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#1 indzman
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The charges relate to alleged forced miscarriages suffered by one victim.

Ariel Castro, 52, was arraigned in court earlier for the kidnap and rape of Amanda Berry, 27, Gina DeJesus, 23 and Michelle Knight, 32.

Ms Berry escaped on Monday and was able to raise the alarm.

Cuyahoga County prosecutor Tim McGinty said the murder charges were based on evidence from one of the women held captive in Mr Castro's house that he had impregnated her, then physically abused and starved her in order to induce miscarriages.

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Does this man deserve to be executed or locked up OT?

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Locked up in prison and solitary confinement for life should do, maybe even tortured to see how he likes it.
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he deserves to get raped by mandingo for many years and then hanged, drawn and quatered

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#4 indzman
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Locked up in prison and solitary confinement for life should do Toph_Girl250

i agree

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#5 Sajo7
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That is excessive, not to mention petty.
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#6 chessmaster1989
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If the dude is guilty they should lock him up and throw away the key.
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#7 ad1x2
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Anybody who supports the death penalty probably thinks that he should die while anybody who is against the death penalty probably wants him locked up for life. Personally, I just want him put in a deep, dark cell and forgotten about since he pretty much did that to the women when he wasn't using them to relieve his boner.
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Yep execution is reasonable
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he deserves to get raped by mandingo for many years and then hanged, drawn and quatered

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Yeah, let him suffer a bit before he dies. He definitely does not deserve life.
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He should be sentenced to life in solitary.

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That is excessive, not to mention petty.Sajo7
This....
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The biggest problem I have with this is the continued double standard used regarding fetuses as people. It's legal status as a person should not change based on who ended it's existence.
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The biggest problem I have with this is the continued double standard used regarding fetuses as people. It's legal status as a person should not change based on who ended it's existence.mattbbpl
Abortion is about the woman's right to decide to terminate a pregnancy and no one else.
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#14 Slashless
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imo, the death penalty wouldn't even be satisfying. It's too easy. The guy should live in solitary for life, truly a hell, and a fitting punishment for the sick bastard.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]The biggest problem I have with this is the continued double standard used regarding fetuses as people. It's legal status as a person should not change based on who ended it's existence.LJS9502_basic
Abortion is about the woman's right to decide to terminate a pregnancy and no one else.

I'm not arguing with that. Nor do I think that it should carry no punishment. But it can't be abortion when the woman does it and murder when someone else does it, as one relies on the concept of the fetus being part of the woman's body while the other relies on the concept of it being a person.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]The biggest problem I have with this is the continued double standard used regarding fetuses as people. It's legal status as a person should not change based on who ended it's existence.mattbbpl
Abortion is about the woman's right to decide to terminate a pregnancy and no one else.

I'm not arguing with that. Nor do I think that it should carry no punishment. But it can't be abortion when the woman does it and murder when someone else does it, as one relies on the concept of the fetus being part of the woman's body while the other relies on the concept of it being a person.

Yes it can. If the woman wants her child and someone deliberately causes that loss they can legally be charged. And abortion is more or less based on legality.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Abortion is about the woman's right to decide to terminate a pregnancy and no one else.

I'm not arguing with that. Nor do I think that it should carry no punishment. But it can't be abortion when the woman does it and murder when someone else does it, as one relies on the concept of the fetus being part of the woman's body while the other relies on the concept of it being a person.

Yes it can. If the woman wants her child and someone deliberately causes that loss they can legally be charged. And abortion is more or less based on legality.

OK, you seem to have thought through your opinion to a decent degree, but I'm not seeing your logical connection. Walk me through it. How do you rationalize considering a fetus a person or not based on who ended it's existence?
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This reminds me of the raped girl in India back in December 2012, which was also horrifying and awful. I think women started protesting and fighting to get treated better after hearing that incident, though I'm not sure if this was only exclusive for the women in India. Well, either way, if they heard about this case, I'm sure that will tack on another good reason to protest, even though this didn't happen in India. Something's telling me though that both women in India and America and maybe some other countries, are pitching in and helping each other out for this cause. I don't blame them for protesting, I'm all for it. This madness needs to stop.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I'm not arguing with that. Nor do I think that it should carry no punishment. But it can't be abortion when the woman does it and murder when someone else does it, as one relies on the concept of the fetus being part of the woman's body while the other relies on the concept of it being a person.

Yes it can. If the woman wants her child and someone deliberately causes that loss they can legally be charged. And abortion is more or less based on legality.

OK, you seem to have thought through your opinion to a decent degree, but I'm not seeing your logical connection. Walk me through it. How do you rationalize considering a fetus a person or not based on who ended it's existence?

