Obama? Really?

The reasons people have to vote for this man seem to be that he speaks of hope and change, he's young, and he's a good speaker. To me, these are not good enough reasons to elect someone President. He's accomplished nothing in the Senate, he has no leadership experience, and he hasn't gone into detail about how he would bring this change that he keeps speaking of.

Aside from these things, there are other things that make me very uneasy about him being elected. I have no problem with a black President, although he has made his race an issue.

Here are some quotes from one of his books:

From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

If these quotes had been made by a white candidate, and the racial roles in the quotes were reversed, they would have been ripped to pieces and labeled a racist. This cannot be denied. The book seems to be about him denying the known maternal heritage (white) and embrace the heritage of his father (black) who had abandoned him.

Also, his Pastor repeatedly, literally cursed America spouting "G D America!! G D America!!" Obama responded by saying that he could no more disown his Pastor than his white Grandmother, which is just idiocy. You can select Pastors, you cannot select Grandmothers.

Also, his wife spoke recently saying that for the first time in her life, she's proud to be an American. She's 40 something. So she's never been proud in her entire life until now?

As for his recent statement that rural Americans cling to religion and guns because they're bitter towards people with more money, it's ignorance. I'm in the lower economic bracket and I understand that I could have finished college if I had put forth the effort. I'm responsible for my economic situation just like people with more money than I worked for their money. I will not be pandered to.

Lastly, Obama was indeed a practicing Muslim. He went to a Catholic school where non Catholic children were also accepted. this is fact. Everything I have typed is fact. Take the time and research.

Once more, are there any good reasons to vote for this person? I see plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Responses such as "He's better than Bush" are irrelevant because we're talking about electing our NEXT leader.

Responses such as "Well he'll be better than Hilary and McCain won't be accepted because, 1. you don't have to vote at all, and 2. we're talking about reasons to vote for Obama and reasons not to.

The reasons people have to vote for this man seem to be that he speaks of hope and change, he's young, and he's a good speaker. To me, these are not good enough reasons to elect someone President. He's accomplished nothing in the Senate, he has no leadership experience, and he hasn't gone into detail about how he would bring this change that he keeps speaking of.

Aside from these things, there are other things that make me very uneasy about him being elected. I have no problem with a black President, although he has made his race an issue.

Here are some quotes from one of his books:

From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

If these quotes had been made by a white candidate, and the racial roles in the quotes were reversed, they would have been ripped to pieces and labeled a racist. This cannot be denied. The book seems to be about him denying the known maternal heritage (white) and embrace the heritage of his father (black) who had abandoned him.

Also, his Pastor repeatedly, literally cursed America spouting "G D America!! G D America!!" Obama responded by saying that he could no more disown his Pastor than his white Grandmother, which is just idiocy. You can select Pastors, you cannot select Grandmothers.

Also, his wife spoke recently saying that for the first time in her life, she's proud to be an American. She's 40 something. So she's never been proud in her entire life until now?

As for his recent statement that rural Americans cling to religion and guns because they're bitter towards people with more money, it's ignorance. I'm in the lower economic bracket and I understand that I could have finished college if I had put forth the effort. I'm responsible for my economic situation just like people with more money than I worked for their money. I will not be pandered to.

Lastly, Obama was indeed a practicing Muslim. He went to a Catholic school where non Catholic children were also accepted. this is fact. Everything I have typed is fact. Take the time and research.

Once more, are there any good reasons to vote for this person? I see plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Responses such as "He's better than Bush" are irrelevant because we're talking about electing our NEXT leader.

Responses such as "Well he'll be better than Hilary and McCain won't be accepted because, 1. you don't have to vote at all, and 2. we're talking about reasons to vote for Obama and reasons not to.

Trashface

usually, he youth vote is naive. The liberal media wanted either him or hillary to win it. Obama has better speeches

It's my opinion that Obama is racist. I'm not voting for him.LJS9502_basic

I think he is overrated, but he also gets alot of undeserved flak. Both him and Hillary are competent Senators, I support Obama just because he hasn't pissed as many people off as Hillary has, he'd have an easier time working with Congress.

But honestly they're both good.

I'm not claiming this post is a chain email; however, it certianly looks like something you'de find in a chain email.

Fact: The best US presidents in the history of the country have had little-to-no previous political experience. It's not required, and I don't think being in Washington for a long time is really a plus.

Fact: One of the best presidents in US history, Woodrow Wilson was educated in international relations, and used his IR education to the country's advantage during his presidency (See: Wilson's 14 points). Obama has a political science degree in International Relations, and if you are looking to see how an Obama presidency will be, I think you would only have to look as far as Woodrow Wilson.

The United States as a whole has been quickly going down the tubes since the Vietnam War. I think anything would be better than the same political hacks and ideas we have now. Our economic numbers, especially in recent years (from the early 80's - today) have primarily been fudged, and the country is drowning in it's own economic ideals. I'm willing to try something new. After all, it's a law of science that if you should try the same thing over and over and expect to get different results.

