Obama? Really?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]judging 20 years of preching based on 3 minutes of footage edit courtesy of fox news. Thats not like you...
Dracargen

I didn't link to Fox News.:|

The fact that Obama was shouting "amen!" to the pastor for twenty years is cause for even more worry.

and why is that a cause for worry? Again, you are judging 20 years of preaching on the media coverage of two or three sermons.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]Obama WAS a practicing Muslim. One of his ****ates stated this. A childhood ****ate. You're plainly wrong. I thought it was a rumour until I heard a factual report. The comment that I stated was ignorant was the one that rural people clinged to religion and guns out of bitterness. This is total ignorance. I live in a rural area, so he was claiming to know my feelings. If anyone knows it was ignorant nonsense, it was me. The Catholic school he went to accepted non Catholic students. These are all fact. What does it matter if he was a Muslim? Seeing as how some fanatical Muslims are calling for the destruction of our country, I'd say it was a big deal.LostProphetFLCL

How is it ignorance? Are you going to sit there and tell me people don't cling to such things when desparate?

They were just examples he threw out and he wasn't even condemning those actions, Jesus Christ...

It's ignorance because he doesn't lnow what he was talking about. I'm one of the people he was talking about and can honestly say, he was wrong.

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

The worry is that it's possible he still harbors those beliefs. The fact he never denounced his Pastor's views makes it more unsettling. I never stated that he still harbored it, but that it's a possibility. That's fact., so there is no argument against it.

Trashface

Or maybe he doesn't disregard the Pastor for fear of alienating black voters. There were no attacks. I just typed facts. People can think of them what they will. I never stated what he was or wasn't so there was no need to present any evidence.I made no claims. You cannot deny that it's a possibility without claiming to be able to look into someone's mind and heart. You seem completely sure that it's not the case while I only state that it's a possibility. I never presented the FACTS I typed as evidence. What I listed was, however, enough to make me uneasy. Once again, what are you arguing with? I only stated that it's possible. That's still fact.

Obama WAS a practicing Muslim. One of his cla$$mates stated this. A childhood cla$$mate. You're plainly wrong. I thought it was a rumour until I heard a factual report. The comment that I stated was ignorant was the one that rural people clinged to religion and guns out of bitterness. This is total ignorance. I live in a rural area, so he was claiming to know my feelings. If anyone knows it was ignorant nonsense, it was me. The Catholic school he went to accepted non Catholic students. These are all fact. What does it matter if he was a Muslim? Seeing as how some fanatical Muslims are calling for the destruction of our country, I'd say it was a big deal.

Obama WAS a practicing Muslim. One of his ****ates stated this. A childhood ****ate. You're plainly wrong. I thought it was a rumour until I heard a factual report. The comment that I stated was ignorant was the one that rural people clinged to religion and guns out of bitterness. This is total ignorance. I live in a rural area, so he was claiming to know my feelings. If anyone knows it was ignorant nonsense, it was me. The Catholic school he went to accepted non Catholic students. These are all fact. What does it matter if he was a Muslim? Seeing as how some fanatical Muslims are calling for the destruction of our country, I'd say it was a big deal.

Trashface

Obama is a jerk who just thinks he can change black people history. No offense, but I think Barack Obama is a pushover. People I know say, "constipated overrated freestyle loser." That's exactly what Obama is.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]Obama WAS a practicing Muslim. One of his ****ates stated this. A childhood ****ate. You're plainly wrong. I thought it was a rumour until I heard a factual report. The comment that I stated was ignorant was the one that rural people clinged to religion and guns out of bitterness. This is total ignorance. I live in a rural area, so he was claiming to know my feelings. If anyone knows it was ignorant nonsense, it was me. The Catholic school he went to accepted non Catholic students. These are all fact. What does it matter if he was a Muslim? Seeing as how some fanatical Muslims are calling for the destruction of our country, I'd say it was a big deal.Trashface

How is it ignorance? Are you going to sit there and tell me people don't cling to such things when desparate?

They were just examples he threw out and he wasn't even condemning those actions, Jesus Christ...

It's ignorance because he doesn't lnow what he was talking about. I'm one of the people he was talking about and can honestly say, he was wrong.

