Obama is no better than Bush

I don't think I've seen him change his current estimate. Granted, he always left himself a bit of an out by saying that "conditions on the ground" could change his schedule that he'd listen to the commanders on the ground etc., but I am not aware that he has formally announced any sort of delay in the troop pullout. At worst, he's three months into his 16 month timeframe. I'm not sure how asking for more money for these activities when he's on the record for a timeline to get out is the same thing as Bush refusing to set a timeframe at all. If and when Obama changes his estimate, I'll be sure to reconsider my view on whether he's no better than Bush in this area. But that's a pretty premature assumption to make don't you think?nocoolnamejim

I agree everyone is treating Obama like a god but he is no better then Bush.

If fact he is a lot worse. He has done nothing better than bush, and has continued a lot of the bad thing that bush did.

A few months in it's very obvious he's no better than Bush? A bit early I think.btaylor2404

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Obama is pretty damn close to one but that's not what I was getting at. McCain offered change through a lot of hard work. Obama offered change by the government giving handouts and throwing money around. The latter sounds a lot better to lazy people during tough times.

Pirate700

Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

and who nomarlly gives the comsumer their money to spend on things, trees? No, its the companies that were going under that supply the jobs in which the consumers wouldn't have any money to spend at all.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I don't think I've seen him change his current estimate. Granted, he always left himself a bit of an out by saying that "conditions on the ground" could change his schedule that he'd listen to the commanders on the ground etc., but I am not aware that he has formally announced any sort of delay in the troop pullout. At worst, he's three months into his 16 month timeframe. I'm not sure how asking for more money for these activities when he's on the record for a timeline to get out is the same thing as Bush refusing to set a timeframe at all. If and when Obama changes his estimate, I'll be sure to reconsider my view on whether he's no better than Bush in this area. But that's a pretty premature assumption to make don't you think?LJS9502_basic

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Oh, you mean he decided to employ Keynesian style economic policies? Good for him. That's part of why I voted for him ;).

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and who nomarlly gives the comsumer their money to spend on things, trees? No, its the companies that were going under that supply the jobs in which the consumers wouldn't have any money to spend at all.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]A few months in it's very obvious he's no better than Bush? A bit early I think.SwampKitten

first of all has any president done so in 3 months?

Second I find investigating Guantanamo bay quite why he got elected among other things.

I'd like to see a count of how many other presidents have been deemed failures after 3 months in office. Oh wait, that would be 0. Even bush had years before any hate mongering came along.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Our economy is supported but us, the citizens, spending money. Not by the government dumping money into companies that were already going under before all this started. The money needs to be in the hands of the consumer. Not failing companies.

Pirate700

and who nomarlly gives the comsumer their money to spend on things, trees? No, its the companies that were going under that supply the jobs in which the consumers wouldn't have any money to spend at all.

I agree that there should be alot of regulations on how this money is spent, so that history doesn't repeat itself.

[QUOTE="SwampKitten"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]A few months in it's very obvious he's no better than Bush? A bit early I think.links136

first of all has any president done so in 3 months?

Second I find investigating Guantanamo bay quite why he got elected among other things.

I'd like to see a count of how many other presidents have been deemed failures after 3 months in office. Oh wait, that would be 0. Even bush had years before any hate mongering came along.

[QUOTE="SwampKitten"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]A few months in it's very obvious he's no better than Bush? A bit early I think.links136

first of all has any president done so in 3 months?

Second I find investigating Guantanamo bay quite why he got elected among other things.

I'd like to see a count of how many other presidents have been deemed failures after 3 months in office. Oh wait, that would be 0. Even bush had years before any hate mongering came along.

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[QUOTE="SwampKitten"] True but he hasn't done anything in the 3 months or so that's made you say "THIS is why he got elected"..he's done basically nothing that's shows he's going in the right direction for a number of issues. I'd say he's going in reverse after this latest problem of him basically acting like he's in charge of GM :rolleyes:SwampKitten

