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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

wow...just wow....

Just the other day, a black man killed a white police officer in Maryland. The man was later strangled in jail, and civil rights activists rushed to defend this murderer. They didn't care that he killed a police officer, they feel that he was the victim of "racism." Imagine that.

the officer wasn't killed because he was white...he was killed because he was a cop :| that's why most officers in urban area's get killed...it's not race related...black cops die too :|
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#152 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

:|

I can agree are such thing as a racist black person. You can be racist no matter what skin color you are. But my god. That was such a disgusting statement.

Look I am not saying that all black men are murderers and rapist, but it is a fact that they commit high levels of crimes, especially targeted at whites.

most black people who commit crimes commit them against other black people :| stop talking out your ass boy.
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#153 jbz7890
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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.fat_rob

wow...just wow....

Just the other day, a black man killed a white police officer in Maryland. The man was later strangled in jail, and civil rights activists rushed to defend this murderer. They didn't care that he killed a police officer, they feel that he was the victim of "racism." Imagine that.

the officer wasn't killed because he was white...he was killed because he was a cop :| that's why most officers in urban area's get killed...it's not race related...black cops die too :|

What about the civil rights activist rushing to defend this cop-killer? They didn't care that a cop was murdered, but only that a black murderer was strangled in prison. That is racism.

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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]I wouldn't doubt that he's racist, but I don't care, if he ever actually showed it, he wouldn't be president for long.RiSkyBiZ-13

is a racist still bad if they never act on it?

If they never act on it I don't see a difference.

We're not talking about your average joe, this guy is going to run the country- about to be the most powerful man in the world. Hardly a spot for a closet racist.

Hmmm....

LMFAO, Bush doesn't care about black people... WOW! Those morons were warned and warned to evacuate the city, and wouldn't. They knew what was going to happen, and they just sat there. Then, instead of pulling together and surviving, they started murdering eachother, raping women, and burglarizing EVERYTHING!! That video fails.

Georgia...bush
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[QUOTE="jbz7890"][QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.fat_rob

:|

I can agree are such thing as a racist black person. You can be racist no matter what skin color you are. But my god. That was such a disgusting statement.

Look I am not saying that all black men are murderers and rapist, but it is a fact that they commit high levels of crimes, especially targeted at whites.

most black people who commit crimes commit them against other black people :| stop talking out your ass boy.

Black people still commit a lot more violent crimes against whites, then the other way around.

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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]I wouldn't doubt that he's racist, but I don't care, if he ever actually showed it, he wouldn't be president for long.fat_rob

is a racist still bad if they never act on it?

If they never act on it I don't see a difference.

We're not talking about your average joe, this guy is going to run the country- about to be the most powerful man in the world. Hardly a spot for a closet racist.

Hmmm....

LMFAO, Bush doesn't care about black people... WOW! Those morons were warned and warned to evacuate the city, and wouldn't. They knew what was going to happen, and they just sat there. Then, instead of pulling together and surviving, they started murdering eachother, raping women, and burglarizing EVERYTHING!! That video fails.

Georgia...bush

You actually care what a guy who can barely speak English says?

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#157 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

wow...just wow....

Just the other day, a black man killed a white police officer in Maryland. The man was later strangled in jail, and civil rights activists rushed to defend this murderer. They didn't care that he killed a police officer, they feel that he was the victim of "racism." Imagine that.

the officer wasn't killed because he was white...he was killed because he was a cop :| that's why most officers in urban area's get killed...it's not race related...black cops die too :|

What about the civil rights activist rushing to defend this cop-killer? They didn't care that a cop was murdered, but only that a black murderer was strangled in prison. That is racism.

not really...it has more to do with the community's problem with police officers...cops in urban areas are seen as the enemy by a lot of people...it's not a race thing honestly...
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#158 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"][QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

:|

I can agree are such thing as a racist black person. You can be racist no matter what skin color you are. But my god. That was such a disgusting statement.

Look I am not saying that all black men are murderers and rapist, but it is a fact that they commit high levels of crimes, especially targeted at whites.

most black people who commit crimes commit them against other black people :| stop talking out your ass boy.

Black people still commit a lot more violent crimes against whites, then the other way around.

I think you would enjoy posting on stormfront...blacks are committing more crimes in general...but the rate of black on black crime trumps all crime rates period...stop acting like this is some vast racial conspiracy
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His book excerpts didn't help.
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[QUOTE="jbz7890"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.fat_rob

wow...just wow....

