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#101 Frexie
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As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

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#102 ferrari2001
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As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

Frexie

WOW!! you get that from his speeches?? All I learn when I listen to him is that he wants to change America. I can only guess how.

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#103 Rhazakna
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As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

Frexie

Please explain how taxing businesses that make "too much money" (windfall taxes) will help the economy. I'm very interested in knowing.

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#104 ferrari2001
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Yea I'm very scared because if a democrat wins the next election, thousands of small buisness's including my dads will go out of buisness because they cannot afford increased taxes and being forced to provide health care for workers.
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#105 Frexie
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[QUOTE="Frexie"]

As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

Rhazakna

Please explain how taxing businesses that make "too much money" (windfall taxes) will help the economy. I'm very interested in knowing.

By most means, America is a country where the rich get richer, the poor stay poor, and the middle-class falls back.

I think the businesses posting record profits by moving their businesses to foreign countries where they pay the same workers pennies on the dollar can handle the tax. Overall, I think his taxation plans for the upper-class are slightly extreme.

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#106 Thyeora
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As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

Frexie

I think the reason we haven't heard much from McCain is that he is preparing to take on whoever gets the democratic nomination. He is facing very bad odds with the populations general attitude with the GOP right now and defenitely needs the time to prepare. Besides, they are basically eating each other alive right now. If he opens his mouth too much he risks saying something that will get him bad publicity.

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#107 deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
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I'm actually surprised McCain is getting that many votes. I figured everyone would have an Obamasim all over this thread.
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#108 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Frexie"]

As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

Frexie

Please explain how taxing businesses that make "too much money" (windfall taxes) will help the economy. I'm very interested in knowing.

By most means, America is a country where the rich get richer, the poor stay poor, and the middle-class falls back.

I think the businesses posting record profits by moving their businesses to foreign countries where they pay the same workers pennies on the dollar can handle the tax. Overall, I think his taxation plans for the upper-class are slightly extreme.

yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

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#109 Rhazakna
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Frexie"]

As an Indepenent, a Obama vs. McCain battle is the dream matchup.

Right now im leaning towards Obama. McCain has the experience so to speak, but Obama is putting the issues on the forefront. Fixing the horrible Economy, the Impossible-to-Win War on Terror, the environment/energy, lifting up the low/middle-class; im not seeing that discussion from McCain and I think Obama can handle that better.

Frexie

Please explain how taxing businesses that make "too much money" (windfall taxes) will help the economy. I'm very interested in knowing.

By most means, America is a country where the rich get richer, the poor stay poor, and the middle-class falls back.

I think the businesses posting record profits by moving their businesses to foreign countries where they pay the same workers pennies on the dollar can handle the tax. Overall, I think his taxation plans for the upper-class are slightly extreme.

His taxation plans are ridiculous. But let's move on to a bigger issue. I understand that he wants to get control of the country's government out of the hands of oil companies. This makes sense, and I agree. However, the way to do this is not to increase government's size and raise taxes, but to shrink the government, and kick the lobbyists out of Washington. His policies will only compound theproblem of special interests holding way too much influence in our government.

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yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

H8sMikeMoore

Most people also don't know that the rich already pay 80% of the countries taxes.

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#111 ferrari2001
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I'm actually surprised McCain is getting that many votes. I figured everyone would have an Obamasim all over this thread.LukeAF24

yea I surprised to it seems the internetz is very liberal.. I guess if the internetz is giving McCain that many votes it may be an interesting election.

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#112 Rhazakna
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yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

H8sMikeMoore

Actually, there is some truth to that. However, most of it is caused by the buddy-buddy relationship government has with big business. Government should remain entirely seperate from industry.

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#113 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

LukeAF24

Most people also don't know that the rich already pay 80% of the countries taxes.

If people had to write a check for all the taxes they pay from income tax and other various taxes a democrat would never get into the white house. My dad since he owns a buisness pay all the taxes at the end of the year. He wrote a $12,000 on his income tax and he only makes about $60,000... (thats with the income tax taken out)

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#114 H8sMikeMoore
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yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

LukeAF24

Most people also don't know that the rich already pay 80% of the countries taxes.

lets give them more taxes, so that theres no business in this country and the poor get even poorer! yeah that will get those damned capitalists.

