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Anyone else find it strange that they put "Barack Obana" and "Anti-American" in caps and left the rest alone?
It's sort of like titling it Barack Obama Pastor Anti-American Rev Jeremiah Wright Racism.
That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsbraindead_hero
That comment is so disturbing I won't even comment it. That's a great view for the leader of our country...
Since when was Rev. Wright Barack Obama?MattUD1
Only his greatest influence for 20 years. So I guess it wouldn't hurt Mccain if he was involved with the KKK for 20 years, because he's not the Grand Wizard...
[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Since when was Rev. Wright Barack Obama?RiSkyBiZ-13
Only his greatest influence for 20 years. So I guess it wouldn't hurt Mccain if he was involved with the KKK for 20 years, because he's not the Grand Wizard...
Perhaps I should have rephrased that...
Since when did Rev. Wright's views represent Barack Obama's views?
[QUOTE="braindead_hero"]That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsRiSkyBiZ-13
That comment is so disturbing I won't even comment it. That's a great view for the leader of our country...
Since when was Rev. Wright Barack Obama?MattUD1
Only his greatest influence for 20 years. So I guess it wouldn't hurt Mccain if he was involved with the KKK for 20 years, because he's not the Grand Wizard...
Well first of all Obama has distanced himself from the pastor and that pastor is simply saying what just about every other country thinks of america at the moment
[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Since when was Rev. Wright Barack Obama?RiSkyBiZ-13
Only his greatest influence for 20 years. So I guess it wouldn't hurt Mccain if he was involved with the KKK for 20 years, because he's not the Grand Wizard...
Oh, you mean how McCain's guy said that New Orleans got what it deserved with Katrina?
Sure thing
[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="braindead_hero"]That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsbraindead_hero
That comment is so disturbing I won't even comment it. That's a great view for the leader of our country...
Since when was Rev. Wright Barack Obama?MattUD1
Only his greatest influence for 20 years. So I guess it wouldn't hurt Mccain if he was involved with the KKK for 20 years, because he's not the Grand Wizard...
Well first of all Obama has distanced himself from the pastor and that pastor is simply saying what just about every other country thinks of america at the moment
Yeah, but he distanced himself once it was bad publicity. So does it really mean anything? I donno. I personally don't care either way.
[QUOTE="braindead_hero"]That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsRiSkyBiZ-13
That comment is so disturbing I won't even comment it. That's a great view for the leader of our country...
While I don't agree with EVERYTHING that he's said (like the whole 9/11 thing), Rev. Wright does make some valid points on the "rich white man."
FYI: I am a white American.
Well first of all Obama has distanced himself from the pastor and that pastor is simply saying what just about every other country thinks of america at the moment
braindead_hero
That was a smart political move, he would never win if he was still attending that church. I think it's interesting that ALL OF A SUDDEN, after 20 YEARS, he suddenly doesn't agree with that church.
Perhaps I should have rephrased that...
Since when did Rev. Wright's views represent Barack Obama's views?
MattUD1
He wouldn't have attended the church for 20 years if he didn't agree. I stopped going to Catholic church years ago, people don't support a religion unless they believe what's being preached.
[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="braindead_hero"]That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsscorch-62
That comment is so disturbing I won't even comment it. That's a great view for the leader of our country...
While I don't agree with EVERYTHING that he's said (like the whole 9/11 thing), Rev. Wright does make some valid points on the "rich white man."
FYI: I am a white American.
Notice I did originally say SOME other parts are over the top but others are perfectly valid arguments
[QUOTE="MattUD1"]
Perhaps I should have rephrased that...
Since when did Rev. Wright's views represent Barack Obama's views?
RiSkyBiZ-13
He wouldn't have attended the church for 20 years if he didn't agree. I stopped going to Catholic church years ago, people don't support a religion unless they believe what's being preached.
About spiritual issues perhaps...[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]
Perhaps I should have rephrased that...
Since when did Rev. Wright's views represent Barack Obama's views?