Just the other day, a black man killed a white police officer in Maryland. The man was later strangled in jail, and civil rights activists rushed to defend this murderer. They didn't care that he killed a police officer, they feel that he was the victim of "racism." Imagine that.

the officer wasn't killed because he was white...he was killed because he was a cop :| that's why most officers in urban area's get killed...it's not race related...black cops die too :|

What about the civil rights activist rushing to defend this cop-killer? They didn't care that a cop was murdered, but only that a black murderer was strangled in prison. That is racism.

not really...it has more to do with the community's problem with police officers...cops in urban areas are seen as the enemy by a lot of people...it's not a race thing honestly...

Yeah they are enemies because they fight drug traffickers and arrest thieves and murderers.

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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]I wouldn't doubt that he's racist, but I don't care, if he ever actually showed it, he wouldn't be president for long.jbz7890

is a racist still bad if they never act on it?

If they never act on it I don't see a difference.

We're not talking about your average joe, this guy is going to run the country- about to be the most powerful man in the world. Hardly a spot for a closet racist.

Hmmm....

LMFAO, Bush doesn't care about black people... WOW! Those morons were warned and warned to evacuate the city, and wouldn't. They knew what was going to happen, and they just sat there. Then, instead of pulling together and surviving, they started murdering eachother, raping women, and burglarizing EVERYTHING!! That video fails.

Georgia...bush

You actually care what a guy who can barely speak English says?

:lol: nope, just posting videos
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#162 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

wow...just wow....

Just the other day, a black man killed a white police officer in Maryland. The man was later strangled in jail, and civil rights activists rushed to defend this murderer. They didn't care that he killed a police officer, they feel that he was the victim of "racism." Imagine that.

the officer wasn't killed because he was white...he was killed because he was a cop :| that's why most officers in urban area's get killed...it's not race related...black cops die too :|

What about the civil rights activist rushing to defend this cop-killer? They didn't care that a cop was murdered, but only that a black murderer was strangled in prison. That is racism.

not really...it has more to do with the community's problem with police officers...cops in urban areas are seen as the enemy by a lot of people...it's not a race thing honestly...

Yeah they are enemies because they fight drug traffickers and arrest thieves and murderers.

yeah...that's all they do
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

:|

I can agree are such thing as a racist black person. You can be racist no matter what skin color you are. But my god. That was such a disgusting statement.

Look I am not saying that all black men are murderers and rapist, but it is a fact that they commit high levels of crimes, especially targeted at whites.

And you think that is disgusting? Look at this video of a black man who is calling to "exterminate white people." The other black man on the show does NOT denounce what he says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DVKfOQRCSc

So there's a crazy black guy who hates whites. There also crazy racist Whites, Asians, Middle Easterns etc. The Cooko's always make the news.

The fact is you shouldn't fight racism with throwing racism back. It only gets worsts.

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I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890
Misinformed statements like these are the reason why race is even an issue in this election.
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#165 majadamus
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It is possible that Barack Obama is Muslim.
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Quite frankly, I don't think Rev. Wright shaped Obama's views at all. If it's anyone who made what Obama is today, it's his mother, not some pastor.
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I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.jbz7890

Boy do you think before you post? That comment almost made me feel sick..

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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.Jacboy71

Boy do you think before you post? That comment almost made me feel sick..

starts out with a good point, then blow it all off. *facepalm* i just feel disgusted by all these videos. race,race,race, were all freakin human! fighting because of political disputes, can understand if one of the sides is completely crazy (refering to communism and nazism), but RACE? think a bit of my soul died seeing these vids. regarding the topic: "a good politician is a man who can talk for an hour without saying anything". i would call Obama a very good politician
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#169 Dreams-Visions
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It is possible that Barack Obama is Muslim. majadamus
No, it's not,
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[QUOTE="majadamus"]It is possible that Barack Obama is Muslim. Dreams-Visions
No, it's not,

Because he says he isn't? Yeah politicians always tell the truth...

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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]I am amazed how people are under the assumption that only white people can be racist. Black people are actually more racist than whites. Many blacks hate white people and blame them for all of their problems. Its no wonder that every time you turn on the news you see that another black man has killed a white police officer or raped a white woman.bman784
Misinformed statements like these are the reason why race is even an issue in this election.

Indeed also I wish the guy on the second page would elaborate those un polite words for black people.