As mentioned it isn't ignorance at all because those were just meant as examples and what people clinged to isn't even the important point but rather the fact that people there are in a bad situation to the point where they feel the need to cling to what gives them hope.

He could say it here in Michigan and I would have no trouble with it because it is TRUE. Perhaps you aren't clinging to those things, but if you are one of those people who is in a tough situation I gaurantee you cling to something to help calm you down and give you hope/a way to express your frustration. My thing personally is music and game and also here for some random ranting and such.

The only people taking issue with that statement are those who don't even understand his point or are just blind Hillary supporters....

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

I never stated it wasn't possible. The guy who I was responding to was actingas if he was sure it wasn't the case. I was simply making the point that he couldn't be sure. I'm glad you agree with me.

Mr_sprinkles

It's possible that McCain is a closet scientologist.

It's possible that Hillary secretly longs to know the taste of human flesh.

Possible means very little, as you can never really know what goes on inside somebodys head.

The Pastor issue and racial statements are reason for at least slight suspicion. There are no such bits to create any suspicion of McCain being a scientologist or for Hilary liking human flesh...well maybe that one is true.

I don't support either of the democrats. Not only do I disagree with his political views, but I do get bad vibes from Obama. He seems like one of those "too good to be true" kind of deals. I like his political philosophy about not fighting and arguing and finding compramise (the very thing our country was founded on). However, I get this feeling that he will be elected and pull a 180 and change completely.

But it's okay because he and Hillary are going to destroy each other long before McCain ever needs to step in.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]judging 20 years of preching based on 3 minutes of footage edit courtesy of fox news. Thats not like you...
Dracargen

I didn't link to Fox News.:|

The fact that Obama was shouting "amen!" to the pastor for twenty years is cause for even more worry.

Quotes out of context are awesome.

Mr_sprinkles

Word to that.

It's my opinion that Obama is racist. I'm not voting for him.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's my opinion that Obama is racist. I'm not voting for him.M-e-t-h-o-d-206

You don't like him for his opinion?

Having watched this run up to the 2008 Presidental election from outside the United States, I have to question the approach and rational of the entire Democratic Party.

It seems very unlikely that Hilary will win, but unlike Huckabee hanging around with the GOP she has a lot of supporters that are on the more moderate "center" of the political spectrum, and with every day it seems to be that much harder for a die hard Hilary supporter to vote for Obama if he wins,

Since her core is a little more Conservative then his, I could see some of it melting away to McCain.

Then to make matters worse, Ohio, Florida, and Michigan are the three big potental swing states, and the Democrat's have really pissed off the ground level democrats in Florida and Michigan by not letting their votes count in the Primary.

They may not get to vote for the Democratic nominee, but if they stay home in November they sure will have a say on the next President.

Obama is the only option because he can mobilize the youth vote that normally stays at home eatting Doritos on election day, while I think he is more sizzle then steak, there have seen a lot of sizzle only Presidents in American history.

cosmostein77

No one can motivate the youth vote. If I were a politician I wouldn't waste my time on the youth vote, and I'm a youth! Last election MTV and Kerry had the youth vote coming out in droves to register to vote and the media predicted a big youth turn out... WRONG! They stayed home and ate Doritos on election day.

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

Trashface

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

LostProphetFLCL

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

Trashface

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

The worry is that it's possible he still harbors those beliefs. The fact he never denounced his Pastor's views makes it more unsettling. I never stated that he still harbored it, but that it's a possibility. That's fact., so there is no argument against it.

bman784

Though Obama explicitly stated that "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group" during the Don Imus fiasco, where he immediately and publicly denounced Imus and his racism.

Apparently his pastor is the exception.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

LostProphetFLCL

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

The worry is that it's possible he still harbors those beliefs. The fact he never denounced his Pastor's views makes it more unsettling. I never stated that he still harbored it, but that it's a possibility. That's fact., so there is no argument against it.

peaceful_anger

Though Obama explicitly stated that "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group" during the Don Imus fiasco, where he immediately and publicly denounced Imus and his racism.

Apparently his pastor is the exception.

