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#301 St_JimmyX
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] *sigh* All right then.:PDarth-Caedus

Darth, I still can't seem to get into Nevermore...

*throws up protective forcefield*

Grr:x Try The Lotus Eaters, Politics Of Ecstasy, and Believe In Nothing.

Wow six different songs with the title The Lotus Eaters, not to mention a band named the Lotus Eaters, and the Opeth song.
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#302 Darth-Caedus
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How about prefers the extreme stuff and cannot stand the old stuff? Grindcore ftw.majoras_wrath
I thought you were a metal hater...:P [QUOTE="St_JimmyX"] Wow six different songs with the title The Lotus Eaters, not to mention a band named the Lotus Eaters, and the Opeth song.

:lol: Popular song title.:P
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#303 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] Grr:x Try The Lotus Eaters, Politics Of Ecstasy, and Believe In Nothing.Darth-Caedus

Lotus Eaters and Politics of Ecstasy are pretty heavy songs. I'd say listen to Sentient No.6, Dreaming Neon Black, A Future Uncertain and Who Decides? instead.

Chessmasters problem isn't the heaviness...its Danes vocals:P

Yeah, I have no problem with the heaviness-I like Loomis' solo album. Just not a fan of Dane. *shrugs*

By the way, Darth, what DM do you recommend besides Amon Amarth? Preferably DM with vocals that are fairly easy to understand :P.

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#304 chessmaster1989
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How about prefers the extreme stuff and cannot stand the old stuff? Grindcore ftw.majoras_wrath

No love for Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Dio, etc.?

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#305 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Lotus Eaters and Politics of Ecstasy are pretty heavy songs. I'd say listen to Sentient No.6, Dreaming Neon Black, A Future Uncertain and Who Decides? instead.

chessmaster1989

Chessmasters problem isn't the heaviness...its Danes vocals:P

Yeah, I have no problem with the heaviness-I like Loomis' solo album. Just not a fan of Dane. *shrugs*

By the way, Darth, what DM do you recommend besides Amon Amarth? Preferably DM with vocals that are fairly easy to understand :P.

You didn't ask me but try Death's "The Sound of Perseverance" album and "Symbolic".

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#306 majoras_wrath
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] I thought you were a metal hater...:P Darth-Caedus
No, I'm just notafan of most of the stuff popular on these boards. Seems most people like the stuff I consider cheesy. I'm more a fan of post-metal and more alternative types of metal.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]How about prefers the extreme stuff and cannot stand the old stuff? Grindcore ftw.chessmaster1989

No love for Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Dio, etc.?



Like Black Sabbath, mostly since they're more ****c then metal, but other then that most definitely.

Not a fan of older rock/older stuff in general.

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#307 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Chessmasters problem isn't the heaviness...its Danes vocals:P cyberdarkkid

Yeah, I have no problem with the heaviness-I like Loomis' solo album. Just not a fan of Dane. *shrugs*

By the way, Darth, what DM do you recommend besides Amon Amarth? Preferably DM with vocals that are fairly easy to understand :P.

You didn't ask me but try Death's "The Sound of Perseverance" album and "Symbolic".

Thanks for the recommendations cyber :D. I'm always happy for advice on music, even when I don't specifically ask a person :P.

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#308 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] No, I'm just notafan of most of the stuff popular on these boards. Seems most people like the stuff I consider cheesy. I'm more a fan of post-metal and more alternative types of metal.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]How about prefers the extreme stuff and cannot stand the old stuff? Grindcore ftw.majoras_wrath

No love for Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Dio, etc.?



Like Black Sabbath, mostly since they're more ****c then metal, but other then that most definitely.

Not a fan of older rock/older stuff in general.

Sabbath is metal most definitely... Black Sabbath is often referred to as the first metal album.

And, I guess it's all just a matter of preference :P.

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#309 dhyce
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Soulfallen kick ass 8)Darth-Caedus

Seriously! Their music is "brutal" but it's completely gorgeous too. I also love the vocal dynamic between growling and shrieking, both sound just right too. Nothing weak about their music imo.

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#310 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Lotus Eaters and Politics of Ecstasy are pretty heavy songs. I'd say listen to Sentient No.6, Dreaming Neon Black, A Future Uncertain and Who Decides? instead.

chessmaster1989

Chessmasters problem isn't the heaviness...its Danes vocals:P

Yeah, I have no problem with the heaviness-I like Loomis' solo album. Just not a fan of Dane. *shrugs*

By the way, Darth, what DM do you recommend besides Amon Amarth? Preferably DM with vocals that are fairly easy to understand :P.