The idea is that the fetus is considered a person, but that the woman's right to her body supersedes the fetus's right to life.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I'm not arguing with that. Nor do I think that it should carry no punishment. But it can't be abortion when the woman does it and murder when someone else does it, as one relies on the concept of the fetus being part of the woman's body while the other relies on the concept of it being a person.

Yes it can. If the woman wants her child and someone deliberately causes that loss they can legally be charged. And abortion is more or less based on legality.

OK, you seem to have thought through your opinion to a decent degree, but I'm not seeing your logical connection. Walk me through it. How do you rationalize considering a fetus a person or not based on who ended it's existence?

The reason for the legality of abortion is woman's body...woman's choice. However, once the baby is viable abortion is no longer done. But it's not based nor was it based on it being a fetus...but a choice. Since the woman is the only one to make that choice.....do you think it would be okay to allow others to take that choice from her vis a vis forced miscarriage?
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why bother, it's too expensive and diddlers get it the worst from other prisoners in prison, being on death row is probably the easiest punishment for the crime
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yes it can. If the woman wants her child and someone deliberately causes that loss they can legally be charged. And abortion is more or less based on legality.

OK, you seem to have thought through your opinion to a decent degree, but I'm not seeing your logical connection. Walk me through it. How do you rationalize considering a fetus a person or not based on who ended it's existence?

The idea is that the fetus is considered a person, but that the woman's right to her body supersedes the fetus's right to life.

OK, makes sense in a way. But if that's the basis for the decision then wouldn't that pervade through the entire pregnancy?
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why bother, it's too expensive and diddlers get it the worst from other prisoners in prison, being on death row is probably the easiest punishment for the crimelamprey263
Eh general population works....
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] OK, you seem to have thought through your opinion to a decent degree, but I'm not seeing your logical connection. Walk me through it. How do you rationalize considering a fetus a person or not based on who ended it's existence?

The idea is that the fetus is considered a person, but that the woman's right to her body supersedes the fetus's right to life.

OK, makes sense in a way. But if that's the basis for the decision then wouldn't that pervade through the entire pregnancy?

Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] The idea is that the fetus is considered a person, but that the woman's right to her body supersedes the fetus's right to life.

OK, makes sense in a way. But if that's the basis for the decision then wouldn't that pervade through the entire pregnancy?

Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.

I mentioned that in my post. Guess he doesn't read my posts.:(
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] The idea is that the fetus is considered a person, but that the woman's right to her body supersedes the fetus's right to life.

OK, makes sense in a way. But if that's the basis for the decision then wouldn't that pervade through the entire pregnancy?

Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.

So the thought process is that if the woman wants it removed she can do so, but since it's viable it must be cared for?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] OK, makes sense in a way. But if that's the basis for the decision then wouldn't that pervade through the entire pregnancy?

Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.

I mentioned that in my post. Guess he doesn't read my posts.:(

Sorry LJ, that second post that I saw after I posted was difficult to discern your point from.

Glad to see you're just as charming as usual today.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.

I mentioned that in my post. Guess he doesn't read my posts.:(

Sorry LJ, that second post that I saw after I posted was difficult to discern your point from.

Glad to see you're just as charming as usual today.

WTF. Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] OK, makes sense in a way. But if that's the basis for the decision then wouldn't that pervade through the entire pregnancy?

Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.

So the thought process is that if the woman wants it removed she can do so, but since it's viable it must be cared for?

Pretty much. If it doesn't have to die in the process of removing it, then it shouldn't be killed.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I mentioned that in my post. Guess he doesn't read my posts.:(

Sorry LJ, that second post that I saw after I posted was difficult to discern your point from.

Glad to see you're just as charming as usual today.

WTF. Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

Actually, yes, I am particularly irritated today.

I'm not in the mood to put up with your little backhanded barbs. I thought we were having a pleasant conversation in which I was the one listening and taking in your point of view (which I actually appreciate. Thank you for that much as I now understand the logic behind the decision).
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Not really, if the fetus is viable to live outside the woman's body then an abortion shouldn't be allowed, since at that point (unless I'm mistaken) it could be delivered via c-section. The reason for the abortion is that the fetus wouldn't be viable even if you removed it.

So the thought process is that if the woman wants it removed she can do so, but since it's viable it must be cared for?

Pretty much. If it doesn't have to die in the process of removing it, then it shouldn't be killed.

Thank you for your input (and to LJ as well).
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Sorry LJ, that second post that I saw after I posted was difficult to discern your point from.

Glad to see you're just as charming as usual today.

WTF. Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

Actually, yes, I am particularly irritated today.

I'm not in the mood to put up with your little backhanded barbs. I thought we were having a pleasant conversation in which I was the one listening and taking in your point of view (which I actually appreciate. Thank you for that much as I now understand the logic behind the decision).