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="majadamus"]It is possible that Barack Obama is Muslim. jbz7890

No, it's not,

Because he says he isn't? Yeah politicians always tell the truth...

In that case, it's possible that you're a muslim.

He said he's not. He's been at the same church for 20 years along with his wife and kids.

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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="majadamus"]It is possible that Barack Obama is Muslim. Dreams-Visions

No, it's not,

Because he says he isn't? Yeah politicians always tell the truth...

In that case, it's possible that you're a muslim.

He said he's not. He's been at the same church for 20 years along with his wife and kids.

Jeremiah Wright used to be a Muslim and his "church" doesn't seem very Christian. Its a black nationalist chruch, which usually means that it is muslim, since black nationalists believe that Islam is the true religion for Africans.

And it really doesn't matter if he is a muslim, he has no experience and is far too liberal to be president.

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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="majadamus"]It is possible that Barack Obama is Muslim. Dreams-Visions

No, it's not,

Because he says he isn't? Yeah politicians always tell the truth...

In that case, it's possible that you're a muslim.

He said he's not. He's been at the same church for 20 years along with his wife and kids.

His wife who has never been proud of America and refers to white people as "whities"

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[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Many White people won't vote Barack simply because he is Black! I've even had people tell me.Rikusaki

Exactly.

This country needs help.

well, wtf? Some people will only vote for obama because he IS black. Some will only vote for him cause hes a democrat, some will only vote for him maybe cause hell have a woman vice president (IF hilary is his running mate) the list goes on.

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Barack Obama:

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."


Sizing up the man who would become his boss, his first job after college: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe, and white."

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Obama also tells a story about taking two white friends to a "black party" in highschool. The boys readily accepted. At the party, they managed not to scream the N-word, but instead "made some small talk, took a couple of the girls out on the dance floor."

But with his racial hair-trigger, Obama sensed the whites were not comfortable because "they kept smiling a lot." And then, they asked the whites to leave after spending an hour or so at the party.

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I don't see how it could be possible at all considering he had a white mother and was raised by his WHITE grandparents. Give me a break, it's not like he would just disregard all that and turn to the "dark" side. Psychologically you can tell he's a while guy,and you can see some whiteness in him physically since after all he's half white. (Why does everyone keep calling him black when he's only half black?)
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Barack Obama:

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."


Sizing up the man who would become his boss, his first job after college: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe, and white."

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Obama also tells a story about taking two white friends to a "black party" in highschool. The boys readily accepted. At the party, they managed not to scream the N-word, but instead "made some small talk, took a couple of the girls out on the dance floor."

But with his racial hair-trigger, Obama sensed the whites were not comfortable because "they kept smiling a lot." And then, they asked the whites to leave after spending an hour or so at the party.

Etheral_Filcher
These are descriptions of his childhood as a black kid in the 70s. There wasn't any racial tension back then, right?
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[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

Barack Obama:

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."


Sizing up the man who would become his boss, his first job after college: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe, and white."

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Obama also tells a story about taking two white friends to a "black party" in highschool. The boys readily accepted. At the party, they managed not to scream the N-word, but instead "made some small talk, took a couple of the girls out on the dance floor."

But with his racial hair-trigger, Obama sensed the whites were not comfortable because "they kept smiling a lot." And then, they asked the whites to leave after spending an hour or so at the party.

bman784

These are descriptions of his childhood as a black kid in the 70s. There wasn't any racial tension back then, right?

Don't shoot the messenger. All I did was quote, and paraphrase a story from his book.

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

Barack Obama:

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."


Sizing up the man who would become his boss, his first job after college: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe, and white."

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Obama also tells a story about taking two white friends to a "black party" in highschool. The boys readily accepted. At the party, they managed not to scream the N-word, but instead "made some small talk, took a couple of the girls out on the dance floor."

But with his racial hair-trigger, Obama sensed the whites were not comfortable because "they kept smiling a lot." And then, they asked the whites to leave after spending an hour or so at the party.

Etheral_Filcher

These are descriptions of his childhood as a black kid in the 70s. There wasn't any racial tension back then, right?

Don't shoot the messenger. All I did was quote, and paraphrase a story from his book.

Ah, but the messenger is responding to a thread in which evidence is being presented in an attempt to establish the fact that Obama is racist. Seeing as these are not conducive to such a purpose..."archers at the ready!"....
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If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

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In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.
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The evidence is evidence. I have no agenda, except to educate. Many have heard Obama's speeches on unity and tolerance on TV, but few have read his books.

