Obama is no better than Bush

Obama seeks $83 billion for Iraq and Afghan War

Wasnt he against the war not too long ago when he was senator running for president? What a fake...

Obama is no differnet than any other politician...only Obama seems like hes more fake than any other president we've had. More interested in being a celebrity than being president.

I just dont get how people let this slide like its no big deal...if it was Bush people would be all over him...no matter what he did hed get bashed, and no matter what Obama does hes praised. People are such hypocrites.

Obama wont change anything...politics are politics...they are all out for the same thing. The world is just a ****ed up place...one person cant change that,,,

Idk why people believe this guy...

Thanks for the news flash.

true people look at him like hes going to save them somehow in a year or so theyll realize that politicians are all the same

Never thought he was. Politicians are all alike......

If you look at his history, hes no different than any other politician.

Obama campaigned on a platform of phased pullout from Iraq over 16 months. The last money that Bush requested for combat operations ran out. Why is it a surprise that he is asking for more money for these wars to support the troops during the time between point A (today) and point B (his proposed date of full withdrawl)?nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Obama campaigned on a platform of phased pullout from Iraq over 16 months. The last money that Bush requested for combat operations ran out. Why is it a surprise that he is asking for more money for these wars to support the troops during the time between point A (today) and point B (his proposed date of full withdrawl)?mattykovax

Yup, I'm as anti-war as it gets, but we can't pull the rug out from under our troops.

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Obama campaigned on a platform of phased pullout from Iraq over 16 months. The last money that Bush requested for combat operations ran out. Why is it a surprise that he is asking for more money for these wars to support the troops during the time between point A (today) and point B (his proposed date of full withdrawl)?rragnaar

Yup, I'm as anti-war as it gets, but we can't pull the rug out from under our troops.

So you expect him to not provide any money in order to get that part of the world to the point at where Americans would like it to be so that it doesn't support terrorism and won't spawn a mass amount of terrorists but instead cut all funding and expect the soldiers to do their duty, work for free, and find their own way home? Brilliant.

Obama is going to take the troops out of Irag during the next 19 months so they can be inserted to fight the terrorists in Afghanistan instead. There really is no difference. Fighting terrorist in the middle east is still fighting terrorists in the middle east.

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Thanks jim. Thats what I wanted to say. even the staunchest anti-war advocate realizes you cannot pull all the soldiers or infrastructure out in a day.mattykovax

Yup, I'm as anti-war as it gets, but we can't pull the rug out from under our troops.

Obama is going to take the troops out of Irag during the next 19 months so they can be inserted to fight the terrorists in Afghanistan instead. There really is no difference. Fighting terrorist in the middle east is still fighting terrorists in the middle east.

DaBrainz

I personally have always felt that way. one of the key points for me with Obama_Mcain is that mcain wanted to still win. I would also point out TC does not seem to realize,while running,one of obamas statements for ending iraq was to continue the war in afghanistan with the full attention it deserved. Which I also agreed with because I am not against that war,only the one in Iraq.mattykovax

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Obama is going to take the troops out of Irag during the next 19 months so they can be inserted to fight the terrorists in Afghanistan instead. There really is no difference. Fighting terrorist in the middle east is still fighting terrorists in the middle east.

mattykovax

The point isn't that he deceived anyone, its that he isn't any different than the previous regime. And if you criticize one you must criticize the other.

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I personally have always felt that way. one of the key points for me with Obama_Mcain is that mcain wanted to still win. I would also point out TC does not seem to realize,while running,one of obamas statements for ending iraq was to continue the war in afghanistan with the full attention it deserved. Which I also agreed with because I am not against that war,only the one in Iraq.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I personally have always felt that way. one of the key points for me with Obama_Mcain is that mcain wanted to still win. I would also point out TC does not seem to realize,while running,one of obamas statements for ending iraq was to continue the war in afghanistan with the full attention it deserved. Which I also agreed with because I am not against that war,only the one in Iraq.LJS9502_basic

I really couldn't understand why the liberals went after Bush so much when infact his policies were so...liberal. I guess they just like to cheer for their side no matter what the issues are.

Obama is going to take the troops out of Irag during the next 19 months so they can be inserted to fight the terrorists in Afghanistan instead. There really is no difference. Fighting terrorist in the middle east is still fighting terrorists in the middle east.