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#115 deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
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His taxation plans are ridiculous. But let's move on to a bigger issue. I understand that he wants to get control of the country's government out of the hands of oil companies. This makes sense, and I agree. However, the way to do this is not to increase government's size and raise taxes, but to shrink the government, and kick the lobbyists out of Washington. His policies will only compound theproblem of special interests holding way too much influence in our government.

Rhazakna

I don't know about you, but I have a hard time listening to a guy that says he wants the oil companies out, and then turn around and accepts large donations from them.

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#116 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

ferrari2001

Most people also don't know that the rich already pay 80% of the countries taxes.

If people had to write a check for all the taxes they pay from income tax and other various taxes a democrat would never get into the white house. My dad since he owns a buisness pay all the taxes at the end of the year. He wrote a $12,000 on his income tax and he only makes about $60,000... (thats with the income tax taken out)

yeah its awfully rough for people who own there own business these days. its terrible really. A lot of the laws that regulate massive corporations are being used for small businesses, thank the democrats for that.

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#117 Rhazakna
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

His taxation plans are ridiculous. But let's move on to a bigger issue. I understand that he wants to get control of the country's government out of the hands of oil companies. This makes sense, and I agree. However, the way to do this is not to increase government's size and raise taxes, but to shrink the government, and kick the lobbyists out of Washington. His policies will only compound theproblem of special interests holding way too much influence in our government.

LukeAF24

I don't know about you, but I have a hard time listening to a guy that says he wants the oil companies out, and then turn around and accepts large donations from them.

I don't think McCain will help the problem either. But I don't think he'll compound it as much as Obama.

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#118 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

yet another person who does NOT understand economics, wonderful!

please explain, in a technical sense how the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor and the middle class falls back.

ill correct you where you're wrong.

H8sMikeMoore

Most people also don't know that the rich already pay 80% of the countries taxes.

If people had to write a check for all the taxes they pay from income tax and other various taxes a democrat would never get into the white house. My dad since he owns a buisness pay all the taxes at the end of the year. He wrote a $12,000 on his income tax and he only makes about $60,000... (thats with the income tax taken out)

yeah its awfully rough for people who own there own business these days. its terrible really. A lot of the laws that regulate massive corporations are being used for small businesses, thank the democrats for that.

NO I'm saying ANYONE who earns $60,000 a year are spending $12,000 on taxes. So they only have $60,000 after that. Go ahead add up all the taxes taken from your pay

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#119 freshgman
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im voting for the democratic nomineee
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#120 deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
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I don't think McCain will help the problem either. But I don't think he'll copound it as much as Obama.

Rhazakna

I agree that neither will solve the issue but, there is more hope for McCain drilling in ANWR and developing a synthetic, then there is Obama.

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#121 ParadiseAwaits
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Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

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#122 Soul_Killa_Dark
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McCain. Honestly, I don't even know what the hell Obama is taking about half the time. He possesses one very great skill though, his rhetoric. On one has had that in Washington since Bill Clinton, who was phenomenally articulate. All I know about Obama is that he promotes Hope and Change to America. Thats all cool and all, but care to tell me how your going to execute that? By the way, I believe that Obama needs a tad bit more experience to become president, like being in the Senate for another 8 years, sorry but I don't think he can pull off a JFK (not the assassination by the way, the election). On the other hand I have tremendous respect for McCain, because he fought in the Vietnam Conflict, and was a prisoner of warfor 5 plus years. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now those regions will fall in anarchy, and all that we, as a nation with our troops and soldiers fought for would be lost. It was about time someone stepped in to, at least attempt, peace in the middle east since President Jimmy Carter. It's good thing if we stay in the Middle East for another 100 years. Why? Because it would be better for the entire world, not just the United States; other countries have had terrorist attacks on them also, if we pull out now,the world will back to square one.