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I don't think I've seen him change his current estimate. Granted, he always left himself a bit of an out by saying that "conditions on the ground" could change his schedule that he'd listen to the commanders on the ground etc., but I am not aware that he has formally announced any sort of delay in the troop pullout. At worst, he's three months into his 16 month timeframe. I'm not sure how asking for more money for these activities when he's on the record for a timeline to get out is the same thing as Bush refusing to set a timeframe at all. If and when Obama changes his estimate, I'll be sure to reconsider my view on whether he's no better than Bush in this area. But that's a pretty premature assumption to make don't you think?nocoolnamejim

from what i've noticed, a third of the people who voted for obama expected him to have pulled out 2 months ago, cure world hunger by turning water into wine, destroy the death star and then having him die at the cross for your sins while screaming "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"

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[QUOTE="SwampKitten"] True but he hasn't done anything in the 3 months or so that's made you say "THIS is why he got elected"..he's done basically nothing that's shows he's going in the right direction for a number of issues. I'd say he's going in reverse after this latest problem of him basically acting like he's in charge of GM :rolleyes:SwampKitten

first of all has any president done so in 3 months?

Second I find investigating Guantanamo bay quite why he got elected among other things.

I'd like to see a count of how many other presidents have been deemed failures after 3 months in office. Oh wait, that would be 0. Even bush had years before any hate mongering came along.

anyone who cares about foreign affairs disagrees. ESPECIALLY with america's current reputation.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'd not be surprised it troops were still there after that time is past. Remember campaign promises are for votes and the intell isn't there yet.

links136

from what i've noticed, a third of the people who voted for obama expected him to have pulled out 2 months ago, cure world hunger by turning water into wine, destroy the death star and then having him die at the cross for your sins while screaming "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"

anyone who cares about foreign affairs disagrees. ESPECIALLY with america's current reputation.

links136

I think Obama is the best in the USA historyrabunzel

I think Obama is the best in the USA historyrabunzel

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I wouldn't be terribly surprised either. I suspect that everyone who voted for Obama has a certain amount of leeway that they are willing to grant on the 16 month timeframe based on Obama's "conditions/commanders on the ground" hedging. For me, I'm willing to give Obama up to 21 months. If he manages to get the troops out of Iraq within 21 months, then I think he's been relatively consistent with his promise. If, on the other hand, our troops are still there beyond that then I would consider this to be a broken promise on his part. But either way, this in no way makes the TC's original post that Obama + Asking for Money to Fund Iraq/Afghanistan Wars = Bush any more valid. To me, that is faulty reasoning given that - at this point - Obama hasn't done anything that anyone who was paying attention during the campaign shouldn't have expected.nocoolnamejim

from what i've noticed, a third of the people who voted for obama expected him to have pulled out 2 months ago, cure world hunger by turning water into wine, destroy the death star and then having him die at the cross for your sins while screaming "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"

First it was obviously saracasm, but I have noticed that ALOT of people seemed to have voted or at least expected Obama to fix everything by now. EVEN the economy. I'm sure if you were to search Obama topics you'd find plenty of people unhappy because the economy is still declining and thus its Obamas fault...

but he will , , he is different of the restrabunzel

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from what i've noticed, a third of the people who voted for obama expected him to have pulled out 2 months ago, cure world hunger by turning water into wine, destroy the death star and then having him die at the cross for your sins while screaming "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"

links136

First it was obviously saracasm, but I have noticed that ALOT of people seemed to have voted or at least expected Obama to fix everything by now. EVEN the economy. I'm sure if you were to search Obama topics you'd find plenty of people unhappy because the economy is still declining and thus its Obamas fault...

I loved him very much , specially his smilerabunzel

[QUOTE="rabunzel"]I loved him very much , specially his smileLJS9502_basic

I suspect this guy is just trolling. My last reply to you on page 2 is probably more worth replying to.nocoolnamejim

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Hmm. Plenty of folks who voted for Obama on this board. Can you name someone who thought that? This strawman of "Obama set high expectations, so now that he hasn't worked miracles in three months we're fine calling him a failure" is kind of silly in my mind. Nobody who *I* know of who voted for Obama felt he was going to be some sort of savior. We all thought he would be a savior in comparison to his predecessor. For me, my expectation was that it would take the entirety of Obama's first term in office just to undo what I felt was the damage that Bush inflicted the previous 8 years. I certainly wasn't expecting a whole lot after three months.nocoolnamejim

First it was obviously saracasm, but I have noticed that ALOT of people seemed to have voted or at least expected Obama to fix everything by now. EVEN the economy. I'm sure if you were to search Obama topics you'd find plenty of people unhappy because the economy is still declining and thus its Obamas fault...

by alot I mean alot more than there should be, not a majority. And there's still the 40% or so that seem to disagree, especially considering wasn't he at around 75% at one time? People sure changed their minds really quickly, and my point is why. I never meant a majority were against him, just that there were alot of unjust hate in a ridiculously short time.

not to sound racist in any way, but I think people are praising Obama because people want to see the first African American President succeed, even if he is just another politician.

