Obama vs McCain who would you vote for ?

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#151 remmbermytitans
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McCain!
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#152 GettingTired
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I wouldn't vote.
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#153 Norg
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I wanna vote for Chuck norris
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#154 buxboy
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John McCain hands down.

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#156 quadraleap
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If McCain didn't suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder I would prossibly vote for him.

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#157 Norg
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We can still fight terriost in iraq even if we pull out

we will just pull out all are conventinal army but the special elite troops and and cells will still remian in iraq

a conventinal army is not the best way to fight terriost in iraq

the best way to fight them is to have sleeper cells go in and out to attack then exit

so what iam saying is we dont need tens of thousands of troops in Iraq we need more like a few hunderd that go in and out

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#158 Soul_Killa_Dark
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[QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"]

McCain. Honestly, I don't even know what the hell Obama is taking about half the time. He possesses one very great skill though, his rhetoric. On one has had that in Washington since Bill Clinton, who was phenomenally articulate. All I know about Obama is that he promotes Hope and Change to America. Thats all cool and all, but care to tell me how your going to execute that? By the way, I believe that Obama needs a tad bit more experience to become president, like being in the Senate for another 8 years, sorry but I don't think he can pull off a JFK (not the assassination by the way, the election). On the other hand I have tremendous respect for McCain, because he fought in the Vietnam Conflict, and was a prisoner of warfor 5 plus years. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now those regions will fall in anarchy, and all that we, as a nation with our troops and soldiers fought for would be lost. It was about time someone stepped in to, at least attempt, peace in the middle east since President Jimmy Carter. It's good thing if we stay in the Middle East for another 100 years. Why? Because it would be better for the entire world, not just the United States; other countries have had terrorist attacks on them also, if we pull out now,the world will back to square one.

That is just my point of view though. Also if you disagree with me and do not like my choice for the candidate, then by thankful that I am 16. :)

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I respect your point of veiw but one thing including many many repbulicans agree is that Mcains decision on the war (to stay 100) was one of his biggiest mistakes. You do realize that nothing is coming out of this war right? Whats the point behind it to stop terrorism? Does anyone else not find that ludacris? Im not bashing Mcain because ill give him credit, hes straight to the point about his policies, as many have mentined, we all know where he stands but hes to much of a consiverative even more so than Bush. Obama may beat around the bush(not getting to the point) but thats not the first time a president has done so (cough Bush cough) Though he needs to get his points straightened out and begin to lead and not inspire he truly has potential to make change, he's almost excactly like JFK in the sense that hes young, has brand new ideas, and wants to refresh our system and not totaly change it, but most importantly is one of the few presidents that looks into the future generation and not the past, in other words he's more youth empowered speaker and progessive type. I personaly liked to finaly see a president who breaks the typical system of letting the older get what they want and letting US the next generation pick up on the scraps of there meals. With that said Obama would get my vote.

I believe alot is coming out of this war. Al Q. has not attempted to attack us again after 9/11, because President Bush is not giving them room to breathe. Trust me on this, the moment the United States pull out of the Middle East, AQ will not hesitate to to attack us or any other one of our allies. Obama wants to pull out because that is what the majority want, that will cripple our future, President Bush knows this will hurt the world, and obviously the United States. He is very determined to see Terrorism cease to exist, and I support his view on that. We cannot afford to just pull out just because "the war is not going our way", hell it is not going towards any other nations way either. The point is that it is securing our future, if we pull out, I guarantee you there will be another attack on the US within four years. By the way, Osama Bin Laden is still alive, the second he see's the US pull out he will regroup his forces and plan another attack, this time possibly taking more lives than 9/11.