DaBrainz

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I personally have always felt that way. one of the key points for me with Obama_Mcain is that mcain wanted to still win. I would also point out TC does not seem to realize,while running,one of obamas statements for ending iraq was to continue the war in afghanistan with the full attention it deserved. Which I also agreed with because I am not against that war,only the one in Iraq.DaBrainz

I really couldn't understand why the liberals went after Bush so much when infact his policies were so...liberal. I guess they just like to cheer for their side no matter what the issues are.

we was never suppose to be in Iraq. during Obamas campaign i remember him saying numerous times the action is in Afghanistan...

People's expectations for Obama are way too high.Bourbons3

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"]Thanks jim. Thats what I wanted to say. even the staunchest anti-war advocate realizes you cannot pull all the soldiers or infrastructure out in a day.LJS9502_basic

Yup, I'm as anti-war as it gets, but we can't pull the rug out from under our troops.

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]People's expectations for Obama are way too high.Pirate700

Ummm...

Except for those of us who didn't expect him to work miracles and are happy with his performance thus far...

I used to support Obama a fair amount, but it's slipping these days >_> Oh well, he gave $7 billion in aid, that doesn't really outset this, but it's still great news :)Famiking

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]People's expectations for Obama are way too high.chessmaster1989

Ummm...

Except for those of us who didn't expect him to work miracles and are happy with his performance thus far...

[QUOTE="Famiking"]I used to support Obama a fair amount, but it's slipping these days >_> Oh well, he gave $7 billion in aid, that doesn't really outset this, but it's still great news :)Pirate700

TALK ABOUT GOV. spending

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]People's expectations were what Obama set them at. The sad thing is people actually believed he as going to follow through. Obama was like the kid running for class president promising no more homework and ice-cream sandwiches for lunch and when he get's elected he doesn't do anything of the sort.

Pirate700

Ummm...

Except for those of us who didn't expect him to work miracles and are happy with his performance thus far...

Oh wait...

...every politician does that :P.

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]People's expectations for Obama are way too high.Pirate700

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]

Yup, I'm as anti-war as it gets, but we can't pull the rug out from under our troops.

nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Ummm...

Except for those of us who didn't expect him to work miracles and are happy with his performance thus far...

chessmaster1989

Oh wait...

...every politician does that :P.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]That's great but it doesn't change the fact that he promissed the world and a lot of people voted for him based on that.

Pirate700

Oh wait...

...every politician does that :P.

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]That's great but it doesn't change the fact that he promissed the world and a lot of people voted for him based on that.

Pirate700

Oh wait...

...every politician does that :P.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Oh wait...

...every politician does that :P.

chessmaster1989

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]For the most part McCain's campaign was pretty well grounded which during bad times people didn't seem want to hear.

Pirate700

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

Well, I'm not going to get into a debate on that, although I don't agree.

What were you getting at, then?

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

chessmaster1989

Well, I'm not going to get into a debate on that, although I don't agree.

What were you getting at, then?

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]For the most part McCain's campaign was pretty well grounded which during bad times people didn't seem want to hear.

Pirate700

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

chessmaster1989

Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

If by "well grounded" you mean "let's call Obama a socialist and complain about earmarks," then you're completely right :lol:.

chessmaster1989

Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Obama is pretty damn close to one but that's not what I was getting at. McCain offered change through a lot of hard work. Obama offered change by the government giving handouts and throwing money around. The latter sounds a lot better to lazy people during tough times.

Pirate700

Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

*sigh*

Government bailouts of failing companies =/= Keynesian economics.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

chessmaster1989

*sigh*

Government bailouts of failing companies =/= Keynesian economics.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Our economy is supported but us, the citizens, spending money. Not by the government dumping money into companies that were already going under before all this started. The money needs to be in the hands of the consumer. Not failing companies.

Pirate700

*sigh*

Government bailouts of failing companies =/= Keynesian economics.

So, why did you feel the need to post about bailouts when I was talking about Keynesian economics? :|

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

*sigh*

Government bailouts of failing companies =/= Keynesian economics.

chessmaster1989

So, why did you feel the need to post about bailouts when I was talking about Keynesian economics? :|

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I believe you already mentioned that.

Pirate700

So, why did you feel the need to post about bailouts when I was talking about Keynesian economics? :|

Ah :P.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to Keynesian economics, which was confusing me :P.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]However, that was a criticism levelled at Bush. Why is it now okay to say we can't do that? I find that contradictory. Not saying it about anyone specifically but I noticed the change in thinking with the change of presidents.

LJS9502_basic