Never thought he was. Politicians are all alike......

LJS9502_basic

not to sound racist in any way, but I think people are praising Obama because people want to see the first African American President succeed, even if he is just another politician.

pvtdonut54

I think Obama is the best in the USA historyrabunzel

He's been in office since January, that is way too early to declare him the best in US history.

but if you look to his history you'll change your mind . he is a successful manrabunzel

Anyone who becomes president has a successful history. America won't vote in someone who was a failure in life.

[QUOTE="rabunzel"]but if you look to his history you'll change your mind . he is a successful manchesterocks7

Anyone who becomes president has a successful history. Americas won't vote in someone who was a failure in life.

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First it was obviously saracasm, but I have noticed that ALOT of people seemed to have voted or at least expected Obama to fix everything by now. EVEN the economy. I'm sure if you were to search Obama topics you'd find plenty of people unhappy because the economy is still declining and thus its Obamas fault...

links136

by alot I mean alot more than there should be, not a majority. And there's still the 40% or so that seem to disagree, especially considering wasn't he at around 75% at one time? People sure changed their minds really quickly, and my point is why. I never meant a majority were against him, just that there were alot of unjust hate in a ridiculously short time.

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[QUOTE="rabunzel"]but if you look to his history you'll change your mind . he is a successful manPirate700

Anyone who becomes president has a successful history. Americas won't vote in someone who was a failure in life.

my problem about him is that every decision he makes tends to revolve around oil. and when you and your government all have stocks in the oil market.....(not claiming him as dumb)

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Actually, the polls do not seem to agree with that assessment. By and large, MANY more people have more faith in Obama than in Republicans to fix the economy. By and large his approval ratings remain hovering around an extremely healthy 60%, and the majority of folks blame either Bush, the financial institutions, or Congress for the recession. If you look, since Obama has taken over, the aggregate of all available polling shows a steady increase in people believing we are getting back onto the right track.nocoolnamejim

by alot I mean alot more than there should be, not a majority. And there's still the 40% or so that seem to disagree, especially considering wasn't he at around 75% at one time? People sure changed their minds really quickly, and my point is why. I never meant a majority were against him, just that there were alot of unjust hate in a ridiculously short time.

like I said, by alot I mean more than there should be, which should be next to none. Unfortunately theres actually alot(i'd say as much as around 10% of the population) that expected him to be the messiah.

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by alot I mean alot more than there should be, not a majority. And there's still the 40% or so that seem to disagree, especially considering wasn't he at around 75% at one time? People sure changed their minds really quickly, and my point is why. I never meant a majority were against him, just that there were alot of unjust hate in a ridiculously short time.

links136

like I said, by alot I mean more than there should be, which should be next to none. Unfortunately theres actually alot(i'd say as much as around 10% of the population) that expected him to be the messiah.

not to sound racist in any way, but I think people are praising Obama because people want to see the first African American President succeed, even if he is just another politician.

pvtdonut54

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not to sound racist in any way, but I think people are praising Obama because people want to see the first African American President succeed, even if he is just another politician.

rabunzel

Besides, of course, the people who legitimately support what he's doing?

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not to sound racist in any way, but I think people are praising Obama because people want to see the first African American President succeed, even if he is just another politician.

chessmaster1989

Besides, of course, the people who legitimately support what he's doing?

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[QUOTE="rabunzel"] yeah I think that's why I praise himPirate700

Besides, of course, the people who legitimately support what he's doing?

:|

I'm still waiting for Obama to pay for my new car.

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not to sound racist in any way, but I think people are praising Obama because people want to see the first African American President succeed, even if he is just another politician.

rabunzel

Which is why voting should not be an innate right.

Gotta love the way one of the conservatives here simply insulted the opposing party. Whereas the liberal mod provided arguments that were actually supported. :lol:

Obama is no better than Bush

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Stop right there!

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