Online Piracy, is it justified in your view?

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#201 GamerLegend10
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[QUOTE="helwa1988"]I think it is wrong to download a movie or song without paying for it. However. If you paid for a DVD you should be able to rip it to make a digital copy for personal use. And if i buy a movie from itunes i should be able to burn it to a DVD for my own use.Godly_Cure
Isn't that legal?

Nope...neither is recording tv programmes/films, but we still do it.

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#202 GamerLegend10
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] It works wonders... and after all, what you can't destroy through force you can often starve or smother. Frame_Dragger

I've already got 5 hits on the filter as we speak.

Why need moderators when we have this?

We don't! ... 3 hits here, I guess you got yours going before me!

Hope nobody blocks me :cry:

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#203 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="GamerLegend10"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I've already got 5 hits on the filter as we speak.

Why need moderators when we have this?

We don't! ... 3 hits here, I guess you got yours going before me!

Hope nobody blocks me :cry:

Who cares? The only people likely to do so, assuming anyone would, are people you don't want anything to do with in the first place. There are frankly a few people here who, when blocked, make OT a better place. Some drivel just doesn't add to the fun in any way... at all... and ignoring it and being ignored in turn is a win-win. Still, you don't do anything that I think would inspire that kind of... shunning.
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#204 Solid_Snake325
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Yep, I don't care.
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#205 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="GamerLegend10"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] We don't! ... 3 hits here, I guess you got yours going before me!Frame_Dragger

Hope nobody blocks me :cry:

Who cares? The only people likely to do so, assuming anyone would, are people you don't want anything to do with in the first place. There are frankly a few people here who, when blocked, make OT a better place. Some drivel just doesn't add to the fun in any way... at all... and ignoring it and being ignored in turn is a win-win. Still, you don't do anything that I think would inspire that kind of... shunning.

Like Troll_Dragger here. Ignore him.

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#206 GamerLegend10
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[QUOTE="GamerLegend10"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] We don't! ... 3 hits here, I guess you got yours going before me!Frame_Dragger

Hope nobody blocks me :cry:

Who cares? The only people likely to do so, assuming anyone would, are people you don't want anything to do with in the first place. There are frankly a few people here who, when blocked, make OT a better place. Some drivel just doesn't add to the fun in any way... at all... and ignoring it and being ignored in turn is a win-win. Still, you don't do anything that I think would inspire that kind of... shunning.

Good point.

And thanks :)

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#207 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="GamerLegend10"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="GamerLegend10"]

Hope nobody blocks me :cry:

Who cares? The only people likely to do so, assuming anyone would, are people you don't want anything to do with in the first place. There are frankly a few people here who, when blocked, make OT a better place. Some drivel just doesn't add to the fun in any way... at all... and ignoring it and being ignored in turn is a win-win. Still, you don't do anything that I think would inspire that kind of... shunning.

Good point.

And thanks :)

Don't thank me, you're the one who hasn't inspired dislike or disinterest! ;)
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#208 helwa1988
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[QUOTE="helwa1988"]I think it is wrong to download a movie or song without paying for it. However. If you paid for a DVD you should be able to rip it to make a digital copy for personal use. And if i buy a movie from itunes i should be able to burn it to a DVD for my own use.Godly_Cure
Isn't that legal?

Companies put encryptions on the DVD so you cannot rip it. And the same is for iTunes. And i believe in the united states it us illegal. Which why drm removal software is generally made in Europe.
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#209 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"][QUOTE="helwa1988"]I think it is wrong to download a movie or song without paying for it. However. If you paid for a DVD you should be able to rip it to make a digital copy for personal use. And if i buy a movie from itunes i should be able to burn it to a DVD for my own use.helwa1988
Isn't that legal?

Companies put encryptions on the DVD so you cannot rip it. And the same is for iTunes. And i believe in the united states it us illegal. Which why drm removal software is generally made in Europe.

Hell, it's illegal to share a recording you make of most sports games... the laws lag HORRIBLY behind the times. Lack of enforcement however, establishes a fairly realistic jurisprudence.
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#210 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Piracy is not theft. Piracy is piracy.airshocker
And it's also taking something without paying for it, which is theft.

Piracy is not taking something. Piracy is creating an exact copy of something.
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#211 ghostwarrior786
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YES, yes it is

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#212 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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I think it's a load of crap that people think if they buy a product they are entitled to do whatever they want with it.