That is just my point of view though. Also if you disagree with me and do not like my choice for the candidate, then by thankful that I am 16. :)

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McCain. Honestly, I don't even know what the hell Obama is taking about half the time. He possesses one very great skill though, his rhetoric. On one has had that in Washington since Bill Clinton, who was phenomenally articulate. All I know about Obama is that he promotes Hope and Change to America. Thats all cool and all, but care to tell me how your going to execute that? By the way, I believe that Obama needs a tad bit more experience to become president, like being in the Senate for another 8 years, sorry but I don't think he can pull off a JFK (not the assassination by the way, the election). On the other hand I have tremendous respect for McCain, because he fought in the Vietnam Conflict, and was a prisoner of warfor 5 plus years. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now those regions will fall in anarchy, and all that we, as a nation with our troops and soldiers fought for would be lost. It was about time someone stepped in to, at least attempt, peace in the middle east since President Jimmy Carter. It's good thing if we stay in the Middle East for another 100 years. Why? Because it would be better for the entire world, not just the United States; other countries have had terrorist attacks on them also, if we pull out now,the world will back to square one.

That is just my point of view though. Also if you disagree with me and do not like my choice for the candidate, then by thankful that I am 16. :)

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I respect your point of veiw but one thing including many many repbulicans agree is that Mcains decision on the war (to stay 100) was one of his biggiest mistakes. You do realize that nothing is coming out of this war right? Whats the point behind it to stop terrorism? Does anyone else not find that ludacris? Im not bashing Mcain because ill give him credit, hes straight to the point about his policies, as many have mentined, we all know where he stands but hes to much of a consiverative even more so than Bush. Obama may beat around the bush(not getting to the point) but thats not the first time a president has done so (cough Bush cough) Though he needs to get his points straightened out and begin to lead and not inspire he truly has potential to make change, he's almost excactly like JFK in the sense that hes young, has brand new ideas, and wants to refresh our system and not totaly change it, but most importantly is one of the few presidents that looks into the future generation and not the past, in other words he's more youth empowered speaker and progessive type. I personaly liked to finaly see a president who breaks the typical system of letting the older get what they want and letting US the next generation pick up on the scraps of there meals. With that said Obama would get my vote.
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#124 YourOldFriend
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Perhaps we should limit this to people who can actually vote in the election, hmm?
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#125 proskater40000
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I would definitly vote for obama. McCain is kind of a weirdo.
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[QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"]

McCain. Honestly, I don't even know what the hell Obama is taking about half the time. He possesses one very great skill though, his rhetoric. On one has had that in Washington since Bill Clinton, who was phenomenally articulate. All I know about Obama is that he promotes Hope and Change to America. Thats all cool and all, but care to tell me how your going to execute that? By the way, I believe that Obama needs a tad bit more experience to become president, like being in the Senate for another 8 years, sorry but I don't think he can pull off a JFK (not the assassination by the way, the election). On the other hand I have tremendous respect for McCain, because he fought in the Vietnam Conflict, and was a prisoner of warfor 5 plus years. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now those regions will fall in anarchy, and all that we, as a nation with our troops and soldiers fought for would be lost. It was about time someone stepped in to, at least attempt, peace in the middle east since President Jimmy Carter. It's good thing if we stay in the Middle East for another 100 years. Why? Because it would be better for the entire world, not just the United States; other countries have had terrorist attacks on them also, if we pull out now,the world will back to square one.

