Obama orders med shops in California to close down.

Yep, this is ALL Obama's fault. Nothing to do with congress or the previous administration or anything.

In fact lets also blame him for the economy crashing and give the previous administration all the credit when Osama is killed, all while hating on any new concepts he might present. Yep.

SPYDER0416

I defend Obama a lot but I'm sure if he didn't want this to happen he could've easily stepped in and stopped it.

I think it's reasonable to put blame on Bush and Congress for a lot of things but not this.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] wut? it was legal before it was made illegal with the stamp act,and even then it is not illegal per se, you just needed an authorized stamp that was never printed so you could sell itsurrealnumber5

I'm not American so I'm not entirely sure how much power the president really has over there but from what I've heard from a few teachers here in my country is that when you become president in America you basically become the most powerful man on Earth. You'd think he'd be able to stop something like this if that were true and if it is true but he refuses to stop it then it's as good as giving support to it in my opinion.

It really seems like the only point to having a president is to have somebody to blame when things go wrong. Obama isn't much of a leader in my opinion and while I think he's had mostly good intentions along the way he would have been better in another position.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] In the US....it was not legal in the US.;)LJS9502_basic

Well since we are not in a state of financial crisis and do not need any additional tax revenue, it only makes sense to shut down an industry that would potentially pump billions of dollars into our country's coffers via hefty taxes that the dispensaries so gladly pay. :roll: That way we can continue to support the big tax evading corporations that provide extremely toxic (but legal!!) alternatives to this very practical substance. One thing that really pisses off corporate America is seeing someone else make tons of money and then go and actually pay their taxes on it. When I read that the IRS is attacking Medical Marijuana dispensaries for taking the very same deductions that places that sellliquor and cigarette do, I have to wonder about their motives. Are not those also 'controlled substances? What about pharmacies? Rx drugs are controlled too, right?

I'm not American so I'm not entirely sure how much power the president really has over there but from what I've heard from a few teachers here in my country is that when you become president in America you basically become the most powerful man on Earth. You'd think he'd be able to stop something like this if that were true and if it is true but he refuses to stop it then it's as good as giving support to it in my opinion.

It really seems like the only point to having a president is to have somebody to blame when things go wrong. Obama isn't much of a leader in my opinion and while I think he's had mostly good intentions along the way he would have been better in another position.

XileLord

IRS is doing this not Obama. Ace6301

on his watch though

Well since we are not in a state of financial crisis and do not need anyadditional tax revenue, it only makes sense to shut down an industrythat would potentially pump billions of dollars into our country'scoffers via hefty taxes that the dispensaries so gladly pay. :roll: That way we can continue to support the big tax evading corporations that provide extremely toxic (but legal!!) alternatives to this very practical substance. One thing that really pisses off corporate America is seeing someone else make tons of money and then go and actually pay their taxes on it. When I read that the IRS is attacking Medical Marijuana dispensaries for taking the very same deductions that places that sellliquor and cigarette do, I have to wonder about their motives. Are not those also 'controlled substances? What about pharmacies? Rx drugs are controlled too, right?

_R34LiTY_

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]IRS is doing this not Obama. Rikusaki

Its not Obama people...its the IRS. The president doesn't have that much power geez :roll:MgamerBD

Well, it's too bad the American people don't understand this. Obama just lost votes big time.

:lol:

You act as tho there's some monolothic block of pot smoking voters or something.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] yea it was....surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Yep, this is ALL Obama's fault. Nothing to do with congress or the previous administration or anything.

In fact lets also blame him for the economy crashing and give the previous administration all the credit when Osama is killed, all while hating on any new concepts he might present. Yep.

LJS9502_basic

Jesus Christ. He never said it was isolated to one president.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Since it's never been legal in the US....I'm not seeing any change in policy.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]California is state...not federal.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Yep, this is ALL Obama's fault. Nothing to do with congress or the previous administration or anything.

In fact lets also blame him for the economy crashing and give the previous administration all the credit when Osama is killed, all while hating on any new concepts he might present. Yep.

GreySeal9

Jesus Christ. He never said it was isolated to one president.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and? before it was made illegal it was legal, you have not stated a time line so i am using the entirety of us history, though i dont need to go back too far in it.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Every president gets blamed for what transpires while they are in office. It's not like this is isolated to one president.:|LJS9502_basic

Jesus Christ. He never said it was isolated to one president.

Then what was your response all about? Just felt like stating the obvious for no reason?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Jesus Christ. He never said it was isolated to one president.

GreySeal9

Then what was your response all about? Just felt like stating the obvious for no reason?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If you don't want to stay in the context of this topic that's fine. Just state that.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] you said ": Since it's never been legal in the US....I'm not seeing any change in policy." never means never. but feel free to spin and reset if you so wish.

surrealnumber5

drugs are bad mmmmmmkay

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And I never said he did. :roll:LJS9502_basic

Then what was your response all about? Just felt like stating the obvious for no reason?

