Obama named 15th best president by 238 Presidential Scholars

If less people drove, that would reduce the cost of many things. I never said "get rid of driving", did I? I am an advocate for reducing it. Anecdotal evidence such as video games and people you know don't count. It's a fact that preventable heart disease and obesity are great problems in this country. And our commuting practices are a large cause of that.Engrish_Major

So FedEx doesn't use trucks to deliver goods? Trucks don't bring goods cross-country for sale in other cities?

The fact that you apparently can't grasp the need to transporation of goods astounds me. I was using a video game as a joke, thinking it was common sense that we need vehicles for every day.

Show me some studies that prove your last statement. I thought over-eating and lack of exercise(lack of will to exercise) were the main factors.

Well clearly they know best, they can even predict the future and judge Obama after just one year in office, amazing. And also, FDR? Seriously?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Studies have found that living closer to your job can actually offset the immense cost of commuting from living dozens of miles away from it. So you can't necessarily bring affordability into it. And, why do you need to drive to and from the grocery store each time? I don't remember the last time I drove to a grocery store.airshocker

There are cases where you just can't move to go to a new job. It's impossible. There are also some jobs that require you to live in wide open expanses, like farming. Can't farm in a city.

And you do not represent every single person in America. There are families that need vehicles to pick groceries and other things up.

FDR at number one? How the hell can you put a President that signed off on internment camps for American citizens at the top of the list?Theokhoth

The fact that he ended the depression, WWI, and WWII negates that imo

and honestly can you blame him? After the pearl harbor attack the people were angry/teriffied of the japanese (while i agree it was absolutley wrong) the whole mass hysteria thing kinda forced him into it.

It is questionable on the obama part (i think he is a good president but still hasnt proven himself that well to be that high yet)

but i like the list. also hell yes on Teddy R. at #2

You know, on these lists, I've always wondered how they go about ranking William Henry Harrison. I mean, on account of barely having any actions as president at all before he died.

The fact that he ended the depression, WWI, and WWII negates that imolegend26

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=relatedSnipes_2

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And...Without a Teleprompter...He isn't a Great Orator. Which is my point.

Ninja-Hippo

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That doesn't mean anything - him losing his train of thought while speaking at a town hall event doesn't prove that he doesn't play an active role in the crafting of his own speeches. As I've already posted, there is hard evidence that says to the contrary.

-Sun_Tzu-

You know, on these lists, I've always wondered how they go about ranking William Henry Harrison. I mean, on account of barely having any actions as president at all before he died.

MetroidPrimePwn

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When the American people spend money, that's a good thing. When they have no money to spend because of higher taxes and ridiculous legislation like cap and trade(hopefully that will never pass), that's a bad thing.

When the people don't invest because everything Obama does scares the **** out of them, that's a bad thing too. I wish I could set my IRA to a more aggressive level, but I'm not willing to take 10 - 20% losses everytime Obama makes businesses **** themselves, which seems to be the norm.

Engrish_Major

Cap and trade has been nothing short of an utter failure in Europe.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"] Those aren't speeches...Osaka-06

[QUOTE="legend26"]The fact that he ended the depression, WWI, and WWII negates that imoscorch-62

truman came around the end oh ww2 after he died...FDR pretty much did everything including beating the germans

Of course there are cases, and some people that need vehicles. But not the 90% of people in most cities that currently drive to their jobs. When gas went above $4 per gallon, commuting share in public transit in most cities in this country rose immensely. Which shows that people do in fact have a choice. It is cheap gas that keeps them in their cars. And I have to breathe it.Engrish_Major

I would suggest moving out of the city, then, if you don't want to breathe that air.

I'm sure if you stuck your mouth around an exhaust pipe for awhile you might have something bad happen to you. But walking down the street when all cars in New York have to go through an emissions inspection? I think not.

So FedEx doesn't use trucks to deliver goods? Trucks don't bring goods cross-country for sale in other cities?

The fact that you apparently can't grasp the need to transporation of goods astounds me. I was using a video game as a joke, thinking it was common sense that we need vehicles for every day.

Show me some studies that prove your last statement. I thought over-eating and lack of exercise(lack of will to exercise) were the main factors.

airshocker

Here is one article, but it's not rocket science:

"Researchers have found that hours spent behind the wheel raise blood pressure and cause workers to get sick and stay home more often. Commuters have lower thresholds for frustration at work, suffer more headaches and chest pains, and more often display negative moods at home in the evenings."

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Of course there are cases, and some people that need vehicles. But not the 90% of people in most cities that currently drive to their jobs. When gas went above $4 per gallon, commuting share in public transit in most cities in this country rose immensely. Which shows that people do in fact have a choice. It is cheap gas that keeps them in their cars. And I have to breathe it.airshocker

I would suggest moving out of the city, then, if you don't want to breathe that air.

