Online Piracy, is it justified in your view?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]it was also illegal back in the 80s and 90s just so not widespread as to not matter i always think back on mix tapes and laugh at how RIAA should have nipped it in the budsurrealnumber5

fuk yeah i would download a car.

needled24-7

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

/thread

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

fuk yeah i would download a car.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]it was also illegal back in the 80s and 90s just so not widespread as to not matter i always think back on mix tapes and laugh at how RIAA should have nipped it in the budJandurin

in our law, before it became ultra corrupted by baby boomers, intent mattered greatly. sharing something you purchased with your friends was not a crime, but selling it to them was. good faith motive v. profit motive.

surrealnumber5

99% of the time it isn't.

Only time I can see it as kinda acceptable is if you have a CD that breaks. Something like that, even then it is kinda iffy.

It is amazing what kind of drawn out bull-sh!t excuses people come up with.

Just accept that you're taking without paying.

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

in our law, before it became ultra corrupted by baby boomers, intent mattered greatly. sharing something you purchased with your friends was not a crime, but selling it to them was. good faith motive v. profit motive.

Jandurin

99% of the time it isn't.

Only time I can see it as kinda acceptable is if you have a CD that breaks. Something like that, even then it is kinda iffy.

It is amazing what kind of drawn out bull-sh!t excuses people come up with.

Just accept that you're taking without paying.

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

whiskeystrike

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

whiskeystrike

[QUOTE="airshocker"]Of course not. Theft is theft. You can make whatever argument you want, but at the end of the day when you download something illegally you aren't paying for it. Theft.scorch-62

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

Jandurin

Informative and quality post. I learned a lot.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

whiskeystrike

Informative and quality post. I learned a lot.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

99% of the time it isn't.

Only time I can see it as kinda acceptable is if you have a CD that breaks. Something like that, even then it is kinda iffy.

It is amazing what kind of drawn out bull-sh!t excuses people come up with.

Just accept that you're taking without paying.

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

GazaAli

I don't really have a problem with piracy in your case, as you live in a third-world country.

Gaming companies and the like can't get their wares to you as it is, so there is no premise of a lost sale.

That doesn't mean you still aren't taking what you haven't payed for.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

whiskeystrike

Informative and quality post. I learned a lot.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] that's bsJandurin

Informative and quality post. I learned a lot.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] that's bsJandurin

Informative and quality post. I learned a lot.

You are drawing something out of my post that I did not type.

Piracy tends to go hand in hand with sales.

The most popular games and music are also usually the ones that are the most popular by honest customers.

That doesn't mean when X artist announces his/her last album that if people who pirated had supported the artist, he/she would still be fine.

Depends on the circumstances. Personally i don't have much of a problem with people who just copy for personal use, if you're not taking credit or cash for it then it's fine IMO.markop2003

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Depends on the circumstances. Personally i don't have much of a problem with people who just copy for personal use, if you're not taking credit or cash for it then it's fine IMO.GazaAli

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

/thread

Netherscourge

That's a false analogy.

Here's a better one:

I walk into a music store and see the CD I want. I look at the case, then snap my fingers and a perfect duplicate of the CD appears in my hand, sans magnetic sticker (i.e. DRM). I then walk out of the store with my duplicate.

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

whiskeystrike

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Depends on the circumstances. Personally i don't have much of a problem with people who just copy for personal use, if you're not taking credit or cash for it then it's fine IMO.GazaAli

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

/thread

xerxes5678

That's a false analogy.

Here's a better one:

I walk into a music store and see the CD I want. I look at the case, then snap my fingers and a perfect duplicate of the CD appears in my hand, sans magnetic sticker (i.e. DRM). I then walk out of the store with my duplicate.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

/thread

xerxes5678

That's a false analogy.