It means he has a double standard and it would lead one to think that he agrees with the Pastor's hate mongering.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

Trashface

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

LostProphetFLCL

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

actually I found you to be the childish one. you offer no counter to his arguements. Also it doens't matter what he lied about about, the fact that he lied infront of the nation IS a big deal. Remember Clinton? I'm pretty sure 99% of men would lie if they got caught cheating, but does it matter back then? no.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

quocthai

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

actually I found you to be the childish one. you offer no counter to his arguements. Also it doens't matter what he lied about about, the fact that he lied infront of the nation IS a big deal. Remember Clinton? I'm pretty sure 99% of men would lie if they got caught cheating, but does it matter back then? no.

I am sorry but the guy is so incredibly ignorant that it is like talking to a wall. I mean seriously did you not notice his comments on Islam and what he is suggesting the religion is?

I offered plenty of counter arguements and he failed to make any real good arguements anyways.

I will answer one question: Stigma is indeed reason to lie to the nation.

If it was about a policy or something involving the government itself, then lying is a HUGE problem. But come on the stupid little things the dumb general public pick on presidents for is ridiculous and IF (Big if there because as mentioned there is no good evidenence saying he is muslim) he came out as being a muslim it would instantly lose him the election with all the racism/discrimination we have here especially when it comes to that religion. Not exactly the smartest move, is it?

Besides his whole arguement is ludicrous to begin with. He is trying to say Obama is muslim based on reports of him attending a few services here and there while attending a muslim school and living with his muslim father. This apparently makes him Muslim in spite of Obama's 20 years of going to a CHRISTIAN church, mind you it has been the past 20 years, unlike his Muslim school experience which occured when he was a child (and no kids do not deserve to be called any certain religion because they are TOO YOUNG to honestly make such a big decision).

Really, it is probably THE MOST obsurd and downright DUMB arguement I have ever heard, because even the outcome of the arguement itself is unimportant.

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

Trashface

I have a few points to make on this.

A. I am a person of the muslim faith and have never done any of those things you have mentioned above, nor have I ever met anyone that has.

B. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, the second largest religion in the world and quickly becoming the largest. If people in Islamic faith believed in and were doing that than we would all be in trouble.

C. Islam is a very peaceful religion, ever heard of the crusades? The christians came and killed everyone, when muslims reconquered the land they fought only those who fought them and let the women and children leave. In the Quran it says only to fight if your faith is in danger or if you yourself is in danger.

D. I have been to muslim countries and never seen any of the things you mentioned above.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

shaji84

I have a few points to make on this.

A. I am a person of the muslim faith and have never done any of those things you have mentioned above, nor have I ever met anyone that has.

B. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, the second largest religion in the world and quickly becoming the largest. If people in Islamic faith believed in and were doing that than we would all be in trouble.

C. Islam is a very peaceful religion, ever heard of the crusades? The christians came and killed everyone, when muslims reconquered the land they fought only those who fought them and let the women and children leave. In the Quran it says only to fight if your faith is in danger or if you yourself is in danger.

D. I have been to muslim countries and never seen any of the things you mentioned above.

yep and its pretty sad that a minority of ppl have put those thoughts and "beliefs" into a great number of ppl and even worse that someone would blanket all muslims as being ones who kill ppl mindlessly....shame indeed....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's my opinion that Obama is racist. I'm not voting for him.M-e-t-h-o-d-206

Check out his pastor and his own writings.

Oh..and I really don't care that you don't like me. In fact, it makes me happy.:)

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

LostProphetFLCL

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

You can name call like a child all you want, it doesn't make anything you said fact. The fact that he's hiding his past may not bother you, but given your demeanor, reason isn't your strong point.

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And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

Trashface

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

You can name call like a child all you want, it doesn't make anything you said fact. The fact that he's hiding his past may not bother you, but given your demeanor, reason isn't your strong point.

And please tell me how he is hiding his past?

You seem to be the one with a bias, trying to assume Obama is hiding his religious beliefs in spite of 20 years of attending a Christian Church.

And yes I will name call if I want. You are obviously beyond help at this point, so I mine as well just let you know how wrong you are in the meanest way possible. Helps let off steam that way.

Oh and reason is actually one of my strongest points BTW. You might want to check yourself making such a comment when you're the one trying to claim a man is Muslim despite having gone to a Christian Church for the past 20 years....