MattUD1
He wouldn't have attended the church for 20 years if he didn't agree. I stopped going to Catholic church years ago, people don't support a religion unless they believe what's being preached.
About spiritual issues perhaps...Like I said in the original post, I didn't expect to change views. It's these hilarious excuses people come up with that make me laugh. Thanks for that.
[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="braindead_hero"]FYI: I am a white American.rad_2xl
No, you are not. You are "L", one of the brightest minds of our time, but ultimately owned by Lighto-kun. Oh, and you shall become an inspiration to all emos.
Well there's a misquote considering I live in the UK
[QUOTE="cool_baller"]Uh, isn't Barack like half-white?fat_robyesSo is he gonna be like Voldemort, like how Voldemort was half muggle but still hated on mudbloods, except now Obama will hate on whites.
http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm
"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone's book, Black Power and Black Theology."
http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html
"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981."
Yeah, his church for 20 years is a racist church, if there ever was one.
[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]
Perhaps I should have rephrased that...
Since when did Rev. Wright's views represent Barack Obama's views?
RiSkyBiZ-13
He wouldn't have attended the church for 20 years if he didn't agree. I stopped going to Catholic church years ago, people don't support a religion unless they believe what's being preached.
About spiritual issues perhaps...Like I said in the original post, I didn't expect to change views. It's these hilarious excuses people come up with that make me laugh. Thanks for that.
Whatever... I'm just going off of my own logic... and my own logic dictates that I wouldn't listen to my Father about Iraq or the changing face of the American Economy. I would listen about God and Jesus... that's if I believed it.Among the charitable donations in 2007 was $26,270 to Trinity United Church of Christ, where the incendiary sermons of Obama's former pastor have created problems for the candidate. The Obamas' largest charitable donation was $50,000 to the United Negro College Fund. They also gave $35,000 to CARE. So, to sum it up, approximately 70% of their charitable donations were to causes that exclusively benefit African Americans. We have a hard time seeing this as the actions of a unifier! If Barack chooses to segregate his donations, what is next for America? Again, to quote Michelle, they are on track to use any means necessary to benefit the Black race ONLY! What this means for Whites, Hispanics, Indians or Asians is, don't look for any support from President Obama.
Phone Call to Trinity United Church
On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama's Church and reported the following conversation: " I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School ****s in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: "No, we have many Muslim members in our church." Barack's "Proof of Christianity" has been his church. It's just one more lie from Obama!
The church's mission statement:
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
Barack has belonged to this church for TWENTY years. Do you think he is willing to give ALL Americans a fair shake? Substitute the word Black for the word White and you have a church fit for a KKK leader!
Barrack Obama is receiving campaign help from a terrorist organization, Hamas! Yes, you heard it right! Hamas has been campaigning for Senator Obama in Gaza. They have been making computer generated phone calls to the American voters and soliciting votes for Obama by using Barrack Obama's official campaign site phone banks. The area is under Hamas control and all the internet is monitored and moderated by Hamas! Hamas has took credit for firing more than 200 rockets into Israel. Would you feel different if the 200 rockets had landed on US soil? What kind of a Presidential hopeful would accept volunteer help from Hamas? Remember, if you get a political call from the Obama camp, you may be talking to a suicide bomber on the other end of the line! Below is the link we obtained from Aljazeera! Click here to view the YouTube video of the Hamas call center working to get Barack Obama elected as President of the United States
This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".bman784
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
[QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".RiSkyBiZ-13
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
Obama supporters will see nothing wrong in this. Had the pastor been McCains they be singing a different tune. Just the way the majority of people operate. For myself, it was one of the factors that decided my vote. First time I have to vote against a Democrat in the presidential election.[QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".RiSkyBiZ-13
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
The KKK is unilaterally based around hating another group of people. The institution you're comparing it to is a church, which is based around following a religious ideology. There are PLENTY of church goers who don't agree with everything their pastor says. It was a lapse in judgement for Obama to stay at the church, but it does not prove he is racist in any capacity.who cares? you actually think it would make a blind bit of difference which president america gets next? never makes a difference, our system is far too flawedpete_merlinWhat? Our system is perfect!
who cares? you actually think it would make a blind bit of difference which president america gets next? never makes a difference, our system is far too flawedpete_merlinWould you prefer dictators?
