news.

p2250

I never know what to feel when I read through things like this. It's like watching a really serious comedian who just isn't funny. Sometimes I'll laugh because it's just so pathetic, then the camera will switch to a view of a couple people laughing their heads off at every joke and I think they're crazy, and all the while I just feel bad for the majority of the audience who are already seated and have to sit through it all. Luckily for me, I'm not american so I'm observing it all on a tv that I can turn off whenever I please. Then afterwards I look the guy up online and find out he actually has a wide range of followers and I'm left confused. Strange analogy, I know =P

But on topic, that was a bad move by the president. He definately should've worded it differently.

"Mr. President, what are your thoughts on Fox News...?"

President: *coughs* "I have no comment on the matter. I do have a message that I would like to share with struggling Americans... (political happy chat)"
coolbeans90

President: *coughs* "I have no comment on the matter."
coolbeans90

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Obama is destructive to America, not Fox news.

SpArKs424

fox news is a cancer of american media that must be removed .

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Funny, getting landmark legislation and reversing our shrinking economy seem to be what he's best at doing. :D

testfactor888

First of all, Senators and Representatives have throngs of staffers that can these dissect legislation to the very last dot on the 'i'. If you're tell me that the Republican Caucus can't DO THEIR JOBS and READ THE LEGISLATION then you need to vote new guys in. The Democrats not onlylegislated theirownideas, they included Republican ideas. Bills weren't forced 48 hours before the final vote, where's your proof for your hyperbole?

And for the record,I don't agree with the President on everything, just most things.What's wrong withagreeing with somebody who agrees with most of my positions?He could be more agressive on DADT Repeal and could fully withdraw from Iraq. There are other minor things, however, he's dealing with near GridlockedCongress so Progresssives can't get everything we're working towards.

If you're ideologicallyLiberatarian and voted for Obama you were either are a political neophyte or just don't understand politics. If you've been Liberatarian ideologically (regardless of your party affiliation) it doesn't make sense for you to vote for Obama. McCain would've better lined up with your views. Did you pay attention to what was advocated? What made you vote for Obama if you don't agree with his policy ideas? It seems like you arejust doing whatever seems popular, like hating on the President instead of his policies...

Do you know which specific parts of policies you don't like? Like not overall legislation, but individual parts which make up legislation?

You criticize me for supporting a good leader who got a hold of a failing economy and is pushing it back up, for supporting agood leader who realizes that there needs to be specific goals and timelines associated with military action, and a leader who is making good on his promises? I don't know what kind of leader you want, maybe one like McCain that leans like grass in the politicalwind or like Palin that leans whichever way the cash flows heaviest, but I wantleaders like Obama and Biden who represent most of what I find admirable.

something the president and i agree on

Just giving Fox more fuel for the fire, nice Obama. Very Nice. Now, does ABC kiss your feet, and MSNBC wipe your ass? Or Vice versa? :P

It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

Ultimas_Blade

It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

Ultimas_Blade

The thing is that obama never actually said those words, CNN spun it to try to increase ratings. :lol:

Question: What do you think of Fox News? Do you think it's a good institution for America and for democracy?

Answer:

"Look, as president, I swore to uphold the Constitution, and part of that Constitution is a free press. We've got a tradition in this country of a press that oftentimes is opinionated. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It's a point of view that I disagree with. It's a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it's been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it's that Fox is very successful."

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It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

testfactor888

The question he was asked was specifically referring to fox. His answer was generalized to include all types of modern day "yellow journalism."

ITT: Liberals say yes while conservatives say no.

Obviously, I say yes. :P

GabuEx

Pretty much this. :P

Vazsco

I agree that the right propaganda machine would grill Obama regardless of anything he did or didn't do. But personally, I think the propaganda has better ammunition based upon his actual remarks. I think had Obama not pulled those punches, and the media went after him over comments he didn't make, that some people, if not many would see through the propaganda. I personally would respect Obama slightly more were he not to vilify less than exemplary intuitions in the media. That being said, I think that I should point out that I don't have major beefs with him personally, just his political alignment.

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It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

testfactor888

I realize that it was easier to respond to the post not directed solely at you, but why not take a chance and respond intelligently on my previous post. Specifically, respond to the several questions I asked.