That is just my point of view though. Also if you disagree with me and do not like my choice for the candidate, then by thankful that I am 16. :)

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I respect your point of veiw but one thing including many many repbulicans agree is that Mcains decision on the war (to stay 100) was one of his biggiest mistakes. You do realize that nothing is coming out of this war right? Whats the point behind it to stop terrorism? Does anyone else not find that ludacris? Im not bashing Mcain because ill give him credit, hes straight to the point about his policies, as many have mentined, we all know where he stands but hes to much of a consiverative even more so than Bush. Obama may beat around the bush(not getting to the point) but thats not the first time a president has done so (cough Bush cough) Though he needs to get his points straightened out and begin to lead and not inspire he truly has potential to make change, he's almost excactly like JFK in the sense that hes young, has brand new ideas, and wants to refresh our system and not totaly change it, but most importantly is one of the few presidents that looks into the future generation and not the past, in other words he's more youth empowered speaker and progessive type. I personaly liked to finaly see a president who breaks the typical system of letting the older get what they want and letting US the next generation pick up on the scraps of there meals. With that said Obama would get my vote.

thank you someone finally spoke out against mccain's war ideas. I had a link before, ALL THE TERRORIST PLANS TARGETING USA WERE STOPPED WERE BY POLICE AND FBI, CIA NOT SOLDIES/MARINES/AIR FORCE! We ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING IN IRAQ. And since when are we the police of the world? if we can't help after 5 years there, there is a message being sent: try somewhere else, like DARFUR.
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McCain
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[QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"]

McCain. Honestly, I don't even know what the hell Obama is taking about half the time. He possesses one very great skill though, his rhetoric. On one has had that in Washington since Bill Clinton, who was phenomenally articulate. All I know about Obama is that he promotes Hope and Change to America. Thats all cool and all, but care to tell me how your going to execute that? By the way, I believe that Obama needs a tad bit more experience to become president, like being in the Senate for another 8 years, sorry but I don't think he can pull off a JFK (not the assassination by the way, the election). On the other hand I have tremendous respect for McCain, because he fought in the Vietnam Conflict, and was a prisoner of warfor 5 plus years. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now those regions will fall in anarchy, and all that we, as a nation with our troops and soldiers fought for would be lost. It was about time someone stepped in to, at least attempt, peace in the middle east since President Jimmy Carter. It's good thing if we stay in the Middle East for another 100 years. Why? Because it would be better for the entire world, not just the United States; other countries have had terrorist attacks on them also, if we pull out now,the world will back to square one.

That is just my point of view though. Also if you disagree with me and do not like my choice for the candidate, then by thankful that I am 16. :)

mexicangordo

I respect your point of veiw but one thing including many many repbulicans agree is that Mcains decision on the war (to stay 100) was one of his biggiest mistakes. You do realize that nothing is coming out of this war right? Whats the point behind it to stop terrorism? Does anyone else not find that ludacris? Im not bashing Mcain because ill give him credit, hes straight to the point about his policies, as many have mentined, we all know where he stands but hes to much of a consiverative even more so than Bush. Obama may beat around the bush(not getting to the point) but thats not the first time a president has done so (cough Bush cough) Though he needs to get his points straightened out and begin to lead and not inspire he truly has potential to make change, he's almost excactly like JFK in the sense that hes young, has brand new ideas, and wants to refresh our system and not totaly change it, but most importantly is one of the few presidents that looks into the future generation and not the past, in other words he's more youth empowered speaker and progessive type. I personaly liked to finaly see a president who breaks the typical system of letting the older get what they want and letting US the next generation pick up on the scraps of there meals. With that said Obama would get my vote.

I believe alot is coming out of this war. Al Q. has not attempted to attack us again after 9/11, because President Bush is not giving them room to breathe. Trust me on this, the moment the United States pull out of the Middle East, AQ will not hesitate to to attack us or any other one of our allies. Obama wants to pull out because that is what the majority want, that will cripple our future, President Bush knows this will hurt the world, and obviously the United States. He is very determined to see Terrorism cease to exist, and I support his view on that. We cannot afford to just pull out just because "the war is not going our way", hell it is not going towards any other nations way either. The point is that it is securing our future, if we pull out, I guarantee you there will be another attack on the US within four years. By the way, Osama Bin Laden is still alive, the second he see's the US pull out he will regroup his forces and plan another attack, this time possibly taking more lives than 9/11.