Hmm, Death (Human and Symbolic are must listen albums:P) Arch Enemy (Band that got me into DM, Wages Of Sin and Doomsday Machine kick ass) Bolt Thrower (Little bit harder to understand then AA, but still fairly easy IMO, Realm Of Chaos and Those Once Loyal are their best IMO, vocals are easier to understand on the newer work, so go with Those Once Loyal, but be sure to check out World Eater from Realm. best song IMO) Cynic (Both albums are godly, the robotic vocals are love or hate though:P) Opeth (Good mix of clean and harsh vocals, much slower then most DM though:P Still Life and Blackwater Park FTW) and Bloodbath (Akerfeldt from Opeths other band, the clean vocals are gone, but his death vox are fairly easy to understand, lyrics can be pretty lulzy, but they aren't ment to be taken seriously:P Resurection Through Carnage and Fathomless Mastery are the best!)
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#311 LoG-Sacrament
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There are a lot of problems with metal composition from my point of view, and I rarely enjoy complete works by these composers. Oftentimes, I find individual themes compelling, but the works in their entirety suffer from lack of genuine development and contrast, which makes them quite boring to listen to after a few minutes. Too sectional and repetitive, especially on the motivic level. Take time to study the music, and you'll find that despite claims to the contrary by die hard fans who believe this to be the pinnacle of Western music development, this music is very similiar to much maligned pop music at its core, with generally limited harmony and counterpoint (if there's any counterpoint at all, that is), a great deal of motivic repetition, and sectional form. As for the solos that separate the genre from its less virtuosic cousins... they're loud and fast, yes, but as virtuosity goes in Western music, they don't really impress. Scales, arpeggios, and repeating figuration - the basis of shredding - are not very interesting to me. Admittedly, being an extremely proficient musician myself doesn't help, as it is much more difficult to impress me now than it was when I was less experienced. To those with only limited experience with instrumental performance, I'm sure what these guys do seems almost impossibly difficult.

And then there's the drumset hammering away... which deserves its own paragraph because it irritates me so much. Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I don't need the beat pounded into my skull by a drumset. I'm perfectly capable of figuring out where the beat is with simple, metrical rhythmic patterns and a total dearth of rubato. And I frankly find it downright irritating to listen to music where fortissimo is the softest dynamic level for minutes on end, and where simple terms like "crescendo" and "diminuendo" have no place at all. The pounding drumset is largely responsible for this, because the players seemingly have no concept whatsoever of balance and just pound the living **** out of their instruments, forcing everything to be constantly loud. That's OK in small doses. In fact, it works really, really well in small doses. But it's a technique which is completely and utterly abused in metal composition as far as I'm concerned, and it has no effect on me at all when it's treated not as a contrast, but as the staple.

Beyond these technical issues, I also find the genre is trapped in a very narrow emotional range. I've listened to a great deal of this music through suggestions made by users on GS over the years, and frankly, I find there is very little emotional variety in these works. Anger and/or depression in varying degrees sums up just about every piece I have heard in this genre. There's nothing wrong with exploring such emotions in music, but there IS something wrong with providing a steady diet of nothing but those emotions. And more to the point, there are many different ways to produce an emotion that are ignored by metal composers. Eliciting sadness or pain in the major mode, for example. I've never heard this in metal.

In essence, the genre doesn't impress me mostly because it is too stagnant musically and emotionally. But it's still far more interesting music than most Western popular music genres, and one of the few that has produced works I have been compelled to listen to more than once from beginning to end. As the genre matures, perhaps we'll see it approach the lofty goal it has of producing truly sophisticated music.

pianist

i always feel bad when i do this, because youve already been bombarded by dozens of others.

i have a feeling that youll like this. if you ever want to listen to metal that focuses on more emotions than anger or depression, i suggest you check out the rest of the album. i feel refreshed and uplifted after i listen to the whole album.

one thing im never quite sure of when you make your posts is whether or not youve heard the good metal bands, or atleast the ones i consider to have gotten the right aesthetic (i know. i know. you start to get into very subjective terms in this sort of territory) of metal. this is what id say is the proper aesthetic of death metal. its overbearing. its loud. its repetitive compared to a refined genre like classical music. its ugly. but those are all the point of the music. id say that death metal isnt so much geared towards bulding to a few emotional exclamations like mahler, but rather subjecting the listener to a continual atmosphere. that song, it terms of what it reflects on the listener, isnt particularly energetic. but, again, thats the point. its supposed to be oppressive. i dont expect you to be some metalhead (or to even like the song, for that matter), but i think you should atleast be exposed to some themes of the genre that may not have been fully present in other examples.

i could go to more examples of extreme metal that are composed better than gorguts (and there are, if you ever want a listen), but i feel that the most important part is that many subgenres of metal have different goals than classical music and you may be looking for something that isnt there. also, i dont want to give you hours of music to listen to, just to respond to the post :P

i do hope you enjoyed gordian knot though.

