Online Piracy, is it justified in your view?

I don't see how terrorizing ships and their passengers for money, kidnapping, and death could ever be justified here.

I don't see how terrorizing ships and their passengers for money, kidnapping, and death could ever be justified here.

flazzle

Sometimes I don't want to pay, that is justification.

Kidding, kidding. There is none and it is "wrong", yes, which is why it's illegal.

What kind of piracy?BranKetra

I could see why some people would pirate. Like those that pirate a game becaues the developer screws over paying customers with very intrusive DRM. I'm a bit iffy on if that instance of piracy is completely justified, but I can understand it.

I could also see why somebody would pirate, say music, if their house burned down, and they lost their music CD collection that they bough legitimately, and replace what they lost by pirating.

However, at least 99.214% of pirating is not even remotely jusifiable.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

I don't see how terrorizing ships and their passengers for money, kidnapping, and death could ever be justified here.

Cowboy_Sheepbop

In Gamespot?

Of course not. Theft is theft. You can make whatever argument you want, but at the end of the day when you download something illegally you aren't paying for it. Theft.

because it's free, that's all the justification a person needs.

of course, online pirating is illegal and should be done by nobody :evil::shock:

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]What kind of piracy?Cowboy_Sheepbop

Well, what do you think? It depends.

For games, some people pirate because there aren't any demos for the game they want and with things like one-use pc codes, returns are a lot less likely for pc gaming unless the company is running a con. When it comes to movies, that's just stealing. On the other hand, some movies may not ever make it overseas, so that's the only way some people will be able to see them. It's complicated, but it basically comes down to how much a person wants something. As far being justified, people will make excuses for just about anything.

Anyway, you haven't given much opinion on it and you made a thread about it.

Yes & no.

Piracy can be good and bad:

The bad being the quite obvious not having the content creators getting their just share, in smaller or niche markets this can be a killer.

More niche film/tv needs all the $ they can get to survive in a mainstream content world.

Would go more into detail, but not really necessary. The bad rather self explanatory.

It can be good:

-Piracy can allow you access to content out right not available to you, in what region/country you live in.

-Piracy acts as a sort of monopoly check. The content publishers have a monopoly on their content. In lamen terms, they can be @$$ and not release content the way the viewers want or release it at un-just prices(anime in the 90s anyone, 200$+ a series). Content providers have to compete against this by offering lots of content at a resnable price.(funimation S.A.V.E, full series for under 50$)

For example, you want the origional, unedited Star wars trilogy. Well, Lucas is being an @$$ and not including this option on any new release. So fans are stuck with either

A:Hunt down old VHS or Laser disc copies.

B: Pirate the originals

In said scenario, is it wrong for fans to pirate when there is no realistic option to get the content they want?

Piracy like medicine. In small, proper doses, good. In overdoses, deadly.

It's bad but it's a fact of the Internet. Too many publishers continue to complain about piracy as if it's a problem of the Internet. No. It's so widespread now that it's become a fact of the Internet. Same principle as drugs in society. So how do you treat a fact that you want changed? You either a) accept it, or b) do something about it. But whatever you do, don't simply complain about it and start punishing people. That's ridiculous. It's not getting to its core.

i believe in fair use, and the destruction of fair use under the guides of ending theft is nothing but wacky misdirection.

I don't believe it's justified.

I am a firm believer in fair use.

I think it's rarely it ever justified..I thijnk there needs to be a stregthening of a public domain law though...at a certain point (earlier)...copywritten material needs to expire...maybe 50 years or even 30....Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]I think it's rarely it ever justified..I thijnk there needs to be a stregthening of a public domain law though...at a certain point (earlier)...copywritten material needs to expire...maybe 50 years or even 30....LJS9502_basic

no it isnt...but still, why pay for something when u dont have to....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]I think it's rarely it ever justified..I thijnk there needs to be a stregthening of a public domain law though...at a certain point (earlier)...copywritten material needs to expire...maybe 50 years or even 30....Omni-Slash

Music I'm okay with. It cuts out the middle man and lets you support the artist directly. Contrary to popular belief few artists benefit from having their music released on big labels. The cuts they get from sales are miniscule and the contracts they sign are often really restrictive. Granted if you're listening to pop radio then yeah obviously they're getting benefits from the labels, but I'm talking music that isn't manufactured for mass appeal. If you really want to support your favorite artist, you need to go see them live because that's how they make all of their money (merch and tickets).

For movies and games I'm against it for the most part. Not entirely in some cases. When developers or producers lie about their product I find it entirely justified.

no it isnt...but still, why pay for something when u dont have to....

BossPerson

Yes. I see it as a try before you buy scenarioJust-Breathe

You can justify almost anything. Whether that justification is truly legit, is another question. I think online pirating of video games and moviesis wrong. Games and movies are luxury items. They're not required for subsistence nor enjoyment of life. Some people feel justified in stealing video games because they say 60$ is too much. Well, 60$ is a lot, but if you wait, these games will invariably drop in price. Most games I buy, I'm getting at tremendous discounts. Take Arkham Asylum. GOTY candidate and you can get it for about 7$ if you search online. People that steal games just want them immediately and have no patience to await the deals.

Just because something isnt physical in nature doesnt mean it doesnt have value. Video games require tons of effort, work, and resources to make.

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

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It's theft.dagreenfish

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"]It's theft.Jandurin

Of course not. Theft is theft. You can make whatever argument you want, but at the end of the day when you download something illegally you aren't paying for it. Theft.airshocker

however, I must add that for some reason it feels justified to "pirate" an item where the supplier is the sole feasible supplier of such goods (Microsoft) because of a near absolute monopoly. I mean if someone only gives you one feasible option, why should i have to keep putting money in their pockets? . Especially when their software is crap. For the record, i have a lisence that my laptop came with.

however, I must add that for some reason it feels justified to "pirate" an item where the supplier is the sole feasible supplier of such goods (Microsoft) because of a near absolute monopoly. I mean if someone only gives you one feasible option, wh should i have to keep paying them when theres nobody else to pay. Especially when their software is crap. For the record, i have a lisence that my laptop came with.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

however, I must add that for some reason it feels justified to "pirate" an item where the supplier is the sole feasible supplier of such goods (Microsoft) because of a near absolute monopoly. I mean if someone only gives you one feasible option, wh should i have to keep paying them when theres nobody else to pay. Especially when their software is crap. For the record, i have a lisence that my laptop came with.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

however, I must add that for some reason it feels justified to "pirate" an item where the supplier is the sole feasible supplier of such goods (Microsoft) because of a near absolute monopoly. I mean if someone only gives you one feasible option, wh should i have to keep paying them when theres nobody else to pay. Especially when their software is crap. For the record, i have a lisence that my laptop came with.

BossPerson

Is stealing okay because it's really easy? No. People defend it, but if they were the ones getting their copyrighted stuff downloaded without getting paid, oh man, would you ever hear some complaining then.

Is stealing okay because it's really easy? No. People defend it, but if they were the ones getting their copyrighted stuff downloaded without getting paid, oh man, would you ever hear some complaining then.

Jackc8

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] rationalization is not justificationJandurin

implications of my post: i will be Jand's huckleberry

it was also illegal back in the 80s and 90s just so not widespread as to not matter i always think back on mix tapes and laugh at how RIAA should have nipped it in the budJandurin

lol i just remembered the commercial, it says "you wouldn't download a car, so don't download songs or movies"

fuk yeah i would download a car.