On the JFK thing, he, I hate to bring this up because I am inspired by him, but he totally messed up the Bay of Pigs invasion, however he has more revered things under his belt, like handling the Cuban Missile Crisis and trying to get Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act, which was accomplished by Lyndon B Johnson in honor of JFK. The chrisma and charm of JFK is what got him elected, Obama has this under his belt too; JFK was the first Catholic president, if elected Obama would be the first Black president; JFK was liberal, Obama is liberal. This is where the comparison stops, unfortunately. JFK looked at the past and wanted a better future for the US and the world; Obama is riding the peoples demand of a pull-out from the Middle East, that is only for the present. The future will be much, much more different for the world if we pull-out. Obama has not looked into the past good enough, because the past becomes the future if one does not study it. There is a reason why the older person gets elected, it is because they have more experience, and with that experience they know what is good and what is bad for the countrys present state and future. The time JFK got elected we had Eisenhower as president before, , he was old and had a warm grandfatherly charm, yet by the end of his term America was screaming for change, but for Obama's case, he has got to look at the future and change the US from within, not pull-out like there are not going to be any implications because of it.

By the way, I respect your choice of candidate too.

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#130 pseudodog07
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How'd we all get suckered into 4 more years of Clinton, 4 more years of Bush or Jeramiah Junior? It would all be so odd if it weren't so disturbing.
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#131 mexicangordo
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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"]

McCain. Honestly, I don't even know what the hell Obama is taking about half the time. He possesses one very great skill though, his rhetoric. On one has had that in Washington since Bill Clinton, who was phenomenally articulate. All I know about Obama is that he promotes Hope and Change to America. Thats all cool and all, but care to tell me how your going to execute that? By the way, I believe that Obama needs a tad bit more experience to become president, like being in the Senate for another 8 years, sorry but I don't think he can pull off a JFK (not the assassination by the way, the election). On the other hand I have tremendous respect for McCain, because he fought in the Vietnam Conflict, and was a prisoner of warfor 5 plus years. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now those regions will fall in anarchy, and all that we, as a nation with our troops and soldiers fought for would be lost. It was about time someone stepped in to, at least attempt, peace in the middle east since President Jimmy Carter. It's good thing if we stay in the Middle East for another 100 years. Why? Because it would be better for the entire world, not just the United States; other countries have had terrorist attacks on them also, if we pull out now,the world will back to square one.

That is just my point of view though. Also if you disagree with me and do not like my choice for the candidate, then by thankful that I am 16. :)

Soul_Killa_Dark

I respect your point of veiw but one thing including many many repbulicans agree is that Mcains decision on the war (to stay 100) was one of his biggiest mistakes. You do realize that nothing is coming out of this war right? Whats the point behind it to stop terrorism? Does anyone else not find that ludacris? Im not bashing Mcain because ill give him credit, hes straight to the point about his policies, as many have mentined, we all know where he stands but hes to much of a consiverative even more so than Bush. Obama may beat around the bush(not getting to the point) but thats not the first time a president has done so (cough Bush cough) Though he needs to get his points straightened out and begin to lead and not inspire he truly has potential to make change, he's almost excactly like JFK in the sense that hes young, has brand new ideas, and wants to refresh our system and not totaly change it, but most importantly is one of the few presidents that looks into the future generation and not the past, in other words he's more youth empowered speaker and progessive type. I personaly liked to finaly see a president who breaks the typical system of letting the older get what they want and letting US the next generation pick up on the scraps of there meals. With that said Obama would get my vote.

I believe alot is coming out of this war. Al Q. has not attempted to attack us again after 9/11, because President Bush is not giving them room to breathe. Trust me on this, the moment the United States pull out of the Middle East, AQ will not hesitate to to attack us or any other one of our allies. Obama wants to pull out because that is what the majority want, that will cripple our future, President Bush knows this will hurt the world, and obviously the United States. He is very determined to see Terrorism cease to exist, and I support his view on that. We cannot afford to just pull out just because "the war is not going our way", hell it is not going towards any other nations way either. The point is that it is securing our future, if we pull out, I guarantee you there will be another attack on the US within four years. By the way, Osama Bin Laden is still alive, the second he see's the US pull out he will regroup his forces and plan another attack, this time possibly taking more lives than 9/11.