On the JFK thing, he, I hate to bring this up because I am inspired by him, but he totally messed up the Bay of Pigs invasion, however he has more revered things under his belt, like handling the Cuban Missile Crisis and trying to get Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act, which was accomplished by Lyndon B Johnson in honor of JFK. The chrisma and charm of JFK is what got him elected, Obama has this under his belt too; JFK was the first Catholic president, if elected Obama would be the first Black president; JFK was liberal, Obama is liberal. This is where the comparison stops, unfortunately. JFK looked at the past and wanted a better future for the US and the world; Obama is riding the peoples demand of a pull-out from the Middle East, that is only for the present. The future will be much, much more different for the world if we pull-out. Obama has not looked into the past good enough, because the past becomes the future if one does not study it. There is a reason why the older person gets elected, it is because they have more experience, and with that experience they know what is good and what is bad for the countrys present state and future. The time JFK got elected we had Eisenhower as president before, , he was old and had a warm grandfatherly charm, yet by the end of his term America was screaming for change, but for Obama's case, he has got to look at the future and change the US from within, not pull-out like there are not going to be any implications because of it.

By the way, I respect your choice of candidate too.

Im sorry to inform you but NOTHING is coming out of this war, this is not opinion but flat out fact.

Okay, you believe nothing is coming out of this war, then how do we respond to the 3000 Americans that lost their lives on 9/11? We are fighting for the welfare of this country and also others. If you were the United States President on September 11, 2001, would not be angry, hurt, and vowing for revenge for your countrymen? We are fighting for our security, that is what is coming out of this war. Would announce to your country: "I'm sorry there is nothing we can do"?

Wouldnt you agree that if something came out of this war then perhaps so many citizens would be for it and not against it.

Those people have forgotten about 9/11, clearly. They do not themselves see what is coming out, because they just want cold hard results, and that takes time. I am sure that if you had any relatives that were in the Twin Towers that day you would not be debating with me right now.

We have to understand that our intentions for going to war is to "stop terrorism" thats crazy because terrorism will always exist, for all we know we may be the terrorist to Iraqs and thus an endless cycle.

What? We are the terrorists? Where in the hell did you come up with that assumption? However, it is true we cannot stop terrorism but we can slow it down to a weak force rather than sit back and let it get bigger and bigger. Look at the Cold War as an example, back then Communism was the big threat, yet we fought it for 40 years and look at what it is now. Bush wants that to happen to terrorism. I would have at an "endless cycle" to prevent another 9/11.

Its true we may be getting information amongst big Terrorist threats but does that justify everything?

Yes, it does. the reason we are at war is because a group of people hate you, me, our parents, our relatives, our teachers, our friends, our life, our culture, our country. They have sworn to take our lives away. We give up on terrorism now, it will become another Vietnam.

Countless people dieing in a war thats taking babysteps foward, and ill repeat myself; babysteps. This war isnt getting us anywhere, if the Country was for it then it would actualy help us get out of the recession we are in but since we our aiming for the wrong goal then well will always fail no matter what.

Those countless people are men and women who have vowed to protect and serve their country. Taking babysteps right now will help us and other people in the long run. What do you suggest, stop now, pull out a chair, sit back and watch as Terrorism grows bigger and bigger? By the way, the war is not the only thing contributing to the recession. If you know anything about our economy you would realize that we have a Capitalist economy, where the "Boom and Bust" cycle exists. A recession was bound to happen, it's inevitable in our economy. For prosperity to occur, there must be a recession, and vice versa. I am not about to teach you economics, but just give you a little taste. Moreover I don't get the "if the Country was for it then it would actually help us get out of the recession we are in", care to elaborate how? It doesn't matter if we are with Bush on the war or not, a recession was inevitable. You can thank Clinton for a prosperous economy.

JFK is almost exactly like Obama, the list doesnt stop were you left off. Not to mention what more of a comparison could you want, there both inspirational, liberal, and fresh breaths of air that the country needs now and what the country needed back then. Again JFK is one of the only presidents EVER to cater to both the youth and the older crowd alike, and Obama looks to be the same.