I made no assumptions (it's pretty silly that you're even trying to act like I did). I simply said that he didn't say it was isolated to one President, which he didn't. He might believe it is (tho he probably doesn't), but he didn't SAY that.

I got involved because a) I can b) I wanted to and c) it's kind of annoying when people respond to statements the other person didn't make.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] [QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Its not Obama people...its the IRS. The president doesn't have that much power geez :roll:GreySeal9

Well, it's too bad the American people don't understand this. Obama just lost votes big time.

:lol:

You act as tho there's some monolothic block of pot smoking voters or something.

excuse me;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRMvg5TAl8

family feud and the entire province of BC disagree with you

drugs are bad mmmmmmkay

dontshackzmii

Even if we agreed that all drugs are bad, that's no reason for them all to be illegal.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm talking about the recent history of the drug. It's not like it was legal during the lifetime of much of the people who frequent this site...so for all intents and purposes...while Cali passed that law...it was in contradiction to US Federal Law which does supersede state laws. And hence...NO POLICY change which I stated.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Then what was your response all about? Just felt like stating the obvious for no reason?

GreySeal9

I made no assumptions (it's pretty silly that you're even trying to act like I did). I simply said that he didn't say it was isolated to one President, which he didn't. He might believe it is (tho he probably doesn't), but he didn't SAY that.

I got involved because a) I can b) I wanted to and c) it's kind of annoying when people respond to statements the other person didn't make.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There is the fact that you are making assumptions as to his intent, thoughts, beliefs. For what purpose exactly did you feel the need to get involved?LJS9502_basic

I made no assumptions (it's pretty silly that you're even trying to act like I did). I simply said that he didn't say it was isolated to one President, which he didn't. He might believe it is (tho he probably doesn't), but he didn't SAY that.

I got involved because a) I can b) I wanted to and c) it's kind of annoying when people respond to statements the other person didn't make.

Oh boy. I didn't say it was obvious to him (tho I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, since he seems like a reasonably intelligent person). I said it was obvious in general, which it is. Somebody would have to be pretty dull-minded to think that only one President gets blamed for bad stuff.

I'm really not sure what was the point of your comment. It seems that either you assumed that he thought that blame was isolated to one Pres. and argued against that or assumed that he was not smart enough to realize that all Presidents get blamed.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] you said ": Since it's never been legal in the US....I'm not seeing any change in policy." never means never. but feel free to spin and reset if you so wish.

surrealnumber5

This is actually quite good advice, not just for LJ, but for everybody on the board.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I made no assumptions (it's pretty silly that you're even trying to act like I did). I simply said that he didn't say it was isolated to one President, which he didn't. He might believe it is (tho he probably doesn't), but he didn't SAY that.

I got involved because a) I can b) I wanted to and c) it's kind of annoying when people respond to statements the other person didn't make.

GreySeal9

Oh boy. I didn't say it was obvious to him (tho I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, since he seems like a reasonably intelligent person). I said it was obvious in general, which it is. Somebody would have to be pretty dull-minded to think that only one President gets blamed for bad stuff.

I'm really not sure what was the point of your comment. It seems that either you assumed that he thought that blame was isolated to one Pres. and argued against that or assumed that he was not smart enough to realize that all Presidents get blamed.

family feud and the entire province of BC disagree with you

ionusX

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

This is actually quite good advice, not just for LJ, but for everybody on the board.GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Of course you did. You don't know that's it obvious to him that all presidents get blamed. You cannot know that at all. I find the same thing about c as you do.LJS9502_basic

Oh boy. I didn't say it was obvious to him (tho I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, since he seems like a reasonably intelligent person). I said it was obvious in general, which it is. Somebody would have to be pretty dull-minded to think that only one President gets blamed for bad stuff.

I'm really not sure what was the point of your comment. It seems that either you assumed that he thought that blame was isolated to one Pres. and argued against that or assumed that he was not smart enough to realize that all Presidents get blamed.

If you want to be dramatic and take it as an attack on you, that's your prerogative. Wasn't my intention. People arguing what the other person said just happens to be a pet peeve of mine, and I would respond the same way to anybody.

It would seem that before posting something so obvious it could be seen as condescending, one would wait until someone actually states only one President gets blamed.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]This is actually quite good advice, not just for LJ, but for everybody on the board.LJS9502_basic

And why exactly does that seem ironic?

Why do we need weed again? Anyone?PS2_ROCKS

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

If you want to be dramatic and take it as an attack on you, that's your prerogative. Wasn't my attention. People arguing what the other person said just happens to be a pet peeve of mine, and I would respond the same way to anybody.