On the JFK thing, he, I hate to bring this up because I am inspired by him, but he totally messed up the Bay of Pigs invasion, however he has more revered things under his belt, like handling the Cuban Missile Crisis and trying to get Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act, which was accomplished by Lyndon B Johnson in honor of JFK. The chrisma and charm of JFK is what got him elected, Obama has this under his belt too; JFK was the first Catholic president, if elected Obama would be the first Black president; JFK was liberal, Obama is liberal. This is where the comparison stops, unfortunately. JFK looked at the past and wanted a better future for the US and the world; Obama is riding the peoples demand of a pull-out from the Middle East, that is only for the present. The future will be much, much more different for the world if we pull-out. Obama has not looked into the past good enough, because the past becomes the future if one does not study it. There is a reason why the older person gets elected, it is because they have more experience, and with that experience they know what is good and what is bad for the countrys present state and future. The time JFK got elected we had Eisenhower as president before, , he was old and had a warm grandfatherly charm, yet by the end of his term America was screaming for change, but for Obama's case, he has got to look at the future and change the US from within, not pull-out like there are not going to be any implications because of it.

By the way, I respect your choice of candidate too.

Im sorry to inform you but NOTHING is coming out of this war, this is not opinion but flat out fact. Wouldnt you agree that if something came out of this war then perhaps so many citizens would be for it and not against it. We have to understand that our intentions for going to war is to "stop terrorism" thats crazy because terrorism will always exist, for all we know we may be the terrorist to Iraqs and thus an endless cycle. Its true we may be getting information amongst big Terrorist threats but does that justify everything? Countless people dieing in a war thats taking babysteps foward, and ill repeat myself; babysteps. This war isnt getting us anywhere, if the Country was for it then it would actualy help us get out of the recession we are in but since we our aiming for the wrong goal then well will always fail no matter what.

JFK is almost exactly like Obama, the list doesnt stop were you left off. Not to mention what more of a comparison could you want, there both inspirational, liberal, and fresh breaths of air that the country needs now and what the country needed back then. Again JFK is one of the only presidents EVER to cater to both the youth and the older crowd alike, and Obama looks to be the same.

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#132 LostProphetFLCL
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Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

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How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

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#133 Cube_of_MooN
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McCain. I can't believe people actually fall for Obama's "Change we can believe in" slogan. It makes me lol daily.
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#134 allnamestaken
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Obama. He's charismatic, a good speaker, seems like a genuine guy and basically mirrors my political beliefs.
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#135 Tolwan
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[QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

LostProphetFLCL

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities end there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

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#136 deactivated-57a12126af02c
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Definatly McCain

Cant stand Obama.

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#137 brightshadow525
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McCain. Too bad republican votes basically don't count in New York... =(
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#138 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

Tolwan

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities start there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

Exactly, he is keeping the dumb tax cuts which aren't helping and he wants to keep up the war. He is supporting the 2 major flaws of Mr. Bush right there. I do believe he himself has admitted to being unkowlegable when it comes to economics and here we are in a recession. Yeah, lets just elect a president who doesn't know what to do with the economy other than continue an already failed plan.

As for Iraq, no we do not need to stay there and we aren't helping. Our presence is merely inciting more violence and regardless of when we leave there will be civil war. We screwed up big time in Iraq and I am sick of people acting like staying there is some sort of price we need to pay for being foolish when our presence isn't helping a thing. You think a government established by a foreign power is going to just be welcomed? No. There will be figthing over it once we leave regardless. The people need to sort themselves out now and we need to stop acting like we are helping.

The chances of Iraq being friendly are slim to none, especially with Iran next door. Do you even know WHY there is so much hate for America in Iran? WE TOOK OUT A LEADER OF THEIRS DECADES AGO!!!

I know Saddam was a sack of crap but he had fear so instilled into the population that he at least managed to keep the civil war from happening. Our removing him means that the civil war is going to occur. We have dug ourselves into soo much debt that our economy is falling and yes experts have stated the war as being THE MAJOR cause of our recession. Seems like contiunuing it would be a bad idea now doesn't it?

