Obama's a RACIST

Yea this guy looks reeeeeeeeeeal patriotic.

Remember this quote?

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." -- Hillary Clinton

[QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl RoweLJS9502_basic

Two choices.....I'm not Republican and I don't believe in many of their ideals. And I don't like Obama AT ALL.

He's not easily depressed, he obviously just doesn't unconditionally and blindly follow every potential leader in his chosen political side. It means he's intelligent, I suggest you look further into candidates than following them no matter what.

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[QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".RiSkyBiZ-13

I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?

except that KKK =/= church, and the KKK doesnt exactly specialise in economics...

Used that as an example, whites don't have a church that spews hatred against blacks.

Well thats just baptists :P.

Catholics for example don't have white or black churches like baptists.

The problem is that people seem to go out of their way to look for things to be offended by.Trickshot771

Out of their way? Yeah.. it took a LOT of digging to find his church of over 20 years...

[QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl RoweLJS9502_basic

Did you even watch that video? Did you read anything that his pastor preached? For 20 years?! Even in the UNLIKELY event that Obama didn't agree with those views, he still not only tolerated them but supported them by staying with that pastor.

RiSkyBiZ-13

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl RoweRiSkyBiZ-13

Two choices.....I'm not Republican and I don't believe in many of their ideals. And I don't like Obama AT ALL.

He's not easily depressed, he obviously just doesn't unconditionally and blindly follow every potential leader in his chosen political side. It means he's intelligent, I suggest you look further into candidates than following them no matter what.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl Rowedelol

I've seen all of the inflammatory pieces. Some of it isn't as bad as people make it seem, and is simply sharp social commentary, while some of it is clear hatred against whites. It ranges in that sense. It seems like the 20 years argument is thrown around often, but there certainly aren't twenty years worth of sermons to analyze, leading me to believe that much of the perception of this pastor is exaggerated. There is clearly more to consider than just the controversial statements; namely the spiritual aspects of the church that Obama agreed with. The pastor is clearly inflammatory, and there is certainly a question as to why Obama stayed, but given the evidence, it can't be explicitly claimed that Obama is a racist. Especially when that statement is so contrary to the views on race that he has demonstrated.bman784

You're assuming a lot simply because we don't have his 20 years of sermons recorded. Sure, these don't seem to be as bad as "people make them," crazy people and their crazy imaginations. "The US of KKK" isn't anything bad, it's totally acceptable. So are these:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost." (Sep 2001)

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme." (2003)

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." (magazine article)

"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God." (sermon)

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a **** Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty." (sermon)

"The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl Rowedelol

Two choices.....I'm not Republican and I don't believe in many of their ideals. And I don't like Obama AT ALL.

He's not easily depressed, he obviously just doesn't unconditionally and blindly follow every potential leader in his chosen political side. It means he's intelligent, I suggest you look further into candidates than following them no matter what.

p.s. it's spelled ally.

[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl RoweRiSkyBiZ-13

Two choices.....I'm not Republican and I don't believe in many of their ideals. And I don't like Obama AT ALL.

He's not easily depressed, he obviously just doesn't unconditionally and blindly follow every potential leader in his chosen political side. It means he's intelligent, I suggest you look further into candidates than following them no matter what.

p.s. it's spelled ally.

[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl RoweLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="bman784"]I've seen all of the inflammatory pieces. Some of it isn't as bad as people make it seem, and is simply sharp social commentary, while some of it is clear hatred against whites. It ranges in that sense. It seems like the 20 years argument is thrown around often, but there certainly aren't twenty years worth of sermons to analyze, leading me to believe that much of the perception of this pastor is exaggerated. There is clearly more to consider than just the controversial statements; namely the spiritual aspects of the church that Obama agreed with. The pastor is clearly inflammatory, and there is certainly a question as to why Obama stayed, but given the evidence, it can't be explicitly claimed that Obama is a racist. Especially when that statement is so contrary to the views on race that he has demonstrated.RiSkyBiZ-13

You're assuming a lot simply because we don't have his 20 years of sermons recorded. Sure, these don't seem to be as bad as "people make them," crazy people and their crazy imaginations. "The US of KKK" isn't anything bad, it's totally acceptable. So are these:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye." Social Commentary

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost." (Sep 2001) Social Commentary

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme." (2003) Social Commentary

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." (magazine article) Slight racial bias.

"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God." (sermon) Racial bias.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a **** Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

Racial bias.

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty." (sermon) Political commentary.

"The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism." Political commentary.

I don't see how he can be racist to what you're trying to make it out to be. Isn't he half black & half caucassion?

I don't see how he can be racist to what you're trying to make it out to be. Isn't he half black & half caucassion?