AmyMizuno

I agree, I think Obama's background not only in IR but his background in a LIFE different than the other two candidates will make him a great leader.

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

Having watched this run up to the 2008 Presidental election from outside the United States, I have to question the approach and rational of the entire Democratic Party.

It seems very unlikely that Hilary will win, but unlike Huckabee hanging around with the GOP she has a lot of supporters that are on the more moderate "center" of the political spectrum, and with every day it seems to be that much harder for a die hard Hilary supporter to vote for Obama if he wins,

Since her core is a little more Conservative then his, I could see some of it melting away to McCain.

Then to make matters worse, Ohio, Florida, and Michigan are the three big potental swing states, and the Democrat's have really pissed off the ground level democrats in Florida and Michigan by not letting their votes count in the Primary.

They may not get to vote for the Democratic nominee, but if they stay home in November they sure will have a say on the next President.

Obama is the only option because he can mobilize the youth vote that normally stays at home eatting Doritos on election day, while I think he is more sizzle then steak, there have seen a lot of sizzle only Presidents in American history.

how exactly was woodrow wilson a good president? he was a progressive leftist who loved socialism especially the socialism that mussolini brought to the table

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20271026

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

Dracargen

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Obama = CFR

Hilary = CFR and Bilderberg

McCain = CFR

If you don't know what the council on foreign relations is and what their work is designed towards then you only know the public side of politics. There are no good candidates this year, they're all puppets this time around. Look into it. CFR Wants a one world government. I think Hilary will win this election either way because she was at their last meeting, same as Dubya was.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

allnamestaken

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

lets face it, you're trying to demonize him for not liking a certain democrat.

[QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

H8sMikeMoore

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

lets face it, you're trying to demonize him for not liking a certain democrat.

nope, I have been around the forums for awhile and this guy is a tried and true right winger, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just the way it is.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

allnamestaken

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Political parties have little to do with it; yes, I am more likely to go with a Republican, but if the Republican is the greater of the two evils then I'll vote Democrat, or not vote at all.

how exactly was woodrow wilson a good president? he was a progressive leftist who loved socialism especially the socialism that mussolini brought to the table

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20271026

H8sMikeMoore

:lol: That has got to be one of the most moronic "articles" I've ever read. The only socialistic aspect of fascism and National Socialism is the strive towards a national unity.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

how exactly was woodrow wilson a good president? he was a progressive leftist who loved socialism especially the socialism that mussolini brought to the table

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20271026

AmyMizuno

PS: America's economic system has been failing for many years now. I don't think Woodrow Wilson was as leftist as you're making him sound, but perhaps he was right.

sorry for not liking someone whos a socialist. I guess im a big jerkface for hating an economic system thats killed more people than any other human event ever.

Americas system has only started to SLOW DOWN, mostly due to SOCIALISTIC approaches regarding banks and housing

[QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

Trashface

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Your post is very silly. I stated facts and posed a question. I typed nothing biased, so my own opinion is pretty irrelevant. If you can't address the issue, no need to even post.

Oh please, you flipped Obama's words worse than Fox News did.

[QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

Trashface

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Your post is very silly. I stated facts and posed a question. I typed nothing biased, so my own opinion is pretty irrelevant. If you can't address the issue, no need to even post.

Are you addressing me? Because I didn't quote you.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

how exactly was woodrow wilson a good president? he was a progressive leftist who loved socialism especially the socialism that mussolini brought to the table

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20271026

jointed

:lol: That has got to be one of the most moronic "articles" I've ever read. The only socialistic aspect of fascism and National Socialism is the strive towards a national unity.

fascism has many faces. He brings up the point that Fascism has more to do with typical socialism. But the only real difference between Nazism and typical socialism is the word National. Which can be interchangeable with the word Socialized. For example Nationalized Healthcare means the same as Socialized.

however, most fascists come from the far left. Mussolini, Hitler Stalin, Lenin

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]This country will not last another 4-8 years with a republican president. And when it comes to Democrats, Obama is the only one of the two id vote for.AmyMizuno

Isn't it funny that the Republicans, who claim to be the most patriotic tend to do the country the most harm?

completely unfounded opinion. Republicans tend to do economic AND social good. Do you even know what a republican means? I suggest doing a simple english look up on wikipedia. More government = more bs

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

AmyMizuno

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Political parties have little to do with it; yes, I am more likely to go with a Republican, but if the Republican is the greater of the two evils then I'll vote Democrat, or not vote at all.

You've just summed up almost every American Election ever made.:|

That's why I said "Or I won't vote at all."

This is my first year voting (ever), and already I'm sick of this politics crap. -_-

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

allnamestaken

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Your post is very silly. I stated facts and posed a question. I typed nothing biased, so my own opinion is pretty irrelevant. If you can't address the issue, no need to even post.

Are you addressing me? Because I didn't quote you.