I didn't make any backhanded barb. I said you didn't read my post. You are an extremely sensitive individual. Damn.
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How could the death penalty be anything but revenge? It's never justice to take someones life... I don't understand how a rational human could call for such a thing... Justice should be making sure such a thing won't happen again... there are ways of doing that without state sanctioned murder...
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How could the death penalty be anything but revenge? It's never justice to take someones life... I don't understand how a rational human could call for such a thing... Justice should be making sure such a thing won't happen again... there are ways of doing that without state sanctioned murder...jeremiah06
It's not murder. The definition of murder is illegal killing. If it's state sanctioned...it's legal.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] WTF. Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

Actually, yes, I am particularly irritated today.

I'm not in the mood to put up with your little backhanded barbs. I thought we were having a pleasant conversation in which I was the one listening and taking in your point of view (which I actually appreciate. Thank you for that much as I now understand the logic behind the decision).

I didn't make any backhanded barb. I said you didn't read my post. You are an extremely sensitive individual. Damn.

Sigh... I apologize. Perhaps I am being overly sensitive.
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I say kill him.

But don't just execute him with a lethal injection or some bullshit like that. 

Throw him in an underground cell with no lights and no windows. Leave him there. Don't bring him any food or water. Just let him wither away and die. Send someone in a few months down the line to take out the body, and toss it in the dumpster out back. Hose down the cell for the next one.

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Its times like this I wish we had an island to toss unwanted trash on and cut any outside support.

Because it sickens me ****** like this get 3 sqaure meals a day off our funds.

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This reminds me of the raped girl in India back in December 2012, which was also horrifying and awful. I think women started protesting and fighting to get treated better after hearing that incident, though I'm not sure if this was only exclusive for the women in India. Well, either way, if they heard about this case, I'm sure that will tack on another good reason to protest, even though this didn't happen in India. Something's telling me though that both women in India and America and maybe some other countries, are pitching in and helping each other out for this cause. I don't blame them for protesting, I'm all for it. This madness needs to stop. Toph_Girl250

The main rapist died in prison shortly thereafter, insiders say he was killed by inmates after death of the woman. India has passed strict laws against rape after this incident including death penalty if the victim dies. Recently another dude raped and killed a 5 year old girl in india, now we have to see if he is to be executed or given life imprisonment.

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Left to starve to death in solitary.

Seems fair to me.

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Just stick him in an enclosed cell.. far away from any humans.. A hard cement bed.. and no toilet .. so he has to go on the floor and live in his urination and poop.

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Dont care what happens to him as long as he's never free. Personally, Id rather he be kept in a dark, windowless room for the rest of his life.
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He should get the same treatment, solitary for 11 years feed him and all so he survives just never go out and never speak with anyone then at some point let him starve to death.
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He should get the same treatment, solitary for 11 years feed him and all so he survives just never go out and never speak with anyone then at some point let him starve to death.pspdseagle
Can other prisoners put a leash on him and force him to crawl around outside on all fours naked at least once a day?
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[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]He should get the same treatment, solitary for 11 years feed him and all so he survives just never go out and never speak with anyone then at some point let him starve to death.mems_1224
Can other prisoners put a leash on him and force him to crawl around outside on all fours naked at least once a day?

Yes!!! but not once a day that's too nice maybe once in his prison life as a reward just like he did to the girls.

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Execute that fvcker
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]He should get the same treatment, solitary for 11 years feed him and all so he survives just never go out and never speak with anyone then at some point let him starve to death.pspdseagle

Can other prisoners put a leash on him and force him to crawl around outside on all fours naked at least once a day?

Yes!!! but not once a day that's too nice maybe once in his prison life as a reward just like he did to the girls.

should he be raped by 3 prisoner inmates for 11 years? He did rape the 3 girls for 11 years :P

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#47 MrsSolidSnake
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I'm perfectly okay with him being exectued. I'm also okay with him serving the rest of his life in a deep, dark cell. As long as he's not living a happy life.

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Execute that fvckerCapitan_Kid
Problem with that is its considered the easy way out. The guy needs to face suffer and long boredom, not a quick painless death.
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When you think about it three charges of rape and four charges of kidnapping alone will ensure he dies behind bars especially with him being in his early 50s. While it wouldn't hurt my feelings too much if he is given the death penalty he probably won't ever see the light of day again. I hope he's on suicide watch so he can't take the easy way out before his trial.
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#50 the_bi99man
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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Execute that fvckerToph_Girl250
Problem with that is its considered the easy way out. The guy needs to face suffer and long boredom, not a quick painless death.

True. A quick, painless death is far too easy for sub-human scum like him.

that's why we need to bring back hanging. There's always the chance that the neck doesn't instantly break, and the piece of shit has to dangle there for several minutes, choking to death, while the crowd of observers jeers, curses, and spits on it.