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And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

LostProphetFLCL

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

actually I found you to be the childish one. you offer no counter to his arguements. Also it doens't matter what he lied about about, the fact that he lied infront of the nation IS a big deal. Remember Clinton? I'm pretty sure 99% of men would lie if they got caught cheating, but does it matter back then? no.

I am sorry but the guy is so incredibly ignorant that it is like talking to a wall. I mean seriously did you not notice his comments on Islam and what he is suggesting the religion is?

I offered plenty of counter arguements and he failed to make any real good arguements anyways.

I will answer one question: Stigma is indeed reason to lie to the nation.

If it was about a policy or something involving the government itself, then lying is a HUGE problem. But come on the stupid little things the dumb general public pick on presidents for is ridiculous and IF (Big if there because as mentioned there is no good evidenence saying he is muslim) he came out as being a muslim it would instantly lose him the election with all the racism/discrimination we have here especially when it comes to that religion. Not exactly the smartest move, is it?

Besides his whole arguement is ludicrous to begin with. He is trying to say Obama is muslim based on reports of him attending a few services here and there while attending a muslim school and living with his muslim father. This apparently makes him Muslim in spite of Obama's 20 years of going to a CHRISTIAN church, mind you it has been the past 20 years, unlike his Muslim school experience which occured when he was a child (and no kids do not deserve to be called any certain religion because they are TOO YOUNG to honestly make such a big decision).

Really, it is probably THE MOST obsurd and downright DUMB arguement I have ever heard, because even the outcome of the arguement itself is unimportant.

I never stated that he is currntly a Muslim. You should either read more slowly or learn to read better. I stated he WAS and is now lying about it. This mixed with the hate speech of his pastor and the fact that he claims to not agree with what his Pastor has said even though he has him on a comitee gives plenty of reason to worry about his ideals. How is it that you have supposedly shot down my arguments when you don't even seem to understand what the arguments are about. It's sad that you don't care one bit about the dishonesty and double standards. I hope people like you aren't the majority.

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So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

XturnalS

I have a few points to make on this.

A. I am a person of the muslim faith and have never done any of those things you have mentioned above, nor have I ever met anyone that has.

B. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, the second largest religion in the world and quickly becoming the largest. If people in Islamic faith believed in and were doing that than we would all be in trouble.

C. Islam is a very peaceful religion, ever heard of the crusades? The christians came and killed everyone, when muslims reconquered the land they fought only those who fought them and let the women and children leave. In the Quran it says only to fight if your faith is in danger or if you yourself is in danger.

D. I have been to muslim countries and never seen any of the things you mentioned above.

yep and its pretty sad that a minority of ppl have put those thoughts and "beliefs" into a great number of ppl and even worse that someone would blanket all muslims as being ones who kill ppl mindlessly....shame indeed....

Do you really not understand that EXTREMIST Muslims are the largest threat to security right now? Sure not all are dangerous, but any person with common senseshould be very leary about putting a Muslim in charge of the country that is so hated by groups within that religion. To me, this is common sense.

Here guys, let's discuss some policy issues how about?

http://www.2decide.com/table.htm

Their's a graph showing the candidates position on various issues. I'm for Obama because I like his healthcare and energy policies as well as his position on Iraq, how about chu.'

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

LostProphetFLCL

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

You can name call like a child all you want, it doesn't make anything you said fact. The fact that he's hiding his past may not bother you, but given your demeanor, reason isn't your strong point.

And please tell me how he is hiding his past?

You seem to be the one with a bias, trying to assume Obama is hiding his religious beliefs in spite of 20 years of attending a Christian Church.

And yes I will name call if I want. You are obviously beyond help at this point, so I mine as well just let you know how wrong you are in the meanest way possible. Helps let off steam that way.

Oh and reason is actually one of my strongest points BTW. You might want to check yourself making such a comment when you're the one trying to claim a man is Muslim despite having gone to a Christian Church for the past 20 years....