And MSNBC isn't constantly plagued by blatant lies andsubtleracism like FNC. MSNBC is NOT analogous to FNC becauseFox is caught time and time again promotingFear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.I challenge you to find a source of information that has expansivelists onany incredulous activity by MSNBC or their anchors.Also because MSNBC's owners aren't donating $1,000,000 to the the Republican Governor's Association, Fox's owners did.

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It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

Former_Slacker

The thing is that obama never actually said those words, CNN spun it to try to increase ratings. :lol:

Question: What do you think of Fox News? Do you think it's a good institution for America and for democracy?

Answer:

"Look, as president, I swore to uphold the Constitution, and part of that Constitution is a free press. We've got a tradition in this country of a press that oftentimes is opinionated. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It's a point of view that I disagree with. It's a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it's been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it's that Fox is very successful."

I read his responses earlier and I disagree with you, he was responding to a question about FNC directly. The part about their view being 'ultimately destructive for long term growth' he was talking about Fox alone. That isn't spin. He disagrees with Fox's view and believes that they are destructive to the country's growth. What's so spun about that?

Good for him for having the balls to say it.

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It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

testfactor888

He wasn't asked about MSNBC, and as far as I know MSNBC doesn't claim to be "fair and balanced". If Fox News would just come out and say "yes, we cater to a conservative audience", then frankly I imagine that many of its detractors wouldn't care so much.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

testfactor888

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[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

It so funny seeing all of the opposition just spin, spin, spin. What's wrong with calling out an organization that's clearly made the point clear that they are extremely biased and lie constantly?

GabuEx

He wasn't asked about MSNBC, and as far as I know MSNBC doesn't claim to be "fair and balanced". If Fox News would just come out and say "yes, we cater to a conservative audience", then frankly I imagine that many of its detractors wouldn't care so much.

Now all we have to do is wait for Bill Oh Reilly to call him a communist for stating his opinion and Glenn beck to take out his writing board and spell a bunch of words wrong going way off topic to prove some undeniable point.

Don't forget Sarah palin coming on to give some lecture on how the president shouldn't be allowed to have a opinion on the world and how he should be focusing on the horrible job he is supposedly doing and how republicans are not at fault for anything.

Then-White House Communications Director Anita Dunn said the cable outlet "operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party," and top aide Valerie Jarret called Fox "clearly biased."

That's a quote from the article.

Right, like MSNBC doesn't operate as the arm of the research or communications arm of the Democratic Party.

IMO, President Obama just can't take the heat-- he never has seemed to like people disagreeing with him. If I recall, earlier in his Presidency, wasn't there some sort of witch hunt put out by the White House against people sending E-mails criticizing the Obama administration? As the saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

If I'm correct, President Obama still will not grant an interview with Fox News-- is this perhaps because he knows Fox News will ask him the hard questions?

The media is legitimate in questioning and criticizing Obama. After all, where's the change? Billions of dollars of debt, proposed tax increases for the wealthy, no end in sight to this economic crisis...seems President Obama isn't quite the messiah everyone thought he would be.

Obama is the ultimate Manchurian candidate. The media are in love with him, except FOX news.

Thank God for FOX. Keeping people's blind love and support for the Messiah in check.

Obama is the ultimate Manchurian candidate. The media are in love with him, except FOX news.

Thank God for FOX. Keeping people's blind love and support for the Messiah in check.

p2250

:| I don't understand this obviously.. He has been criticized on every news organization I have seen.. And if the other news stations are doing that with their "liberal" bias.. Then Fox certainly would do that for any republican candidate right?

Obama is the ultimate Manchurian candidate. The media are in love with him, except FOX news.

Thank God for FOX. Keeping people's blind love and support for the Messiah in check.

Obama is the ultimate Manchurian candidate. The media are in love with him, except FOX news.

Thank God for FOX. Keeping people's blind love and support for the Messiah in check.

Because he's a fraud, and are not afraid to admit it.p2250

I guess hyperbole works both ways then. I don't believe Fox News is beneficial to America, I don't believe it's destructive though.

