Obama named 15th best president by 238 Presidential Scholars

You only mentioned obesity and heart disease when I asked you for a study, actually.

The article you did provide seems to me only to represent those who are in the car for hours upon hours every day. Not the average American driving to work. Expensive gas hurts us more.

The fact is that driving is the most expensive, most dangerous, and least efficient mode of transit. Less driving = better for everyone.Engrish_Major

And making gas more expensive will only make it worse.

Driving is very efficient. We wouldn't have such a fast-paced society if people weren't allowed to drive.

Everything is inherently dangerous, unfortunately.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Why don't you have a hybrid?Engrish_Major

I'm not the least bit sure how I got quoted here. :|jalexbrown

Don't you steal my words!

And making gas more expensive will only make it worse.

Driving is very efficient. We wouldn't have such a fast-paced society if people weren't allowed to drive.

Everything is inherently dangerous, unfortunately.

Obama only got elected because he's black.

And making gas more expensive will only make it worse.

Driving is very efficient. We wouldn't have such a fast-paced society if people weren't allowed to drive.

Everything is inherently dangerous, unfortunately.

Wouldn't it be safe to say that every little bit would help?jalexbrown

Obama only got elected because he's black.

p2250

Obama only got elected because he's black.

p2250

Cap and trade has been nothing short of an utter failure in Europe.

No, as I said earlier, making it more expensive will make less people drive. It is still the least efficient out of any mode you can choose. Also the least safe.Engrish_Major

No it won't. People will always have to drive. For people who live in the city, it's all well and good(Well, that's debatable, the MTA blows). But for people in the suburbs and in rural areas, they need to drive.

It seems like you have no idea that there is an entire country outside of NYC.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Wouldn't it be safe to say that every little bit would help?Engrish_Major

So should those of us in the rural areas become victims and have to pay $7 for a gallon of gas just because of where we happen to live? How does that sound fair to you?jalexbrown

I'm not following your logic. How would everyone switching to hybrids be bad for the environment?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="p2250"]

Obama only got elected because he's black.

Snipes_2

Yes, he did. (second page)

He won on both.

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And making gas more expensive will only make it worse.

Driving is very efficient. We wouldn't have such a fast-paced society if people weren't allowed to drive.

Everything is inherently dangerous, unfortunately.

Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="p2250"]

Obama only got elected because he's black.

Snipes_2

No it won't. People will always have to drive. For people who live in the city, it's all well and good(Well, that's debatable, the MTA blows). But for people in the suburbs and in rural areas, they need to drive.

It seems like you have no idea that there is an entire country outside of NYC.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]So should those of us in the rural areas become victims and have to pay $7 for a gallon of gas just because of where we happen to live? How does that sound fair to you?Engrish_Major

How can they grade someone before they're done with their presidency?

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]I'm not following your logic. How would everyone switching to hybrids be bad for the environment?Engrish_Major

So basically you're saying to hell with rural areas along with anyone that lives there? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - just trying to understand your position.jalexbrown

Basically humanities mere existence harms the environment...?Xx_Hopeless_xX

FDR at number one? How the hell can you put a President that signed off on internment camps for American citizens at the top of the list?Theokhoth

Hmm have you actually looked at some of the other presidents? Andrew Jackson ranked 14th signed the Indian Removal Act which led to the Trail of Tears.

William Henry Harrison a president who died 31 days into his presidency is ranked above George W. Bush. I find that just great. jks22112

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Basically humanities mere existence harms the environment...?Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="p2250"]

Obama only got elected because he's black.

Snipes_2

Actually he won on the popular vote, and suggesting that he won because he is black.. I can then claim that people voted against him because he was black... Minorities such as the black population has always been overwhelmingly democrat for the past few decades.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]So basically you're saying to hell with rural areas along with anyone that lives there? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - just trying to understand your position.Engrish_Major

Well, as i've said...those who are so worried about the environment have the capacity to do something about it..if it REALLY matters to them that much...Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="p2250"]

Obama only got elected because he's black.

sSubZerOo

Actually he won on the popular vote, and suggesting that he won because he is black.. I can then claim that people voted against him because he was black... Minorities such as the black population has always been overwhelmingly democrat for the past few decades.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Well, as i've said...those who are so worried about the environment have the capacity to do something about it..if it REALLY matters to them that much...Engrish_Major

That's kind of dodging the question isn't it? You're not at all taking into account rural America or the people that live there. You're backing up a policy that helps people in urban areas at the expense of people in rural areas - and then you claim to care about the environment even though urban areas clearly pose a much larger threat to the environment than rural areas. This is clearly advocating socioeconomic superiority.jalexbrown

He won on Electoral votes too :( Not even the popular vote. Snipes_2

Wait, what? That was George W. Bush. Obama won the highest percentage in the popular vote of any president since 1988.

Ehh, it's a bit premature to already be placing him in a list of best presidents. He's been in office for barely 2 years forcrying out loud.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]He won on Electoral votes too :( Not even the popular vote. GabuEx

Wait, what? That was George W. Bush. Obama won the highest percentage in the popular vote of any president since 1988.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] That's kind of dodging the question isn't it? You're not at all taking into account rural America or the people that live there. You're backing up a policy that helps people in urban areas at the expense of people in rural areas - and then you claim to care about the environment even though urban areas clearly pose a much larger threat to the environment than rural areas. This is clearly advocating socioeconomic superiority.Engrish_Major