Yeah I tried to delete it when I saw who you quoted. Sorry

The fact that he sat in church while his Pastor repeatedly spewed hate speech about the country he wants to run is scary to me. Trashface

*sigh*

At least people stopped calling him a closet Muslim after that fiasco. :roll:

It's my opinion that Obama is racist. I'm not voting for him.LJS9502_basic

Agreed. Facts and common sense FTW.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Ever since Obama stated that anyone who is against illegal immigration is a hypocrite, I have hated him.

Now he's been revealed to have extremely questionable peers, and then this whole attack on people living in rural states.

It baffels me how people can still believe his lies of "hope and change", when it's obvious that this "hope and change", if it comes about at all, will be intended for rich people with Obama's policies, while everyone else is left to suffer.

tbone29

lets face it, you were never voting democrat in the first place.

Your post is very silly. I stated facts and posed a question. I typed nothing biased, so my own opinion is pretty irrelevant. If you can't address the issue, no need to even post.

Oh please, you flipped Obama's words worse than Fox News did.

I flipped no words. Those were direct quotes. I typed nothing biased. Nice try, though.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]This country will not last another 4-8 years with a republican president. And when it comes to Democrats, Obama is the only one of the two id vote for.H8sMikeMoore

Isn't it funny that the Republicans, who claim to be the most patriotic tend to do the country the most harm?

completely unfounded opinion. Republicans tend to do economic good. Do you even know what a republican means? I suggest doing a simple english look up on wikipedia.

H8s, are you serious? So what if traditional Republican's do the economy good? What does that have to do with ANYTHING? In the here and now, George W. Bush, a neo-con, not a conservative, a neo-con, is president of the USA and the economy is in a recession, the national debt is in the trillions money has to be borrowed from CHINA, energy prices are skyrocketing and the middle class is being squeezed to death. Now tell me that this administration is fiscally responsible or is doing ANY good for the economy or traditional republican ideals for that matter?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

how exactly was woodrow wilson a good president? he was a progressive leftist who loved socialism especially the socialism that mussolini brought to the table

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20271026

AmyMizuno

PS: America's economic system has been failing for many years now. I don't think Woodrow Wilson was as leftist as you're making him sound, but perhaps he was right.

sorry for not liking someone whos a socialist. I guess im a big jerkface for hating an economic system thats killed more people than any other human event ever.

Americas system has only started to SLOW DOWN, mostly due to SOCIALISTIC approaches regarding banks and housing

The banks are playing a game of 'Heads, I win; Tails, you lose" with the American people. Neoconservativism is hardly capitalism. It is socialism for the wealthy and capitalism for the poor. As a result, I don't buy your neoconservative propoganda.

exactly, and you're getting into a much deeper issue:government regulation and how it destroys competition which would otherwise eliminate bad business including banks. The government subsidized a bank that would have been put out of business because of giving risky loans that they shouldnt have. A free market is good for consumers as it gets rid of the bad. Actually the internet works the same way but nobody has a problem with this for some reason

I am not a neoconservative. Why on earth would you assume I am? I clearly present libertarian view points.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

how exactly was woodrow wilson a good president? he was a progressive leftist who loved socialism especially the socialism that mussolini brought to the table

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20271026

H8sMikeMoore

:lol: That has got to be one of the most moronic "articles" I've ever read. The only socialistic aspect of fascism and National Socialism is the strive towards a national unity.

fascism has many faces. He brings up the point that Fascism has more to do with typical socialism. But the only real difference between Nazism and typical socialism is the word National. Which can be interchangeable with the word Socialized. For example Nationalized Healthcare means the same as Socialized.

however, most fascists come from the far left. Mussolini, Hitler Stalin, Lenin

You do know that Fascism/Nazism and Socialism are two COMPLETELY different ideologies, right? Everyone who has studied basic sociology knows this. The two ideologies' fundamental values are in direct conflict with each other.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]This country will not last another 4-8 years with a republican president. And when it comes to Democrats, Obama is the only one of the two id vote for.AmyMizuno

Isn't it funny that the Republicans, who claim to be the most patriotic tend to do the country the most harm?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]This country will not last another 4-8 years with a republican president. And when it comes to Democrats, Obama is the only one of the two id vote for.AmyMizuno

Isn't it funny that the Republicans, who claim to be the most patriotic tend to do the country the most harm?

completely unfounded opinion. Republicans tend to do economic AND social good. Do you even know what a republican means? I suggest doing a simple english look up on wikipedia. More government = more bs

More government? The Republicans have expanded the government as well as the federal deficit more than the Democrats. Historically, the Democrats have been the more fiscally responsible of the two parties. Just look at the balooning US Debt. Look at the declining economy and the increasing inflation. If your neoconservative dogma is so wonderful, how come our economy is in peril?

we just typed literally the same thing lols.

You are wrong about him not accomplishing anything in the Senate.Engrish_Major

No. He's not wrong.