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#312 Immortalica
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Metal is my life.
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#313 muller39
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it stinks

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#314 LeGoofyGoober
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Metal is my life.Immortalica


Satanic Warmaster...interesting...

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#315 Immortalica
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"]Metal is my life.LeGoofyGoober
Satanic Warmaster...interesting...

Indeed.
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#316 StrawberryHill
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I prefer the old stuff. I can't stand the screamo or any style that has the deep, incoherent growls.cd_rom

I kind of with you on this. I'd actually like some of the cookie monster music more, if it were just instrumental. Some of the music is great.

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#317 Dalo12345
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It is garbage and I cannot stand it.

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#318 HereticGamer911
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satanic music IMO

LeGoofyGoober
LOL
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#320 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"]Metal is my life.LeGoofyGoober



Satanic Warmaster...interesting...

Tell me how listening to music makes you worship Satan? BTW I'm Catholic and I listen to metal, music is a form of entertainment, I don't see how that would make me a bad Catholic.

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#321 WasntAvailable
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Hit and miss. Sometimes it can be good,alot of thetime it can be dull and uninspired and other times it's clear the band are getting caried away with themselves. In general though I would say most of it is a clear miss.

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#322 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

It is garbage and I cannot stand it.

HereticGamer911
Also LOL...

He has a Kreator avatar :P
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#323 Dalo12345
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[QUOTE="HereticGamer911"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

It is garbage and I cannot stand it.

cyberdarkkid

Also LOL...

He has a Kreator avatar :P

Yah haha, it was just a joke.

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#324 pierst179
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I am not really into it but I do like some stuff like Metallica and Iron Maiden.

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#325 HereticGamer911
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[QUOTE="HereticGamer911"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"] Also LOL...cyberdarkkid
He has a Kreator avatar :P

Yah haha, it was just a joke.

:lol: Sorry, totally missed that... :P

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#326 Serraph105
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my thoughts?

you cant spell metal without me

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#327 HereticGamer911
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[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"][QUOTE="HereticGamer911"] He has a Kreator avatar :PHereticGamer911

Yah haha, it was just a joke.

:lol: Sorry, totally missed that... :P

Woa, is it just me or did the quotes just get all **** up?

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#328 Blu_Falcon37
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I'm a fan of power metal (Blind Guardian, Falconer, Dark Moor, etc.) and I'm a fan of Iron Maiden. I don't like the types of metal where all the lead singer does is scream and growl.

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#329 dhyce
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my thoughts?

you cant spell metal without me

Serraph105

Or me! :o

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#330 St_JimmyX
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I'm a fan of power metal (Blind Guardian, Falconer, Dark Moor, etc.) and I'm a fan of Iron Maiden. I don't like the types of metal where all the lead singer does is scream and growl.

Blu_Falcon37

Power metal is among the worst sub genres of metal (imo)...

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#331 zeppelin_64
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I like death metal, progressive death metal, some thrash, classic metal, like Iron Maiden Metallica, and Black Sabbath.
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#332 Saturos3091
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*Looks at sig* I think you know. :P It's funny, I found death metal pretty inaccessible initially, but I got into it relatively quickly and now it's probably my favorite genre. Black metal on the other hand I liked at first for a little bit... then found extremely inaccessible (however that happens :?). I've been trying to get into it, but I've just been finding it really hard to do. Now that I've discovered Rotting Christ though, I'm really liking their music and it may be just what I needed to get me back into the genre.Forerunner-117

*Looks at my own sig*

Just letting you know, I love your sig. :P

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#333 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"]*Looks at sig* I think you know. :P It's funny, I found death metal pretty inaccessible initially, but I got into it relatively quickly and now it's probably my favorite genre. Black metal on the other hand I liked at first for a little bit... then found extremely inaccessible (however that happens :?). I've been trying to get into it, but I've just been finding it really hard to do. Now that I've discovered Rotting Christ though, I'm really liking their music and it may be just what I needed to get me back into the genre.Saturos3091