Um him denying that he was ever a Muslim and his camp denying he ever recited out of the Quran are how he is hiding his past. Once again, I didn't say he was currently one. You don't even understand what this is about, yet I'm beyond help? You can try to condescend all you want. You say I'm beyond help, yet you're the one so clearly enamored with the candidate past the point of logic.There is no misgiving by him that would change your mind. You can name call and try to condescend all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're clueless.

have you guys ever watched that showtime show called sleeper cell pretty good show, gives you a glipse at the muslim religion. There are good muslims and bad, just like in everything else there is good and bad. So i don't really think religion is much of a issue, but purhaps his charactor. As someone has stated there is potential that he is covering up his past. On the other hand clinton is covering up the future and brushing off the past. Really, none of the canadates seem honest, and i don't think there have ever been very many honest presedents. Its kind of the nature of the job, you hide the bad things you've done, and say what you gotta say to get the job...thats all that matters to these folks....except for one person....

Ron paul, ive never heard anything bad about that canadate. There are some things that i might disagree with on him, but over all he is the best canadate and wants to work for the people...yet he is the only canadate that gets almost zero media attention...makes you wonder.

Here guys, let's discuss some policy issues how about?

Their's a graph showing the candidates position on various issues. I'm for Obama because I like his healthcare and energy policies as well as his position on Iraq, how about chu.'

allnamestaken

His healthcare is expensive. His policy on Iraq ia naive. Energy is the new buzzword. You have to use the new buzzwords.

I've never met a political liberal who knows more about politics than I do, and I'm not a liberal. I'm selectively narrow minded because I've been taught my whole life to be accept everysingle person on the earth as an equal. Well, now that I'm older, that sounds a bit like communism. "everyone is equal." Well, all you need to do is go take alittle drive to figure out that not everyone is equal. People have different cars, of different expenses, and different attitudes. Some are pricks, some are not. And so on and so forth.

Anyway, Obama freaks me out every time he opens his mouth. All that talk about pension programs and social security benefits and socialized healthcare just scares me. I've been studying accounting for 3 years now, and I can tell you that there's no way out of the social security problem. The only reasonable solution is to shut it down. Our generation is going to end up paying for our parent's retirement, and we will get nothing from social security because its going to be bankrupt when we're our parents' age.

Don't listen to the democrats, save your money. Invest wisely. It's all your going to have when you're older.

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And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

Trashface

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

You can name call like a child all you want, it doesn't make anything you said fact. The fact that he's hiding his past may not bother you, but given your demeanor, reason isn't your strong point.

And please tell me how he is hiding his past?

You seem to be the one with a bias, trying to assume Obama is hiding his religious beliefs in spite of 20 years of attending a Christian Church.

And yes I will name call if I want. You are obviously beyond help at this point, so I mine as well just let you know how wrong you are in the meanest way possible. Helps let off steam that way.

Oh and reason is actually one of my strongest points BTW. You might want to check yourself making such a comment when you're the one trying to claim a man is Muslim despite having gone to a Christian Church for the past 20 years....

Um him denying that he was ever a Muslim and his camp denying he ever recited out of the Quran are how he is hiding his past. Once again, I didn't say he was currently one. You don't even understand what this is about, yet I'm beyond help? You can try to condescend all you want. You say I'm beyond help, yet you're the one so clearly enamored with the candidate past the point of logic.There is no misgiving by him that would change your mind. You can name call and try to condescend all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're clueless.

He probably denied it because people like you would go all crazy about it. There is nothing in the Quran that tells muslims to bomb and or hate Americans. That's the work of extremists. That's like saying all christians are hardcore communists or hardcore fascists. you're generalizing.

I never stated that he is currntly a Muslim. You should either read more slowly or learn to read better. I stated he WAS and is now lying about it. This mixed with the hate speech of his pastor and the fact that he claims to not agree with what his Pastor has said even though he has him on a comitee gives plenty of reason to worry about his ideals. How is it that you have supposedly shot down my arguments when you don't even seem to understand what the arguments are about. It's sad that you don't care one bit about the dishonesty and double standards. I hope people like you aren't the majority.

Trashface

And I already went over how wrong it is to call him previously a Muslim.

Do you have any real points to make?

And you know what, if everyone wants to keep bringing up Obamas pastor lets bring to light some Mccain has been associated with:

Everyone, meet Pat Robertson

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Here guys, let's discuss some policy issues how about?

Their's a graph showing the candidates position on various issues. I'm for Obama because I like his healthcare and energy policies as well as his position on Iraq, how about chu.'

LJS9502_basic

His healthcare is expensive. His policy on Iraq ia naive. Energy is the new buzzword. You have to use the new buzzwords.