It isn't just that though. Mccain has made statements which suggest he wants to go to war with Iran on top of keeping our presence in Iraq. Lets see, our economy is crashing from our current war, so lets keep that same military presence while commencing a BIG invasion (Iran would definitely take much more effort to beat than Iraq) on a country who is allied with the likes of RUSSIA! Can you say disaster?

I would much rather elect Bush for a third term than Mccain. At least Bush doesn't appear ready to throw us into aother war.

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#139 Cube_of_MooN
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McCain. Too bad republican votes basically don't count in New York... =(brightshadow525

Same here in Massachusetts... :(

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#140 Dub_c6969
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Obama.bluezy
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#141 Tolwan
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[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

LostProphetFLCL

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities start there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

-snip-

So, you're just going to throw out the petrayus report alltogether then, arent you? A report done by an actual professional in warfare, you know, a guy who *actually* knows what he's talking about when it comes to Iraq? Very rational of you.

And every president has his strengths and weaknesses, McCain is just honest. He also talks with economic advisers a lot more willingly than other politicians too. You're just grasping for straws here because you want democrats in office. No different than how i want republicans in office. We all want out party in, yours is just on a self-destruct course because of all the internal differing. (See: McCain now leading in Gallop nd Rasmussen polls against both candidates, but especially Obama).

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#142 mexicangordo
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

Tolwan

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities end there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

Actualy Mcain and Bush are very much the same. The main points in this years elections are Immigration, Health Care, The War, The Economy, and The Environment. Mcain shares all of the same points with Bush except for the Environment. To say that there at least not close or even half way similar would be a complete lie. People who are voting for Mcain are the same people who like how things are right now, end of story. They will believe that the war will clear out, that we will look like heroes, and that the economy will work its way out thanks to the idea of the "invisable hand." If Mcain wins its like there will be no change, its seems like many (including some republicans) want change yet they are going for someone who is not changing much at all. Obama may not be the best president canidate ever, and lets face it, none of the running presidents are that impressive but at least Obama has a new point of view at our system. He may look and sound crazy to conservative repbulicans but he truly might be that push in confidence and in spirit but most importantly in our government, the country needs
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#143 RenegadePatriot
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McCain gets my vote.
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#144 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

mexicangordo

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities end there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

Actualy Mcain and Bush are very much the same. The main points in this years elections are Immigration, Health Care, The War, The Economy, and The Environment. Mcain shares all of the same points with Bush except for the Environment. To say that there at least not close or even half way similar would be a complete lie. People who are voting for Mcain are the same people who like how things are right now, end of story. They will believe that the war will clear out, that we will look like heroes, and that the economy will work its way out thanks to the idea of the "invisable hand." If Mcain wins its like there will be no change, its seems like many (including some republicans) want change yet they are going for someone who is not changing much at all. Obama may not be the best president canidate ever, and lets face it, none of the running presidents are that impressive but at least Obama has a new point of view at our system. He may look and sound crazy to conservative repbulicans but he truly might be that push in confidence and in spirit but most importantly in our government, the country needs

you're entitled to your opinion, but im just letting you know... you didnt even present an argument. you just stated what you think.

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#145 mexicangordo
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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

H8sMikeMoore

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities end there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

Actualy Mcain and Bush are very much the same. The main points in this years elections are Immigration, Health Care, The War, The Economy, and The Environment. Mcain shares all of the same points with Bush except for the Environment. To say that there at least not close or even half way similar would be a complete lie. People who are voting for Mcain are the same people who like how things are right now, end of story. They will believe that the war will clear out, that we will look like heroes, and that the economy will work its way out thanks to the idea of the "invisable hand." If Mcain wins its like there will be no change, its seems like many (including some republicans) want change yet they are going for someone who is not changing much at all. Obama may not be the best president canidate ever, and lets face it, none of the running presidents are that impressive but at least Obama has a new point of view at our system. He may look and sound crazy to conservative repbulicans but he truly might be that push in confidence and in spirit but most importantly in our government, the country needs

you're entitled to your opinion, but im just letting you know... you didnt even present an argument. you just stated what you think.