Truth_Seekr

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I don't see how he can be racist to what you're trying to make it out to be. Isn't he half black & half caucassion?

LJS9502_basic

Just to clarify, I never said it had to do with genetics. lol It's not like he's following his gene's orders. Simply said that because to me, he'd be racist/prejudice to his multicolored family.

Yea this guy looks reeeeeeeeeeal patriotic.

Remember this quote?

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." -- Hillary Clinton

Sam_Lowery

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

I don't see how he can be racist to what you're trying to make it out to be. Isn't he half black & half caucassion?

Truth_Seekr

Just to clarify, I never said it had to do with genetics. lol It's not like he's following his gene's orders. Simply said that because to me, he'd be racist/prejudice to his multicolored family.

Wow...the ignorance here astounds me.

You DO know that just about every single african american church has had a sermon like this right? Ask me, I've heard plenty of them (i am black). Does that make ME a racist? Please say yes, I dare you.

Am I to really assume that every white church in america has NEVER had atleast one sermon that even mentions the government in a bad way?

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

I don't see how he can be racist to what you're trying to make it out to be. Isn't he half black & half caucassion?

LJS9502_basic

Just to clarify, I never said it had to do with genetics. lol It's not like he's following his gene's orders. Simply said that because to me, he'd be racist/prejudice to his multicolored family.

I know there can be and that there are, but I doubt this guy is that stupid or narrow minded. What's your point?

Obama's half white? I learn something new every day

Am I the only one disturbed by Barack Obama's obviously anti-white, anti-American background? I never see anyone questioning it, challenging it, only (oddly enough) ignoring it.

For example, Barack has attended a church spewing hate against whites, he attended that church for 20 YEARS!! His pastor condemns America, blames America for 9/11, calling us "less than human," saying the US is influenced by the "KKK," it's really amazing... and scary. This pastor is the one who married Barack, and has been deeply involved in Barack's life for 20 years. Don't believe me? Check it out. (video)

So, please tell me, why is this not a problem? I don't expect to change anyone's mind here, I'm just looking forward to the inevitable excuses everyone's about to make for Obama. This should be entertaining.RiSkyBiZ-13

I don't know much about the Reverand but he probably speaks more sense and truth than most Americans do.

Meh....his political ideas are enough of a reason not to vote for him. Though I do question his character....and his choice of "friends".LJS9502_basic

I agree.

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[QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".LJS9502_basic

I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?

Yeah it's because the media wants him to win. Everytime something bad comes out about him, they WILL NOT report it because then it will hurt his chances of winning. The media is going to do everything they can to make sure he wins. America has such a great and fair media....

I know there can be and that there are, but I doubt this guy is that stupid or narrow minded. What's your point?

Truth_Seekr

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

I don't see how he can be racist to what you're trying to make it out to be. Isn't he half black & half caucassion?

LJS9502_basic

Just to clarify, I never said it had to do with genetics. lol It's not like he's following his gene's orders. Simply said that because to me, he'd be racist/prejudice to his multicolored family.

I know there can be and that there are, but I doubt this guy is that stupid or narrow minded. What's your point?

lol I never said I knew him nor am I speaking for him. All I said "I doubt he's that stupid or narrow minded", it's possible that he might be though.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]This argument makes about 20 too many assumptions to be valid. Obama hasn't said anything explicitly racist, and has promoted racial unity. That in an of itself makes the racism argument void. Attending an institution does not mean that you are required to dogmatically accept everything that is said by that institution. Obama has stated that he agrees with Wright on spiritual issues, but not on political issues. There are a plethora of explanations for why he stayed at this church that make more sense than "because he's a closet racist".xSIZEMATTER

I'll use my example again. If Mccain was a member of the KKK for 20 years, then all of a sudden (before his campaign) renounced it, by YOUR logic it wouldn't be a problem. Only if he said "I agreed with them on financial ideals but nothing race-related" it would by a-okay. Find me a churchgoer that attends a faith for 20 years and doesn't buy into everything they say?

Yeah it's because the media wants him to win. Everytime something bad comes out about him, they WILL NOT report it because then it will hurt his chances of winning. The media is going to do everything they can to make sure he wins. America has such a great and fair media....

And everyone thinks that its only FOX news that is biased. They all are.