When you say buzzword do you mean issue many American's care about? Sure health care is expensive, but so is the war in Iraq.

When you say buzzword do you mean issue many American's care about? Sure health care is expensive, but so is the war in Iraq.

allnamestaken

No...I mean the "in" word to use to generate votes. For the record...it's not government's job to parent citizens. It't to protect the borders. Too much social government. I dont' work to support anyone but my family and I'm getting tired of being asked to pay out more. No thanks....

actually i believe it was the interpretation that leads people to extreme acts of violence. I don't think it actually says to hate americans, but you got to ask yourself who "wouldn't" hate us.machiavell8x8

Um him denying that he was ever a Muslim and his camp denying he ever recited out of the Quran are how he is hiding his past. Once again, I didn't say he was currently one. You don't even understand what this is about, yet I'm beyond help? You can try to condescend all you want. You say I'm beyond help, yet you're the one so clearly enamored with the candidate past the point of logic.There is no misgiving by him that would change your mind. You can name call and try to condescend all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're clueless.

Trashface

And here you go again. You once again make the claim that he was infact Muslim. I still need proof because as I mentioned before there is so much wrong with trying to claim his childhood experience as making him Muslim it isn't even funny.

I am not the one who is clueless. You have completely ignored the points I have made and have once again made the same lame claim that I shot down earlier. Really read the posts and actually listen to what I say because I have been going through and continuously showing what is wrong with all the different parts of your statements.

I would also like to finish this post ONCE AGAIN reminding how unimportant his religious affiliation is anyways.

[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"]actually i believe it was the interpretation that leads people to extreme acts of violence. I don't think it actually says to hate americans, but you got to ask yourself who "wouldn't" hate us.LJS9502_basic

And there in lies the problem. These terrorists aren't exactly enlightened or educated people and are desparate to cling to something based on all the problems occuring in the region they live in....

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And I do want to make it clear. HE WAS A MUSLIM. This is fact. If that fact is not significant, why is he LYING and denying it?

Read this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

allnamestaken

LMAO oh I guess that makes me Catholic for attending my parents catholic Church for my little sisters baptism and Easter:lol:

Good God going to a church every so often does NOT make you religious. Have you had to deal with being raised by a religious family when you are not religious? I did, and I went along even though it meant nothing to me. Parents will put you through hell if you don't go.....

It is not at all a fact. Kids say the national anthm at school, I guess that makes them all Christian!:lol:

The ignorance in this is amazing, and how pathetic is it that people feel the need to try and make this point when IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT RELIGION HE IS BUT WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE!!! More people need to try that approach sometime....

Oh and I guess his going to a Christian church for the last 20 years means absolutely nothing:lol:

Sigh. He was enrolled as an actual Muslim at the school. Herecited from the Quran in Arabic. He now denies that he was a Muslim and his camp denies that he recited from the Quran. He is being dishonest. You have your mind made up about him. No truth will sway you. Just don't try to project your blindness on others.

I am the one ignoring the truth when it apparently means nothing to you that he has been going to a Christian church for the past 20 years:lol:

And IF there is any dishonesty going on about his past it is because of idiots like you who would take it as some important issue.

I hear people try and get on Japan because of their problems with xenophobia, but living here in the US I see such a huge problem of racism and discrimination in this suppossedly "free" and "equal" country.

There is such a bad stigma against muslims here in America it is absolutely pathetic....

So a stigma is good reason to lie to a nation? Also, you starting infantile name calling makes you less credible. It makes you look like an ill tempered child. This makes the fact that you're close minded and have your mind totally made up no matter the truth non surprising. Any group/ religion that started kidnapping journalists and beheading them, flying jets into major city buildings, and started teaching their kids how to decapitate people, and who knows how many other atrocities....any group like that would have a stigma. It's only common sense to be suspicious. Do you have any points to make or are you just going to name call like a child?

:lol: this post is filled with such an incredible level of ignorance I refuse to argue with you at this point because it is like I am talking to a mentally hadnicapped 3 year old.

I will just suggest you actually learn a thing or two about Islam and then also go look up some history on Christianity considering all our presidents have claimed to be Christian.