The same arguement GeoHotz had. When buying the ps3, you have to follow certain rules, just like when you buy a car. Or any other thing you can pirate with

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#213 deactivated-58a5e8ead9efe
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[QUOTE="airshocker"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Piracy is not theft. Piracy is piracy.scorch-62
And it's also taking something without paying for it, which is theft.

Piracy is not taking something. Piracy is creating an exact copy of something.

Frequently without invasive DRM malware to boot.

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#214 villa4europe
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to be fair im a huge cinema fan and go a lot, but if movie studios think that a film can come out in october in the states and inmarch in england and im not going to get a copy they are kidding themselves, add to that ALOT of films only get london cinema releases

i dont do it with music, i get some bootlegs but IMO you cant beat a having a proper cd

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#215 alexside1
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No. And it certainly doesn't justified bills like protect ip and sopa
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#216 villa4europe
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and i also have absolutely no problem watching football on a saturday afternoon on a stream no matter how illegal sky claim it is, i pay them enough, i have a season ticket go to a fair few away games, so on a saturday afternoon its illegal for me to watch villa play because i live in england whilst the rest of the world can watch them?

b*llocks to that

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#217 CajunMadePunk
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Of course you can not justify it.
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#218 foxhound_fox
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Example #1: A person purchases a video game or movie and loses or damages the disc it comes on (either due to their own fault, or an "act of God" i.e. the DVD-ROM melts the disc, etc.) and downloads a pirated copy off the internet. Example #2: A person downloads a pirated copy of the movie or game off the internet. In the eyes of the law, both are equally wrong. In the eyes of ethics, only example #2 is wrong. A person purchasing a video game or movie in physical form is merely purchasing the right to utilize the data contained on the disc, not the right of ownership over the data itself (which is owned by the copyright holder). So this means that the person is entitled (ethically, not necessarily legally) to make an infinite number of copies of that data for personal, not-for-profit use. This is why I question the illegality of piracy in the first place. If a copy is being made by the license holder, and they are entitled to do so (out of respect for the license), and when a copy is downloaded where no license has been obtained, how are these two copies somehow different if the dependant factor is on the person downloading it, and not the copy itself? This is the problem with copyright law involving digital media. A physical book being taken is stealing. Pages being photocopied is copyright infringement (depending entirely on how they are obtained, as a university student is legally entitled to copy an entire book here in Canada for personal use). So how is movie/game/e-book piracy any different from the university student and their trusty photocopier? I do not condone piracy where no license has been obtained... but this issue is as far from "black and white" as it gets... and cannot be settled in such a manner as blanket condemnation (the "piracy = theft" crowd), nor ridiculous copyright legislation (such as SOPA). And there are several instances where piracy gets people to try things they may not have given a chance in the first place, and might actually lead to legal purchases (such as the case where a game demo is not offered, and someone pirates the game in order to try it out; or indie bands gaining fame through word of mouth online). Also, the whole idea of "one pirated copy = one lost sale" is hilariously absurd and is just causing legitimate customers headaches pirates just circumvent (because of DRM countermeasures that are useless).
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#219 rastotm
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No, it clearly isn't.
That doesn't mean that the consumer is solely responsible for the piracy problem though!
I've stopped condemning pirates as the methods that developers/publishers use to counter piracy are extremely ridiculous. The lack of demo's, overpayed reviews, broken promises of developers, constant lies and broken releases aren't helping either.

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#220 CreasianDevaili
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Speaking solely on PC gaming I find piracy to be pretty bad. Even bethesda, perhaps one of the last developers in the latter 2000's who was making solid quality single player content, made skyrim a console port. I have no doubts that the next fallout will follow the same. I can fully understand some wanting better demos for their games when not all do it, but that is a poor excuse to pirate. Multimedia entertainment is not an entitlement like food or water nor a requirement to survive. Some say that PC gaming piracy wouldn't of gone so far if a used game market, that was both legal and encouraged existed. Yet unlike consoles you do not the disc to play so trading, burning an image, and trading back would be how it'd go.

PC gaming is mostly online heavy components or mmorpgs these days. Or console ports where PC gaming revenue isn't the main focus. DRM has gotten out of hand with limiting how many times you can install the copy as well. So I've adapted but that does not change that the developers are still making substantial revenue and have essentially won the most, where pirates are next, and the honest gamer is last.