As a white male it's not a problem for many reasons. Mainly he is not Rev. Wright. 2nd we got the great youtube clips, but the man preached there for 20-30 years, were they all that inflammatory? 3. Some of his rantings are on spot, of course he'd spew out something like blaming the US for 9/11 which dilutes the fact he made a good point earlier. You are not your preacher. I have a close relationship with mine, but I'm an Atheist who thinks the Bible is mostly a fairy tale and he knows it, you never know how many times if any Barack talked with him, to discuss their different views. Obama's no racist.btaylor2404

As a white mal, I think it's a HUGE problem. For your 1st point, Rev. White was Obama's greatest influence for 20 years. A member of the KKK is just as bad as the Grand Wizard, because they're supporting the views. Obama attending that church for 20 years shows that not only did he tolerate those anti-white, anti-American views, he supported them. For you're 2nd point, you're assuming. You're basing an opinion that maybe every comment wasn't inflammatory. Well, guess what? Adolf Hitler didn't make ALL inflamatory comments, does that make him okay? Blaming the US for 9/11 is NOT on point. Why do we make excuses for murderers? Why not say that every kid that murder their parents are not to blame, it was the parents fault? As for not knowing how many times Barack talked to Rev. White... he let the pastor marry him! If my pastor spewed hatred against race and the country, I sure as hell wouldn't let him marry my wife and I!

Bull****

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]As a white male it's not a problem for many reasons. Mainly he is not Rev. Wright. 2nd we got the great youtube clips, but the man preached there for 20-30 years, were they all that inflammatory? 3. Some of his rantings are on spot, of course he'd spew out something like blaming the US for 9/11 which dilutes the fact he made a good point earlier. You are not your preacher. I have a close relationship with mine, but I'm an Atheist who thinks the Bible is mostly a fairy tale and he knows it, you never know how many times if any Barack talked with him, to discuss their different views. Obama's no racist.RiSkyBiZ-13

As a white mal, I think it's a HUGE problem. For your 1st point, Rev. White was Obama's greatest influence for 20 years. A member of the KKK is just as bad as the Grand Wizard, because they're supporting the views. Obama attending that church for 20 years shows that not only did he tolerate those anti-white, anti-American views, he supported them. For you're 2nd point, you're assuming. You're basing an opinion that maybe every comment wasn't inflammatory. Well, guess what? Adolf Hitler didn't make ALL inflamatory comments, does that make him okay? Blaming the US for 9/11 is NOT on point. Why do we make excuses for murderers? Why not say that every kid that murder their parents are not to blame, it was the parents fault? As for not knowing how many times Barack talked to Rev. White... he let the pastor marry him! If my pastor spewed hatred against race and the country, I sure as hell wouldn't let him marry my wife and I!

Blacks in this country do have a lot to be angry about, espically those of Rev. Wright's age. As I said, his 9/11 comment is bannanas. I'm assuming becasue I read the texts from 3 or 4 other sermons that I asked my pastor to get for me. They were run of the mill stuff, so I've seen 3 or 4 looney one's, 3 or 4 normal. So I figure it wasn't all inflamatory. And most importantly to me, Wright is not running for President, Obama is. If we all had our backgrounds splashed over the media I may look just fine, be a normal liberal Democrat, but if you drag a select few of my extended family members or friends, who I argue with all the time on various points, give them a mic, I'd be done. And so would 99.99% of us.

Many White people won't vote Barack simply because he is Black! I've even had people tell me.pspdseagle

Exactly.

This country needs help.

Wright and Clinton:

Wright and LBJ:

Letter thanking Rev. Wright:

Maybe everything is not like it seems...

This anti Obama campaign is assuming paranoid contours This thread is so far the nobel prize for human stupiditydelol

I agree.

[QUOTE="delol"]This anti Obama campaign is assuming paranoid contours This thread is so far the nobel prize for human stupidityRikusaki

I agree.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Many White people won't vote Barack simply because he is Black! I've even had people tell me.Rikusaki

Exactly.

This country needs help.

RiSkyBiZ-13, the KKK and Hitler (Godwin's Law) analogies show that you're not really interested in maintaining a reasonable dialogue. Wright's comments are not THAT bad, at least no where near engendering comparisons of that magnitude. As I said, the arguments against Obama on this issue have really become quite hyperbolic.bman784

Yeah, people are overreacting.

I haven't paid enough attention to see if anyone said this already, but here goes... This is old. Obama has the Democratic nomination. It didn't affect his campaign at all. Stop bringing it up because you don't have anything else to say. That is all.

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[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Many White people won't vote Barack simply because he is Black! I've even had people tell me.Setsa

Exactly.

This country needs help.

Not to mention that you usually get labeled as a racist if you don't want him to be president and happen to be white.

I haven't paid enough attention to see if anyone said this already, but here goes... This is old. Obama has the Democratic nomination. It didn't affect his campaign at all. Stop bringing it up because you don't have anything else to say. That is all.

scorch-62

Not to point out the obvious....but the election isn't over.:|