Explain to me why Obama would be a fresh breath of air. Young people just vote for him because he is a great speaker and is young. That is all he has going for him. I dare him to stand toe to toe with McCain and debate with him. McCain knows what he is talking about and will give you his opinion, Obama will tell you what you want to hear.

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#159 quadraleap
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Why do you keep quoting that with no reply?

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#160 H8sMikeMoore
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there isnt a candidate in the race who knows what theyre talking about.

theyre all dummies.

John McCain is the dummy for me, because he at least grasps very basic fundamentals that I agree with. I assume he would surround himself with people who would know more about things that are important to me.

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#161 elmo90
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McCain.
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#162 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

Obama will usher in a new ERA of racism...

Obama maintainted an active role in a racist church for over 20 years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama?

Tolwan

How could anyone vote for a man who not only plans to continue our failed economic and foreign policies, but is also ready to start a NEW war despite our failing economy?

I seriously cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for Mccain. It baffles me that after all this anti-Bush sentiment going around to the point where Republicans were doing whatever they could to DISTANCE themselves from Bush he still managed to actually get the republican nominee.....

Wow, living under a rock are we? First, McCain is viewed as a moderate republican, and no, he does *not* plan to continue everything bush is doing. He's going to keep the tax cuts, and finish the war. The similiarities start there. I dont care what you think we're getting out of Iraq, that's pointless. Personally i would have invaded the country Osama is hiding in. But the fact is, pulling out prematurely will only make our problems *worse*. Oh, and dont try to use the Iraq War to harp on the War on Terror, because most americans support the war on terror by large margins, just not the war in iraq.

And you really can't use the Iraq war as a big button issue. The Petrayus report clearly shows us that there has been *significant* change and that troop levels will continue falling drastically over the next couple of months, with a brief evaluation period, and then a continuation of drops. By the time of the election, we will probably be well below the initial troop numbers from the earlier part of the war. And the surge troops will be *long* gone in just a couple months. Besides, having Iraq stabilized and set up to be a new Ally of the US presents strategic benefits in the overall war on Terror in the middle-east, Troops to assist you, your oil assets protected, and furthermore a base to strike from. Wether you support the war for it's initial reasons or not, we're there now, and we can still get some gains out of this. Pulling out prematurely, can only hurt us.

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So, you're just going to throw out the petrayus report alltogether then, arent you? A report done by an actual professional in warfare, you know, a guy who *actually* knows what he's talking about when it comes to Iraq? Very rational of you.

And every president has his strengths and weaknesses, McCain is just honest. He also talks with economic advisers a lot more willingly than other politicians too. You're just grasping for straws here because you want democrats in office. No different than how i want republicans in office. We all want out party in, yours is just on a self-destruct course because of all the internal differing. (See: McCain now leading in Gallop nd Rasmussen polls against both candidates, but especially Obama).

I have no need to throw out the report. The Petrayus report only talks about whats going one now, not what will happen when we leave. Even if violence is lessening now, it does not mean there won't be a civil war breaking out once we leave. Unless we stay there forever (and apparently Mccain wants to) then there will be violence. It is so naive of us to think we can walk in and patch up such a deep-seeded conflict as the one in Iraq is.

Mccains weaknesses are VERY BIG weakness and ones that could DEVASTATE the country. How can you consider a man who wishes to invade Iran a good candidate for presidency? Jesus christ that has potential to spiral into a World War 3!!! Anyone who knows the situation would be able to tell you that if we attack Iran we are going to have AT THE VERY LEAST Russia joining in and oppossing us which would be VERY BAD!

And no, I do not bother with party affilliation. I look at the individual candidates and refuse to tie myself to a particular party as that is downright stupid. I don't give a damn if there are repubs in control as long as they are intelligent and know what the hell they are doing. Mccain is NOT one of those intelligent Republicans....

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#163 ThaSod
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Voting Obama.

I don't know how people can actually think Obama is a racist. Many of my friends and relatives have said some crackpot things as bad as 'the US government purposefully spread AIDS' and that certainly doesn't make me believe their theories.

