Obama named 15th best president by 238 Presidential Scholars

Lol, Wow. You guys must be lurking these threads just waiting to catch a mistake :lol:Snipes_2

No, I just came back from being away. :P

Ehh, it's a bit premature to already be placing him in a list of best presidents. He's been in office for barely 2 years forcrying out loud.

THGarrett

I don't think its premature, seeing as this list is not set in stone and it will change. with those two years for better or worse.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Lol, Wow. You guys must be lurking these threads just waiting to catch a mistake :lol:GabuEx

No, I just came back from being away. :P

Before highways were common, the car industry was just a fraction of what it is today. Of course people lived closer to things. That's just logical. To me this sounds like one of those "In the good ol' days" arguments.jalexbrown

I think you may find this interesting/enlightening, Snipes. A journalist for the British media did an article on mistakes Obama and Biden have made (so no accusations of bias, please), and then later did a follow up when many American readers commented why he did not include anything about Obama's recent supposed teleprompter gaffe. He had this to say:

Obama stepped in after Cowen's five-minute speech to make a good-natured and well-received joke at the Irish premier's expense. Cowen, having read Obama's speech from the teleprompter realized his mistake 12 words-in, after which Obama returned to the podium to make an off-cuff and light-hearted joke, saying 'thank you to President Obama' to uproarious laughter, before wishing everyone a happy St. Patrick's day.

Rush Limbaugh and Fox News misreporting fed into theprevailing anti-Obama theme that he cannot speak without a teleprompter, and mistakenly thanked himself. The video here features Limbaugh ranting about his idiocy for over six minutes, based on one completely misreported story.

"It's rubbish, of course, to argue that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter. On the campaign trail, Obama often spoke off the cuff and did so remarkably well. Anyone denying that is not living in the real world and his political opponents are deluding themselves if they think he is not a good – at times,superb – speaker.

He had off days on the campaign trail but on top form he was a campaigner without rival. I remember him at the height of his campaigning powers at an event in Alexandria, Virginia last February. Here's a sample of what I saw (note he is not using a teleprompter):"

LINK to video.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Before highways were common, the car industry was just a fraction of what it is today. Of course people lived closer to things. That's just logical. To me this sounds like one of those "In the good ol' days" arguments.Engrish_Major

I think you may find this interesting/enlightening, Snipes. A journalist for the British media did an article on mistakes Obama and Biden have made (so no accusations of bias, please), and then later did a follow up when many American readers commented why he did not include anything about Obama's recent supposed teleprompter gaffe. He had this to say:

Obama stepped in after Cowen's five-minute speech to make a good-natured and well-received joke at the Irish premier's expense. Cowen, having read Obama's speech from the teleprompter realized his mistake 12 words-in, after which Obama returned to the podium to make an off-cuff and light-hearted joke, saying 'thank you to President Obama' to uproarious laughter, before wishing everyone a happy St. Patrick's day.

Rush Limbaugh and Fox News misreporting fed into theprevailing anti-Obama theme that he cannot speak without a teleprompter, and mistakenly thanked himself. The video here features Limbaugh ranting about his idiocy for over six minutes, based on one completely misreported story.

"It's rubbish, of course, to argue that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter. On the campaign trail, Obama often spoke off the cuff and did so remarkably well. Anyone denying that is not living in the real world and his political opponents are deluding themselves if they think he is not a good – at times,superb – speaker.

He had off days on the campaign trail but on top form he was a campaigner without rival. I remember him at the height of his campaigning powers at an event in Alexandria, Virginia last February. Here's a sample of what I saw (note he is not using a teleprompter):"

LINK to video.

Ninja-Hippo

Of all the things people could legitimately criticize Obama on, I will never understand why "he can't speak without a teleprompter" and "he hasn't done anything" have always been the old standbys. I have to react like, that's the best argument against him one can make?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Before highways were common, the car industry was just a fraction of what it is today. Of course people lived closer to things. That's just logical. To me this sounds like one of those "In the good ol' days" arguments.jalexbrown

Public transportaiton in most areas like street cars system were bought out and dismantled by the car companies, to force people to buy cars.. Thats why public transportation is a joke in the US compared to places in Europe.

Watch this and then tell me with a straight fact that Obama is a bad orator.

If you look at a lot of urban cities, you'll find that public transportation is a money pit. For example I live near Cincinnati, and public transportation is practically non-existent unless you go into the heart of downtown - which has next to nothing and no real reason to use public transportation anyways. The suburban areas of Cincinnati had public transportation for a while in the 90s, but most of them are now gone because nobody used them. Even when gas was over $4 a gallon, the public transportation system only saw a very marginal hike - and it still never picked up in suburban areas. During the gas peak, very few gas stations were reporting any major change in gas sales. Maybe people use public transportation in your city, but you're very blatantly assuming it would be the same in every other city.jalexbrown

Yes, they are money pits. No form of transit is inherently profitable for the users or builders, including driving. Roads are quiteheavily subsidized.