Its funny because my intentions weren't to begin an arguement, i know your a "hardcore" republican so i just thought instead getting no-where in an arguement to correct you in what i believed.
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

mexicangordo

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities end there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

Actualy Mcain and Bush are very much the same. The main points in this years elections are Immigration, Health Care, The War, The Economy, and The Environment. Mcain shares all of the same points with Bush except for the Environment. To say that there at least not close or even half way similar would be a complete lie. People who are voting for Mcain are the same people who like how things are right now, end of story. They will believe that the war will clear out, that we will look like heroes, and that the economy will work its way out thanks to the idea of the "invisable hand." If Mcain wins its like there will be no change, its seems like many (including some republicans) want change yet they are going for someone who is not changing much at all. Obama may not be the best president canidate ever, and lets face it, none of the running presidents are that impressive but at least Obama has a new point of view at our system. He may look and sound crazy to conservative repbulicans but he truly might be that push in confidence and in spirit but most importantly in our government, the country needs

you're entitled to your opinion, but im just letting you know... you didnt even present an argument. you just stated what you think.

Its funny because my intentions werent to begin an arguement, i know your a "hardcore" republican so i just thought instead getting no-where in an arguement to correct you in what i believed.

technically speaking, im not really a republican.

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#147 mexicangordo
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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

H8sMikeMoore

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities end there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

Actualy Mcain and Bush are very much the same. The main points in this years elections are Immigration, Health Care, The War, The Economy, and The Environment. Mcain shares all of the same points with Bush except for the Environment. To say that there at least not close or even half way similar would be a complete lie. People who are voting for Mcain are the same people who like how things are right now, end of story. They will believe that the war will clear out, that we will look like heroes, and that the economy will work its way out thanks to the idea of the "invisable hand." If Mcain wins its like there will be no change, its seems like many (including some republicans) want change yet they are going for someone who is not changing much at all. Obama may not be the best president canidate ever, and lets face it, none of the running presidents are that impressive but at least Obama has a new point of view at our system. He may look and sound crazy to conservative repbulicans but he truly might be that push in confidence and in spirit but most importantly in our government, the country needs

you're entitled to your opinion, but im just letting you know... you didnt even present an argument. you just stated what you think.

Its funny because my intentions werent to begin an arguement, i know your a "hardcore" republican so i just thought instead getting no-where in an arguement to correct you in what i believed.

technically speaking, im not really a republican.

Even though you stated that you wanted a republican to win, and that you have Mcain in your sig, but i guess thats where technically comes in.
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Even though you stated that you wanted a republican to win, and that you have Mcain in your sig, but i guess thats where technically comes in.mexicangordo

Out of obama vs mccain, yeah I want mccain to win.

Im more of a libertarian.

My signature says Reality check, it has nothing to do with mccain

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#149 mexicangordo
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Even though you stated that you wanted a republican to win, and that you have Mcain in your sig, but i guess thats where technically comes in.H8sMikeMoore

Out of obama vs mccain, yeah I want mccain to win.

Im more of a libertarian.

My signature says Reality check, it has nothing to do with mccain

ahhh im sorry, i have really bad dislexia and i confused you for the completly wrong person, sorry about that, you have my sorries and appologies. And for the record i too am a libertarian, kinda ironic ey?
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#150 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Even though you stated that you wanted a republican to win, and that you have Mcain in your sig, but i guess thats where technically comes in.mexicangordo

Out of obama vs mccain, yeah I want mccain to win.

Im more of a libertarian.

My signature says Reality check, it has nothing to do with mccain

ahhh im sorry, i have really bad dislexia and i confused you for the completly wrong person, sorry about that, you have my sorries and appologies. And for the record i too am a libertarian, kinda ironic ey?

werent you saying you liked obama? thats kind of not so libertarian of you.