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#164 deadeye012006
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#165 Napster06
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Obama..
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#166 monkeytoes61
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McCain. Obama is a bumbling moron and is views are way too radical.
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#167 Engrish_Major
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McCain. Obama is a bumbling moron and is views are way too radical.monkeytoes61

Obama's views are radical? Where are you from? What views?

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#168 ThaSod
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McCain. Obama is a bumbling moron and is views are way too radical.monkeytoes61

Could a bumbling moron have the financial savvy to raise over $100 million over the internet or the organizational ability to overcome a huge disadvantage in name recognition in every state of the union?

No, Obama is definitely no moron.

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#169 1hungguy
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McCain. Obama is a bumbling moron and is views are way too radical.monkeytoes61

With that statement you just showed what a bumbling moron you are. But I like when idiots like yourself make such comments cause it let the rest of the sane minded majority know what kind of people are actually supporting a candidate like McCain, and they'll eschew themselves from such stupidity.

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#170 1hungguy
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McCain....at least I know where he stands.....CIoud_S

Yes, so do I, he stands for the same stuff that has our economy going down the toilet along with everything else in this country. Only two kind of people will vote for McCain wealthy upperclass (this is essentially who republicans look out for) and the completely stupid, detatched idiots that think republicans actually care squat about them. It's this simple, If you really want change for the better vote Obama, if you want more of the same then vote McCain.

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#171 1hungguy
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ParadiseAwaits: Whoever you are, you're just a f!@# moron.
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#172 cpo335
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Nader '08
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#173 btaylor2404
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Obama. I don't see how an ADULT making less than 250k yearly can vote for McCain.
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#175 trix5817
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I don't like either but I'm voting for the lesser of two evils, McCain.
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#176 peaceful_anger
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Point 1: I'm an Independent who was leaning towards voting for a Democrat, but after seeing how the DNC handled the whole FL and MI debacle, I don't see how I can vote for a Dem. Certain supporters as well as members of the DNC constantly said well the rules are the rules, and those states broke those rules, so they should be punished, but three other states, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, also broke the rules. Those three states weren't punished fairly. Heck, they weren't even punished at all, yet I don't see yall complaining about that. I mean if you want to be FAIR, then punish all the states that broke the rules, or none at all.

Point 2: Another thing, if people want to be FAIR, then you can't place all the troubles America is having on Bush (don't get me wrong, I can't stand the man).

I mean, a little over a year and a half ago
1. Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high.
2. Reg. gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon.
3. The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Dem Congress in 2006, we have had
1. Consumer confidence plummett.
2. The cost of reg. gasoline has soared to over $3.50 a gallon.
3. Umemployment is up the 5%.
4. American households have seen $2.3 tillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund loses).
5. Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion.
6. And 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

As you can see, America voted for change in 2006, and we got it. Remember, it's Congress that makes the laws, not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him. How is it that America doesn't know this???

Point 3: The 3rd Bush term argument is not resonating with me when it comes to McCain. Everybody knows (well maybe not seeing as people make this argument) McCain is not your typical Republican just as Lierberman was not your typical Democrat. I've seen McCain cross party lines to do what he thought was right. That deserves respect IMO. I haven't seen that from Obama. If you look at his record, what little he has, you will see that he has basically voted straight down party lines making him the most liberal person in the Senate. So do you want a President who is bipartisan, which can be proven by McCain's record, or a President that can't, which has been proven by Obama's record? Another thing that makes them completely different is that McCain has 20 years worth of experience in Congress, where as Bush was inexperienced. But if you want to continue to say McCain=Bush, then I guess Obama=Carter. Sound fair??

I know I sound like one big Republican, but right now I'm so hacked off with the Democratic Party, so I don't know who to vote for.
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#177 ElZilcho90
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Gun to my head choice? McCain. I don't really support him, but Obama is way too liberal for me to vote for him.
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#178 Dreams-Visions
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Obama.