Here are some articles profiling the rise in transit use among various US cities that correlate to the rise in gas prices, I'll find more if you'd like:

Travelers Turn to Public Transit

Gas Prices Send Surge of Riders to Mass Transit

Drivers Switch to Public Transit

Of all the things people could legitimately criticize Obama on, I will never understand why "he can't speak without a teleprompter" and "he hasn't done anything" have always been the old standbys. I have to react like, that's the best argument against him one can make?

GabuEx

I think you may find this interesting/enlightening, Snipes. A journalist for the British media did an article on mistakes Obama and Biden have made (so no accusations of bias, please), and then later did a follow up when many American readers commented why he did not include anything about Obama's recent supposed teleprompter gaffe. He had this to say:

Obama stepped in after Cowen's five-minute speech to make a good-natured and well-received joke at the Irish premier's expense. Cowen, having read Obama's speech from the teleprompter realized his mistake 12 words-in, after which Obama returned to the podium to make an off-cuff and light-hearted joke, saying 'thank you to President Obama' to uproarious laughter, before wishing everyone a happy St. Patrick's day.

Rush Limbaugh and Fox News misreporting fed into theprevailing anti-Obama theme that he cannot speak without a teleprompter, and mistakenly thanked himself. The video here features Limbaugh ranting about his idiocy for over six minutes, based on one completely misreported story.

"It's rubbish, of course, to argue that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter. On the campaign trail, Obama often spoke off the cuff and did so remarkably well. Anyone denying that is not living in the real world and his political opponents are deluding themselves if they think he is not a good – at times,superb – speaker.

He had off days on the campaign trail but on top form he was a campaigner without rival. I remember him at the height of his campaigning powers at an event in Alexandria, Virginia last February. Here's a sample of what I saw (note he is not using a teleprompter):"

LINK to video.

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

I think you may find this interesting/enlightening, Snipes. A journalist for the British media did an article on mistakes Obama and Biden have made (so no accusations of bias, please), and then later did a follow up when many American readers commented why he did not include anything about Obama's recent supposed teleprompter gaffe. He had this to say:

Obama stepped in after Cowen's five-minute speech to make a good-natured and well-received joke at the Irish premier's expense. Cowen, having read Obama's speech from the teleprompter realized his mistake 12 words-in, after which Obama returned to the podium to make an off-cuff and light-hearted joke, saying 'thank you to President Obama' to uproarious laughter, before wishing everyone a happy St. Patrick's day.

Rush Limbaugh and Fox News misreporting fed into theprevailing anti-Obama theme that he cannot speak without a teleprompter, and mistakenly thanked himself. The video here features Limbaugh ranting about his idiocy for over six minutes, based on one completely misreported story.

"It's rubbish, of course, to argue that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter. On the campaign trail, Obama often spoke off the cuff and did so remarkably well. Anyone denying that is not living in the real world and his political opponents are deluding themselves if they think he is not a good – at times,superb – speaker.

He had off days on the campaign trail but on top form he was a campaigner without rival. I remember him at the height of his campaigning powers at an event in Alexandria, Virginia last February. Here's a sample of what I saw (note he is not using a teleprompter):"

LINK to video.

GabuEx

Of all the things people could legitimately criticize Obama on, I will never understand why "he can't speak without a teleprompter" and "he hasn't done anything" have always been the old standbys. I have to react like, that's the best argument against him one can make?

Public transportaiton in most areas like street cars system were bought out and dismantled by the car companies, to force people to buy cars.. Thats why public transportation is a joke in the US compared to places in Europe.

Obama did thank himselfSnipes_2

As a joke.

Obama did thank himself, Fox didn't skew that (It's on multiple news sites). Why are we now using Youtube links to prove points? I thought one obscure link on Youtube wasn't good enough to prove his inadequacy. Can you post the link for that article please?Snipes_2

The article is from a newspaper report which you need to subscribe to to view, but an excert from it including most of what i quoted can be read here (it also includes both videos featured):

Link to the Telegraph article.

Choice quote for you, however:

'That was pretty clear: there was a teleprompter mix up and the fall guy was Cowen. Obama stepped in after Cowen's five-minute speech to make a good-natured and well-received joke at the Irish premier's expense.

Ironically, therefore, Obama was ad-libbing rather than mindlessly reading the wrong speech from a teleprompter.

I've exchanged emails with Englund and he confirmed this was the caseand kindly supplied me with an audio file of the event that removes all doubt.'

Public transportaiton in most areas like street cars system were bought out and dismantled by the car companies, to force people to buy cars.. Thats why public transportation is a joke in the US compared to places in Europe.

As a joke.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
Obama did thank himself, Fox didn't skew that (It's on multiple news sites). Why are we now using Youtube links to prove points? I thought one obscure link on Youtube wasn't good enough to prove his inadequacy. Can you post the link for that article please?Ninja-Hippo

The article is from a newspaper report which you need to subscribe to to view, but an excert from it including most of what i quoted can be read here (it also includes both videos featured):

Link to the Telegraph article.