From what I've seen, Fox News is ideal for viewers who like their facts not only pre-chewed but pre-digested. If other mainstream media is a mouthpiece, then Fox is a rearpiece. For all the hot air blowing into the mic, what wafts into people's homes lacks even the faintest whiff of what originally went down.

I don't know if that's internally destructive - I mean it's great that you have such a free press (even if Fox is an internationally owned corporation), but to the rest of the world, the station's a joke. The way people defend Fox News isn't doing much for the reputation of the average American.

I guess hyperbole works both ways then. I don't believe Fox News is beneficial to America, I don't believe it's destructive though.

T_P_O

Well is there a media source out there that isn't politically biased?

Obama is destructive to America, not Fox news.

p2250

He is right. However, corrupt, bureaucratic gov'ts are also destructive to America and he has not done much to stop that either.

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Obama is the ultimate Manchurian candidate. The media are in love with him, except FOX news.

Thank God for FOX. Keeping people's blind love and support for the Messiah in check.

sSubZerOo

:| I don't understand this obviously.. He has been criticized on every news organization I have seen.. And if the other news stations are doing that with their "liberal" bias.. Then Fox certainly would do that for any republican candidate right?

That person said that he likes Beck because he is unbiased. I then got him to say that he considers O'Reilly liberal by comparison, but that he also liked O'Reilly because his views were in line with the right most of the time (or something to that effect). Well, that was more than I had hoped for. That was so golden. After I pointed out this humorous self-contradcition, surprise, surprise, no more replies. It's too bad. I really wanted to see what rationalization for that one could come up with. It's always hard to argue with what you just said yourself though. :P

From what I've seen, Fox News is ideal for viewers who like their facts not only pre-chewed but pre-digested. If other mainstream media is a mouthpiece, then Fox is a rearpiece. For all the hot air blowing into the mic, what wafts into people's homes lacks even the faintest whiff of what originally went down.

I don't know if that's internally destructive - I mean it's great that you have such a free press (even if Fox is an internationally owned corporation), but to the rest of the world, the station's a joke. The way people defend Fox News isn't doing much for the reputation of the average American.

jimmyjammer69

p2250 was dropped on his head as a baby, destroying his ability to view reality as it is, hence his moronic viewpoints.

feel_freetwo

Do you have proof?

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p2250 was dropped on his head as a baby, destroying his ability to view reality as it is, hence his moronic viewpoints.

Necrifer

Do you have proof?

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p2250 was dropped on his head as a baby, destroying his ability to view reality as it is, hence his moronic viewpoints.

feel_freetwo

Do you have proof?

I know a guy, who knows a guy, who's sister's friend saw photos of the event. If that's not proof i don't know what is.

I need to see these pictures.

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

Do you have proof?

Necrifer

I know a guy, who knows a guy, who's sister's friend saw photos of the event. If that's not proof i don't know what is.

I need to see these pictures.

of course he is right: pessimistic talking heads that do their best to put fear in the hearts of Americans when there is nothing to fear at all, are indeed destructive to America.

I only wish he included MSNBC in there, but I suppose that would be biting the hand that feeds you lol.

of course he is right: pessimistic talking heads that do their best to put fear in the hearts of Americans when there is nothing to fear at all, are indeed destructive to America.

I only wish he included MSNBC in there, but I suppose that would be biting the hand that feeds you lol.

mrbojangles25

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of course he is right: pessimistic talking heads that do their best to put fear in the hearts of Americans when there is nothing to fear at all, are indeed destructive to America.

I only wish he included MSNBC in there, but I suppose that would be biting the hand that feeds you lol.

blacktorn

the thing that really cracks me up, though, is that 20 years ago mainstream entertainment (not the media specifically, but movies, late-night action TV shows, etc) would go right in line with this.

now the terrorists in movies are white ex-Soviet Bloc mercenaries, rich corporate leaders, and leaders of various countries.

Only the media, i.e. news outlets, seem intent on perpetuating this non-existant fear. They might as well run shows on how dangerous it is to be struck by lightning than to run shows on how likely you are to die in a 9/11-type attack.

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of course he is right: pessimistic talking heads that do their best to put fear in the hearts of Americans when there is nothing to fear at all, are indeed destructive to America.

I only wish he included MSNBC in there, but I suppose that would be biting the hand that feeds you lol.

blacktorn