Of course, these quotes are out of context, but they accurately illustrate one of Obama's messages in his book.

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#183 Etheral_Filcher
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If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

bman784

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

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#184 bman784
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The evidence is evidence. I have no agenda, except to educate. Many have heard Obama's speeches on unity and tolerance on TV, but few have read his books.

Of course, these quotes are out of context, but they accurately illustrate one of Obama's messages in his book.

Etheral_Filcher
I've read his books. These don't illustrate any of his "messages". They illustrate his childhood experiences. It's not accurate to say that his childhood views translate to his current views. Far from it.
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Ah, but the messenger is responding to a thread in which evidence is being presented in an attempt to establish the fact that Obama is racist. Seeing as these are not conducive to such a purpose..."archers at the ready!"....bman784
Political spin.....
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#186 bman784
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

Etheral_Filcher

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.
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#187 Etheral_Filcher
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[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

bman784

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory. You said, "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

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That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsbraindead_hero
like how we ended your mess in europe? like how we created AIDS? excellent arguements
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#189 bman784
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

Etheral_Filcher

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory: "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

I'll restate that I don't condone, but rather understand the thought of racism for a child experiencing a great deal hosility for racial reasons. Saying I condone racism outright is twisting my argument. I don't know how you can honestly level a personal argument using childhood quotes from his books, and can't understand why he would have such feelings in the first place. You should really read some more literature on the civil rights era if you think that those quotes are grounds for condemnation.
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#190 Jacboy71
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

Etheral_Filcher

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory. You said, "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

SO....much.....fail....

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#191 Etheral_Filcher
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[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

bman784

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory: "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

I'll restate that I don't condone, but rather understand the thought of racism for a child experiencing a great deal hosility for racial reasons. Saying I condone racism outright is twisting my argument. I don't know how you can honestly level a personal argument using childhood quotes from his books, and can't understand why he would have such feelings in the first place. You should really read some more literature on the civil rights era if you think that those quotes are grounds for condemnation.

You can restate all you want. You cleary said racist feelings were justifiable, and I'm not twisting your argument. If you so vehemently oppose what you said, why don't you withdraw your previous comment to eliminate such a gross contradiction?

Where did I "level a personal argument" against Obama? Where did I say I couldn't emapthize with his feelings? Where did I say those qoutes were grounds for "condemnation"?

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[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

Jacboy71

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory. You said, "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

SO....much.....fail....

Come back to me when your flawed argument isn't heavily pervaded with irrational thoughts and feelings.

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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

Etheral_Filcher

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory: "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

I'll restate that I don't condone, but rather understand the thought of racism for a child experiencing a great deal hosility for racial reasons. Saying I condone racism outright is twisting my argument. I don't know how you can honestly level a personal argument using childhood quotes from his books, and can't understand why he would have such feelings in the first place. You should really read some more literature on the civil rights era if you think that those quotes are grounds for condemnation.

You can restate all you want. You cleary said racist feelings were justifiable, and I'm not twisting your argument. If you so vehemently oppose what you said, why don't you withdraw your previous comment to eliminate such a gross contradiction?

Where did I "level a personal argument" against Obama? Where did I say I couldn't emapthize with his feelings? Where did I say those qoutes were grounds for "condemnation"?

Alrightly. For the sake of semantics I repeal my previous shortened statement, and say that I don't condone, but rather understand why a black kid growing up in 70's would harbor racist feeling, and I don't hold it against them. That's basically the same thing I originally said. I don't condone racism, but I think its motivations in some situations shouldn't be necessarily condemned. It's not nearly as black and white as you wish to portray it. And if your original quotes had no specified purpose or condemnation (as in the implication that Obama is racist: the point of the thread) they had no point whatsoever. Congratulations.
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You can restate all you want. You cleary said racist feelings were justifiable, and I'm not twisting your argument. If you so vehemently oppose what you said, why don't you withdraw your previous comment to eliminate such a gross contradiction?

Where did I "level a personal argument" against Obama? Where did I say I couldn't emapthize with his feelings? Where did I say those qoutes were grounds for "condemnation"?

Etheral_Filcher

Condoning and understanding are two different things. I understand what Hitler was trying to do, but I don't condone it.