Choice quote for you, however:

'That was pretty clear: there was a teleprompter mix up and the fall guy was Cowen. Obama stepped in after Cowen's five-minute speech to make a good-natured and well-received joke at the Irish premier's expense.

Ironically, therefore, Obama was ad-libbing rather than mindlessly reading the wrong speech from a teleprompter.

I've exchanged emails with Englund and he confirmed this was the caseand kindly supplied me with an audio file of the event that removes all doubt.'

Now I'm a bit confused on the matter, because we have two people that disagree with Snipes offering conflicting views of what happened.

jalexbrown

A quick question: do you support the government forcing people into policies that they don't want?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]A quick question: do you support the government forcing people into policies that they don't want?Engrish_Major

Obama....15th......wow *facepalm* he hasnt really did anything -_-'.Foxi911

Have u ben living under a rock?

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

Now I'm a bit confused on the matter, because we have two people that disagree with Snipes offering conflicting views of what happened.

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

Now I'm a bit confused on the matter, because we have two people that disagree with Snipes offering conflicting views of what happened.

jalexbrown

Now I'm a bit confused on the matter, because we have two people that disagree with Snipes offering conflicting views of what happened.

jalexbrown

It pretty much goes like this:

1. Cowen accidentally began to read from Obama's speech. He recognized his mistake and stopped.

2. Obama came on and jokingly said, "Thank you, President Obama" as though he were reading from Cowen's speech. Everyone has a good laugh, except apparently certain people in the media.

3. Those certain people decide to ignore the background and just report that Obama thanked himself as though he were so stupid that he couldn't figure out that "Thank you, President Obama" was not part of his speech.

Do you think that most people wanting the President trying to get gas prices up to seven bucks?jalexbrown

the teleprompter attacks come because some might think he relies to much on it. xbox360isgr8t

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Do you think that most people wanting the President trying to get gas prices up to seven bucks?Engrish_Major

What the hell is Nixon doing above Bush?

MasterBolt360

Do you have a source with gas prices for other countries? That would be an interesting read.jalexbrown

(Note where it states "In the absence of subsidies in the United States, per gallon prices are expected to reach or exceeded European levels.")

Actually, one of the sourced links here seems to be good (though it doesn't work so well on my work PC)

I wonder what the republicans will be busier doing: bashing Obama or defending Bush.jalexbrown

I think is a trap for them to defend Bush, I say Obama bashing like always.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Do you have a source with gas prices for other countries? That would be an interesting read.Engrish_Major

(Note where it states "In the absence of subsidies in the United States, per gallon prices are expected to reach or exceeded European levels.")

Actually, one of the sourced links here seems to be good (though it doesn't work so well on my work PC)

Uh...FDR at number one? :lol:

Yeah, I'm totally going to trust what they say from now on.

Yay the president I am related to is not at the bottom.

Obama the 15th best president? Subjectivity at its finest.

Wow.... I am losing more and more respect for people.... Obama has done nothing but make situations worse. Bush was horrible but Obama is just as bad if not worse.

Each one of those scholars should be ashamed

Whether you are liberal or not you have to admit this is absurd...

I don't think it is fair to rank Obama among the other Presidents until many years after he has left office, that way we can really see the full impact of his actions.

My favorite president is 2nd on the list. :D

I don't think it is fair to rank Obama among the other Presidents until many years after he has left office, that way we can really see the full impact of his actions.

DarkGamer007

I personally believe they should be ranked 10 years after their presidency ends. that way it filters out possible political bias

Uh...FDR at number one? :lol:

Yeah, I'm totally going to trust what they say from now on.

Saturos3091

I just think it's funny that people on here are claiming to have a better views of who's a good president than "238 presidential scholars" you know the guys with degrees and whose jobs are to study presidents.

I voted for Obama and I still support Obama, but it's a tad premature to rank his presidancy just yet. Let's wait until it's over and get a bit of perspective.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]I wonder what the republicans will be busier doing: bashing Obama or defending Bush.Bikouchu35

I think is a trap for them to defend Bush, I say Obama bashing like always.

Obama....15th......wow *facepalm* he hasnt really did anything -_-'.Foxi911

Besides going back on what he got elected to do (end the war).

1. Making Obamacare (great there goes the economy/my great grandchildren's social security I'm 20 btw so yeah...)

2. Tried to get a Israel spy that helped save many lives deported

3. Made his aunt a citizen. (unconstitutional)

4. Oil "thing" going on right now...

5. Blame it on the previous president...

He is done nothing...good that is. These "scholars" need to stop watching mtv and actually watch the news or something.

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]I wonder what the republicans will be busier doing: bashing Obama or defending Bush.Unassigned

I think is a trap for them to defend Bush, I say Obama bashing like always.

I love how the media rides Obamas **** so hardsboyer2