I'm sure if you stuck your mouth around an exhaust pipe for awhile you might have something bad happen to you. But walking down the street when all cars in New York have to go through an emissions inspection? I think not.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I said the Second one wasn't....Why isn't the first one a speech?Snipes_2

Cap and trade has been nothing short of an utter failure in Europe.

When did I ever mention trucks? I don't see how you think I can't grasp the need of transportation of goods. I never even mentioned that :?

Here is one article, but it's not rocket science:

"Researchers have found that hours spent behind the wheel raise blood pressure and cause workers to get sick and stay home more often. Commuters have lower thresholds for frustration at work, suffer more headaches and chest pains, and more often display negative moods at home in the evenings."

Engrish_Major

I thought we were talking about obesity?

I don't have any of these problems, considering I'm in the car all day.

obama wants to raise the price of gas to over the next 10 years wtf is that... http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3087-gas-prices-may-reach-7-per-gallon i feel bad for anyone that thinks this guy is a good president and i really feel afraid for my own future. xbox360isgr8t

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I said the Second one wasn't....Why isn't the first one a speech?Snipes_2

This list is a bunch of crap because Obama hasn't even been president for that long. Plus, these lists change drastically all the time because the way a president is viewed changes over time, especially after he is out of office. For example, look at GW Bush's ranking around the time of 9/11, where he had a very high approval rating and was towards the middle of a lot of these lists. Now, he's almost universally on the bottom. Also, take a look at one of these lists from 10-20 years ago and you'll see big differences between this one. I took a class in college about this exact topic, so I know a bit about the subject, and the truth is, Obama will probably be towards to middle or bottom third of the list once he's time in office is up (part of that is my opinion, the other part is influenced on research I've done on this subject in college).

Not to mention Teddy Roosevelt at #2 is just pure BS.

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And...Without a Teleprompter...He isn't a Great Orator. Which is my point.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"] He's answering questions about his policies and politics on the go. It has got nothing to do with him being a great orator or not...but it's not as if that matters anyways...something which the republicans have been trying to argue for years.

Ninja-Hippo

Lyndon B johnson at 16 :?...

And Martn Van buhren (sp?)?!

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] No it wasn't. :| Your point was that he cannot remember portions of his own speeches, which you were saying is proof that he must not be heavily involved in writing them. Ninja-Hippo

I thought we were talking about obesity?

I don't have any of these problems, considering I'm in the car all day.

Air quality due to auto emissions is bad for your respiratory health. That's not even debatable. And, if I moved out of the city, then I would be contributing to the problem, which I refuse to do.Engrish_Major

There are a lot of things that are bad for your respiratory health. Like I said, if you were sucking on an exhaust pipe, you might seem some immediate symptons. Or sitting in a garage with the car running. But not as you walk down an open street.

You aren't fixing the problem either. What you are suggesting creates even more problems.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Alright so he edits his speeches. Doesn't mean he can speak without a prompter. -Sun_Tzu-

He didn't even answer the question. Do you support Obama?

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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]obama wants to raise the price of gas to over the next 10 years wtf is that... http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3087-gas-prices-may-reach-7-per-gallon i feel bad for anyone that thinks this guy is a good president and i really feel afraid for my own future. Engrish_Major

I mentioned various health problems (respiratory, heart disease, etc), of which obesity is merely one of. The argument is still that cheap gas hurts us.Engrish_Major

You only mentioned obesity and heart disease when I asked you for a study, actually.

The article you did provide seems to me only to represent those who are in the car for hours upon hours every day. Not the average American driving to work. Expensive gas hurts us more.

I thought we were talking about obesity?

I don't have any of these problems, considering I'm in the car all day.

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He didn't even answer the question. Do you support Obama?

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]obama wants to raise the price of gas to over the next 10 years wtf is that... http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3087-gas-prices-may-reach-7-per-gallon i feel bad for anyone that thinks this guy is a good president and i really feel afraid for my own future. jalexbrown

You only mentioned obesity and heart disease when I asked you for a study, actually.

The article you did provide seems to me only to represent those who are in the car for hours upon hours every day. Not the average American driving to work. Expensive gas hurts us more.

What kind of car do you drive?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Uh...Yeah and...? He can't talk without it :/ http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/27/video-totus-betrays-potus-again/

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He didn't even answer the question. Do you support Obama?

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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]What kind of car do you drive?Engrish_Major

Why don't you have a hybrid?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're ignoring what you originally said and trying to morph this into a different point. You originally claimed that he is not involved in the writing of his speeches. Someone pointed out that he is, to which you claimed that you do not think he is because if he was, he would remember them. You then posted a video to prove that he cannot remember anything from his speeches, however your video was not of a speech, included no teleprompters and didn't really feature him failing to remember anything but simply correcting himself using the wrong word for something on the fly. Now if you would like to change the point into 'he cannot talk without a teleprompter' you can if you want, but at least acknowledge that your original point has gone completely unproven by the evidence you submitted. Ninja-Hippo