*Looks at my own sig*

Just letting you know, I love your sig. :P

*Looks at my sig* Just letting you know, I love both your sigs despite me not having a RC sig:P
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#334 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]*Looks at my sig* Just letting you know, I love both your sigs despite me not having a RC sig:P

Another Rotting Christ fan! Awesome. 8)
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#335 MattUD1
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I listen to some metal, so I don't hate it. I just dislike some aspects. Growling for instance. I can tolerate it to a point. If the song is all growling or the growling in unintelligible then I will not listen to it. That being said, I have started listening to Opeth just last night and I like what I hear.
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#336 Immortalica
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]*Looks at my sig* Just letting you know, I love both your sigs despite me not having a RC sig:P

Another Rotting Christ fan! Awesome. 8)

I like me some Rotting Christ as well. :P
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#337 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Another Rotting Christ fan! Awesome. 8)Immortalica
I like me some Rotting Christ as well. :P

Double awesome! 8) 8)

I actually didn't get into them until about three weeks ago. Easily one of my favorite BM bands along with Taake, Deathspell Omega, and Xasthur (despite the hate they get). Also nice SW sig. My friend is really into them. He even writes to the band members about their albums and such, and they often discuss random things in the BM community. :P

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#338 darksword1123
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Don't care for it.
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#339 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"] [QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Another Rotting Christ fan! Awesome. 8)Saturos3091

I like me some Rotting Christ as well. :P

Double awesome! 8) 8)

I actually didn't get into them until about three weeks ago. Easily one of my favorite BM bands along with Taake, Deathspell Omega, and Xasthur (despite the hate they get). Also nice SW sig. My friend is really into them. He even writes to the band members about their albums and such, and they often discuss random things in the BM community. :P

Wait...Xasthur get hate? O_o I've never seen anyone say anything but good things about them...:P

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#340 Choga
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It's dead.

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#341 Darth-Caedus
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It's dead.

Choga
Metal will never die:x
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#342 Choga
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[QUOTE="Choga"]

It's dead.

Darth-Caedus

Metal will never die:x

'96 was the year.

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#343 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Choga"]

It's dead.

Choga

Metal will never die:x

'96 was the year.

What happened in 96? :|
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#344 Choga
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[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] Metal will never die:xDarth-Caedus

'96 was the year.

What happened in 96? :|

Everyone decided to copy darkthrone and burzum.

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#345 swazidoughman
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Metal is a silly genre imo, especially the LOTR or Nordic Mythology themed stuff, great for angry DND sessions.

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#346 chessmaster1989
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Metal is a silly genre imo, especially the LOTR or Nordic Mythology themed stuff, great for angry DND sessions.

swazidoughman

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#347 Darth-Caedus
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Everyone decided to copy darkthrone and burzum.

Choga

Black Metal≠Metal as a whole...

Metal is a silly genre imo, especially the LOTR or Nordic Mythology themed stuff, great for angry DND sessions.

swazidoughman

Seriously?

You find this silly?

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#348 Saturos3091
Member since 2005 • 14937 Posts

Wait...Xasthur get hate? O_o I've never seen anyone say anything but good things about them...:P

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There's a ton of hate surrounding Malefic (Xasthur) and a lot of Depressive Black Metal. It's often called "emo metal" by black metal purists and Xasthur gets lots of negative comments because apparently "he is a terrible songwriter." People think his songwriting isn't focused enough, although unfocused songwriting is one of the core elements of black metal, so you'll often see extremely negative reviews by both critics and BM fans/purists. I really enjoy the atmosphere he puts in his music...that droning, hazy feel like that of walking through a misty forest in winter. It's certainly not for everyone, but those who attack it don't seem to understand that the music isn't supposed to be direct and in your face like a lot of the more raw black metal bands.

He gets almost as much hate as Nargaroth, although I can't say I'm much of a fan. :P

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#349 chessmaster1989
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Seriously?

You find this silly?

Also, this?

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#350 Choga
Member since 2006 • 2377 Posts

[QUOTE="Choga"]Everyone decided to copy darkthrone and burzum.

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Black Metal≠Metal as a whole...

Metal is a silly genre imo, especially the LOTR or Nordic Mythology themed stuff, great for angry DND sessions.

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Seriously?

You find this silly?

During that time period black metal was the only metal genre left that hadn't went to **** yet. Death Metal had already become a parody of itself. Same story with grindcore. Thrash, well, you can only have so many 30 second songs until everyone starts copying each other. Don't even bring up Power metal, thats just corny music in general.