Meh....his political ideas are enough of a reason not to vote for him. Though I do question his character....and his choice of "friends".LJS9502_basic
you have said before that you're a democrat. so it must be saying a lot if you don't want to vote for him.
[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".bman784
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
The KKK is unilaterally based around hating another group of people. The institution you're comparing it to is a church, which is based around following a religious ideology. There are PLENTY of church goers who don't agree with everything their pastor says. It was a lapse in judgement for Obama to stay at the church, but it does not prove he is racist in any capacity.So a pastor that does nothing but spew hatred against whites and America was allowed by Obama to perform his marriage ceremony... sure, it doesn't mean anything. Again, the excuses are hilarious. Please keep them coming.
[QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".RiSkyBiZ-13
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
except that KKK =/= church, and the KKK doesnt exactly specialise in economics...
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Meh....his political ideas are enough of a reason not to vote for him. Though I do question his character....and his choice of "friends".dissonantblack
you have said before that you're a democrat. so it must be saying a lot if you don't want to vote for him.
Yes.....this election depresses me.:(I [QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".smarb001
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
except that KKK =/= church, and the KKK doesnt exactly specialise in economics...
Used that as an example, whites don't have a church that spews hatred against blacks.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".RiSkyBiZ-13
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
The KKK is unilaterally based around hating another group of people. The institution you're comparing it to is a church, which is based around following a religious ideology. There are PLENTY of church goers who don't agree with everything their pastor says. It was a lapse in judgement for Obama to stay at the church, but it does not prove he is racist in any capacity.So a pastor that does nothing but spew hatred against whites and America was allowed by Obama to perform his marriage ceremony... sure, it doesn't mean anything. Again, the excuses are hilarious. Please keep them coming.
He does nothing but spew hatred? If I recall, it's a church. There is a likely chance that there is some religious discussion thrown in among the hate spewing. I never implied it doesn't mean anything. I'm implying that it doesn't specifically prove that Obama is a closet racist. You can make any character judgements you want based on the attendance of this church, but claiming obama is a racist is just silly. The appeal to ridicule doesn't help your case.[QUOTE="dissonantblack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Meh....his political ideas are enough of a reason not to vote for him. Though I do question his character....and his choice of "friends".LJS9502_basic
you have said before that you're a democrat. so it must be saying a lot if you don't want to vote for him.
Yes.....this election depresses me.:([/QUOTE You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl Rowe[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".bman784
I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?
The KKK is unilaterally based around hating another group of people. The institution you're comparing it to is a church, which is based around following a religious ideology. There are PLENTY of church goers who don't agree with everything their pastor says. It was a lapse in judgement for Obama to stay at the church, but it does not prove he is racist in any capacity.So a pastor that does nothing but spew hatred against whites and America was allowed by Obama to perform his marriage ceremony... sure, it doesn't mean anything. Again, the excuses are hilarious. Please keep them coming.
He does nothing but spew hatred? If I recall, it's a church. There is a likely chance that there is some religious discussion thrown in among the hate spewing. I never implied it doesn't mean anything. I'm implying that it doesn't specifically prove that Obama is a closet racist. You can make any character judgements you want based on the attendance of this church, but claiming obama is a racist is just silly. The appeal to ridicule doesn't help your case.Did you even watch that video? Did you read anything that his pastor preached? For 20 years?! Even in the UNLIKELY event that Obama didn't agree with those views, he still not only tolerated them but supported them by staying with that pastor.
You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl RowedelolTwo choices.....I'm not Republican and I don't believe in many of their ideals. And I don't like Obama AT ALL.
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