It would seem that before posting something so obvious it could be seen as condescending, one would wait until someone actually states only one President gets blamed.

GreySeal9

for some reason, all I'm getting in my head is the voices of hundreds of mary jane users going, "Your Seriously Killing my High man" or"Down With the Man, man, he took my bud"

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Why do we need weed again? Anyone?GreySeal9

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

If you want to be dramatic and take it as an attack on you, that's your prerogative. Wasn't my attention. People arguing what the other person said just happens to be a pet peeve of mine, and I would respond the same way to anybody.

It would seem that before posting something so obvious it could be seen as condescending, one would wait until someone actually states only one President gets blamed.

LJS9502_basic

No, it's dramatic (just as using caps lock is). In no way did my post attack you personally. Like I said, I would have replied the same way to anybody that made a similar kind of comment because I find it annoying in general, not just when you do it.

What post above are you speaking about?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Why do we need weed again? Anyone?surrealnumber5

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

I'd add food and maybe a few other things, but yeah, this is what I was getting at. The "need" argument is terrible.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

If you want to be dramatic and take it as an attack on you, that's your prerogative. Wasn't my attention. People arguing what the other person said just happens to be a pet peeve of mine, and I would respond the same way to anybody.

It would seem that before posting something so obvious it could be seen as condescending, one would wait until someone actually states only one President gets blamed.

GreySeal9

No, it's dramatic (just as using caps lock is). In no way did my post attack you personally. Like I said, I would have replied the same way to anybody that made a similar kind of comment because I find it annoying in general, not just when you do it.

What post above are you speaking about?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Why do we need weed again? Anyone?surrealnumber5

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

GreySeal9

I'd add food and maybe a few other things, but yeah, this is what I was getting at. The "need" argument is terrible.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh it's not dramatic. It's experience. I made a rather innocous comment to a user and you jumped in with your assumptions. This post of yours above is also an assumption as to what I meant. YOU DON'T KNOW.

LJS9502_basic

No, it's dramatic (just as using caps lock is). In no way did my post attack you personally. Like I said, I would have replied the same way to anybody that made a similar kind of comment because I find it annoying in general, not just when you do it.

What post above are you speaking about?

I don't see why it matters that it isn't the first time as I have responded to other people who have done the same thing in much the same way, so you really shouldn't take it personally.

Of course the topic is not about you, but any post you make is fair game. Again, it's not personal.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

No, it's dramatic (just as using caps lock is). In no way did my post attack you personally. Like I said, I would have replied the same way to anybody that made a similar kind of comment because I find it annoying in general, not just when you do it.

What post above are you speaking about?

GreySeal9

I don't see why it matters that it isn't the first time as I have responded to other people who have done the same thing in much the same way, so you really shouldn't take it personally.

Of course the topic is not about you, but any post you make is fair game. Again, it's not personal.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] or TV, radio, gyms, hats, slimjims, guns, pets, or anything else specific other than air.

surrealnumber5

I'd add food and maybe a few other things, but yeah, this is what I was getting at. The "need" argument is terrible.

Yeah, I was just talking about the food one needs to survive. I agree with you on slim jims (and I imagine those things are not very good for you).

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This isn't the first time. One doesn't have to personally attack a user to be attacking the user. Anyway...this topic is not about me so that should be the end of that line. The topic is Obama and medical marijuana shops in California.LJS9502_basic

I don't see why it matters that it isn't the first time as I have responded to other people who have done the same thing in much the same way, so you really shouldn't take it personally.

Of course the topic is not about you, but any post you make is fair game. Again, it's not personal.

I've been discussing the topic as well.

Also, you've gone off topic before (as have most people in OT; and you've gone off topic in this thead as well), so I'm afraid lecturing me on that doesn't really carry much weight.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

lamprey263

Time for the Supreme Court to get involved with state rights and federal law. Oregon is also another state that has a medical marijuana law which was voted by the people. Being a democracy, the people have decided its ok to have such of thing in our society.

It would be better if the federal govt would put a reverse on marijuana ban all together, that would save billions and then the feds would make billions on taxes.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't see why it matters that it isn't the first time as I have responded to other people who have done the same thing in much the same way, so you really shouldn't take it personally.

Of course the topic is not about you, but any post you make is fair game. Again, it's not personal.

GreySeal9

I've been discussing the topic as well.

Also, you've gone off topic before (as have most people in OT; and you've gone off topic in this thead as well), so I'm afraid lecturing me on that doesn't really carry much weight.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do we need videogames again? Anyone?

lamprey263

I really have yet to hear any even slightly pragmatic argument in favor of the laws. It just seems that people continue to support the anti-weed laws due to stubborness. I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like.