Here's a better one:

I walk into a music store and see the CD I want. I look at the case, then snap my fingers and a perfect duplicate of the CD appears in my hand, sans magnetic sticker (i.e. DRM). I then walk out of the store with my duplicate.

because record companies, film companies and game developers don't have enough money as it is :roll:

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

whiskeystrike

because record companies, film companies and game developers don't have enough money as it is :roll:

CBR600-RR

I didn't mean incorrect as INCORRECT, just you know, not reasonable enough for me or whatever. As for movies and concerts, don't you think that if everybody knew they could get the full albums and all these movies for free to enjoy whenever the hell they feel like it then sales will go down?GazaAli

And still the people that created that music are out being paid for the money. In a civilized society we compensate what who we take from. If we don't want to pay for something.....we do without it. On the other hand "karma" will get the deadbeats back someday....what goes around does come around sooner or later.LJS9502_basic

Music is a design it is not physical product, what you did by pirating is use their design to make a copy you did not take anything of theirs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

And still the people that created that music are out being paid for the money. In a civilized society we compensate what who we take from. If we don't want to pay for something.....we do without it. On the other hand "karma" will get the deadbeats back someday....what goes around does come around sooner or later.markop2003

Music is a design it is not physical product, what you did by pirating is use their design to make a copy you did not take anything of theirs.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

And still the people that created that music are out being paid for the money. In a civilized society we compensate what who we take from. If we don't want to pay for something.....we do without it. On the other hand "karma" will get the deadbeats back someday....what goes around does come around sooner or later.LJS9502_basic

Music is a design it is not physical product, what you did by pirating is use their design to make a copy you did not take anything of theirs.

Waiters are paid for what they do. No need to tip them.

Both sea pirate and illegal copy of copyright contents are bad. There is no justification for that IMO. For example, music I listen to radio or Last .FM, I use Gamefly, Netflix and Hulu. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives other than obtaining illegal copies. It is simply wrong to obtain illegal copies, not only it is illegal by law, the action (you know what I am referring to) is wrong as well. Of course, I am sure majority of people have done it before, and I understand the temptation. But, always know it is bad, so at least we would choose the legal alternative than the illegal one.magicalclick

Not one of those services is available outside of the United States (well maybe few in Canada) and the majority of people in the world do not live in the United States, so really it is very difficult for the majority of people to access content without physically owning or pirating it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="markop2003"]

Music is a design it is not physical product, what you did by pirating is use their design to make a copy you did not take anything of theirs.

CBR600-RR

Waiters are paid for what they do. No need to tip them.

Without online piracy, the prices for digital media would sky-rocket because of the lack of competion from piracy. So I guess it helps in part...

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

markop2003

I understand the positive correlations that occur with piracy. I still can't justify it.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Artists go down, gaming companies go down, etc. It's your fault for not supporting them.

nedim100

You are welcome to express why you feel so or contribute anything of value at all to this thread.

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

/thread

Netherscourge

It depends on the individuals intentions...a lot of people only pirate so that they can try out the product before purchasing it which i think is fine (as long as they dont keep the pirated copy).

For example it has been predicted that people who pirate music online also buy much more music (legally) than the average person. So they try out a pirated copy and then if its good they then buy it. Most people have a lot of music, which can be expensive so people often dont want to spend the money until they are sure its good...and if its terrible then they delete it and no harm is done. Sure there are other ways to do this, but there are also other understandable motives for illegal downloads.

Though i do admit this is not always the case and im not tying to justify online piracy as a whole...and just so you know, no i do not illegally pirate anything.

Also i find the punishments for piracy are just ridiculous...and anyone comparing online piracy to armed robbery has to realise how stupid that is. There is a huge difference between downloading something and pointing a gun at someones head, there is also a big difference between a song and someones personal possessions.

And anyone saying it is wrong simply because it is illegal needs to wake up, there are so many stupid laws and everyone breaks them.

And no Illegally downloading is not the same as stealing from a store. There is a huge difference.

Piracy is not theft. Piracy is piracy.scorch-62

And it's also taking something without paying for it, which is theft.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Piracy is not theft. Piracy is piracy.airshocker

And it's also taking something without paying for it, which is theft.

Of course not, it's stealing. Not that it always stops be. I'm such a thief!

nope.jpgJandurin

If yope was a word I would totally use it right now.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Online piracy = walking into a store, picking up something for sale, walking out with it and never paying for it.

How can you justify that? You can't.

/thread

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