As a human you obviously have feels and you know feelings of racism exist, like it or not. You know certain situations would breed racism/discrimination from others. You know why a person would be bitter towards a group/race, but you don't condone it. You understand why they feel the way they do, but you don't say "It's acceptable"

I could understand why a mother gets ticked off sometimes, but I don't condone her beating her child

It's a simple concept

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#196 Etheral_Filcher
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[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

If it was the 70's and a white was being racist, would that be justified too?

bman784

In this day an age it's difficult to justify racism from either group, but back when open discrimination against blacks was still very prevalent, I'd say it's justifiable for a black kid to harbor suspicious or racist feeling against white people.

That's where we differ. You condone racism, I do not.

That's a pretty big strawman saying that I condone racism. You think that every black person who lived during the civil rights era/post civil rights era should have harbored peachy, happy thoughts towards those who discriminated against them? I consider your standards to be highly unrealistic.

You clearly condone racism, and me saying so is not a "big straw" based on what you said in your previous post. Let me jog your memory: "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor suspicion or RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

I never said blacks during the 70's should be "peachy," but I did say they shouldn't be racist. Last time I checked not being racist =/= being unrealistically happy.

I'll restate that I don't condone, but rather understand the thought of racism for a child experiencing a great deal hosility for racial reasons. Saying I condone racism outright is twisting my argument. I don't know how you can honestly level a personal argument using childhood quotes from his books, and can't understand why he would have such feelings in the first place. You should really read some more literature on the civil rights era if you think that those quotes are grounds for condemnation.

You can restate all you want. You cleary said racist feelings were justifiable, and I'm not twisting your argument. If you so vehemently oppose what you said, why don't you withdraw your previous comment to eliminate such a gross contradiction?

Where did I "level a personal argument" against Obama? Where did I say I couldn't emapthize with his feelings? Where did I say those qoutes were grounds for "condemnation"?

Alrightly. For the sake of semantics I repeal my previous shortened statement, and say that I don't condone, but rather understand why a black kid growing up in 70's would harbor racist feeling, and I don't hold it against them. That's basically the same thing I originally said. I don't condone racism, but I think its motivations in some situations shouldn't be necessarily condemned. It's not nearly as black and white as you wish to portray it. And if your original quotes had no specified purpose or condemnation (as in the implication that Obama is racist: the point of the thread) they had no point whatsoever. Congratulations.

I don't hold their feelings against them either, and it is easy for me to empathize with black feelings and sentiments during the 70's, seeing as how my father and his side of the family were black and lived through the 70's.

The quotes I posted had multiple points. They let people see how Obama thought as a child, and they were intended to act as good bait. Mission accomplished.

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#197 Etheral_Filcher
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[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"]

You can restate all you want. You cleary said racist feelings were justifiable, and I'm not twisting your argument. If you so vehemently oppose what you said, why don't you withdraw your previous comment to eliminate such a gross contradiction?

Where did I "level a personal argument" against Obama? Where did I say I couldn't emapthize with his feelings? Where did I say those qoutes were grounds for "condemnation"?

DivergeUnify

Condoning and understanding are two different things. I understand what Hitler was trying to do, but I don't condone it.

As a human you obviously have feels and you know feelings of racism exist, like it or not. You know certain situations would breed racism/discrimination from others. You know why a person would be bitter towards a group/race, but you don't condone it. You understand why they feel the way they do, but you don't say "It's acceptable"

I understand why my mom gets angry sometimes, but I don't condone the extent of her anger.

It's a simple concept

I understand what you said, but I do not understand why you felt it was necessary to say it. He clearly said (and I quote) "I'd say it's JUSTIFIABLE for a black kid to harbor ... RACIST FEELINGINGS against white people."

Last time I checked, if you justify something you excuse it. If you excuse it, you condone it. So, it could be said that he condones racism, but he has withdrawn that comment because he did not mean it.

I assume he meant "understandable", not "justifiable." If so, I fully agree.

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[QUOTE="braindead_hero"]That reverand does make some fairly decent argumentsDivergeUnify
like how we ended your mess in europe? like how we created AIDS? excellent arguements

like how japanese were sent to internment camps while geman americans were left alone?
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Since when does seeing america's flaws make him a bad candidate? That means he can work on improving america and getting rid of its flaws. Its better than all the "God bless america, we're the best country in the world" atitude that most american presidents have.
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Obama's a RACISTSRiSkyBiZ-13

So what if he really is? Noboody cares because it's evident that he is a douchebag Anyway.