You can name call like a child all you want, it doesn't make anything you said fact. The fact that he's hiding his past may not bother you, but given your demeanor, reason isn't your strong point.

And please tell me how he is hiding his past?

You seem to be the one with a bias, trying to assume Obama is hiding his religious beliefs in spite of 20 years of attending a Christian Church.

And yes I will name call if I want. You are obviously beyond help at this point, so I mine as well just let you know how wrong you are in the meanest way possible. Helps let off steam that way.

Oh and reason is actually one of my strongest points BTW. You might want to check yourself making such a comment when you're the one trying to claim a man is Muslim despite having gone to a Christian Church for the past 20 years....

Um him denying that he was ever a Muslim and his camp denying he ever recited out of the Quran are how he is hiding his past. Once again, I didn't say he was currently one. You don't even understand what this is about, yet I'm beyond help? You can try to condescend all you want. You say I'm beyond help, yet you're the one so clearly enamored with the candidate past the point of logic.There is no misgiving by him that would change your mind. You can name call and try to condescend all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're clueless.

He probably denied it because people like you would go all crazy about it. There is nothing in the Quran that tells muslims to bomb and or hate Americans. That's the work of extremists. That's like saying all christians are hardcore communists or hardcore fascists. you're generalizing.

It makes me uneasy especially paired with the fact that has sat in church while his Pastor ranted and spewed hatred towards the country. I would have personally left that church after the first incident. He claims to not agree with the pastor, yet put him on a comitee. Is it not reasonable to raise eyebrows at these things especially when he denies them?

It makes me uneasy especially paired with the fact that has sat in church while his Pastor ranted and spewed hatred towards the country. I would have personally left that church after the first incident. He claims to not agree with the pastor, yet put him on a comitee. Is it not reasonable to raise eyebrows at these things especially when he denies them?

Trashface

And I am guessing you have never once in your life disagreed with any of your family and friends and would throw any of them away at the first incident of such disagreement, right?:lol:

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Um him denying that he was ever a Muslim and his camp denying he ever recited out of the Quran are how he is hiding his past. Once again, I didn't say he was currently one. You don't even understand what this is about, yet I'm beyond help? You can try to condescend all you want. You say I'm beyond help, yet you're the one so clearly enamored with the candidate past the point of logic.There is no misgiving by him that would change your mind. You can name call and try to condescend all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're clueless.

LostProphetFLCL

And here you go again. You once again make the claim that he was infact Muslim. I still need proof because as I mentioned before there is so much wrong with trying to claim his childhood experience as making him Muslim it isn't even funny.

I am not the one who is clueless. You have completely ignored the points I have made and have once again made the same lame claim that I shot down earlier. Really read the posts and actually listen to what I say because I have been going through and continuously showing what is wrong with all the different parts of your statements.

I would also like to finish this post ONCE AGAIN reminding how unimportant his religious affiliation is anyways.

Did you not read the article? The PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL said he studied the Quran at the school he attended. He was enrolled AS A MUSLIM. This means he was literally a Muslim at that time. He now lies and denies that he was ever a Muslim.

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It makes me uneasy especially paired with the fact that has sat in church while his Pastor ranted and spewed hatred towards the country. I would have personally left that church after the first incident. He claims to not agree with the pastor, yet put him on a comitee. Is it not reasonable to raise eyebrows at these things especially when he denies them?

LostProphetFLCL

And I am guessing you have never once in your life disagreed with any of your family and friends and would throw any of them away at the first incident of such disagreement, right?:lol:

You can't select family. You can select Pastors. Seriously, there is no logic that would open your eyes.

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It makes me uneasy especially paired with the fact that has sat in church while his Pastor ranted and spewed hatred towards the country. I would have personally left that church after the first incident. He claims to not agree with the pastor, yet put him on a comitee. Is it not reasonable to raise eyebrows at these things especially when he denies them?

LostProphetFLCL

And I am guessing you have never once in your life disagreed with any of your family and friends and would throw any of them away at the first incident of such disagreement, right?:lol:

As far as mentors, religious instructors, and friends go....I wouldn't stay in any of those three categories with a racist. I'd imagine one would have to agree with them to do so for 20 years. Sorry...but I don't buy that alibi. The only reason he distanced himself was for votes. Carry on...