[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="KingPeru"]i disagree. hasnt anybody thought of the damage that can be done to the child? when he grows up hes gonna learn that he either has 2 dads or 2 moms. at school they r gonna make fun of him all da way to high school. all his life he has to go through that, its just not normal. imagine if u had gay parents, how would u feel?Dabighit89there's no evidence that gay parents can't raise kids No, but that doesn't stop people from trying to say that :lol: :lol: nice one!..you're right they can raise kids, anyone can. Except the kid would be emotionally affected greatly. A kid can also be emotionally affected by staying in an orphanage for the majority of their life without any parents. Ok..you're absolutely right, though i don't know what you are arguing about. That can also affect a child as well as one brought up by a gay couple..... I know I would much rather be brought up by gay parents and be able to get things that orphans couldn't get then actually be an orphan. There is also no evidence to suggest that a kid would be emotionally affected.
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Not saying gay couple adopting is wrong, but it makes me mad that people think that a child wouldn't be affected differently if raised by a gay couple compared to a straight one.Dabighit89of course they'd be affected. They'd have a better fashion sense for a start! (ya ya, stereotypical, i know...)
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Not saying gay couple adopting is wrong, but it makes me mad that people think that a child wouldn't be affected differently if raised by a gay couple compared to a straight one.Skylock00The problem is that you and others are implying that the child would be affected in a negative fashion. Of course having a different set of parents than originally born from will have some affect on the child one way or another, but those changes aren't inherently bad unless the parent is purposefully instilling poor mentalities and such on the child. Ok , to finally make myself even more clear, the child would be affected negatively. But not because of the PARENTS. You and I both know how harsh society can be, and though you wouldn't bash this kid, many others would...
I did a debate about gay adoption before. The kids will end up being gay because of the influance of their parents.soroush7Just like how my straight parents made me straight; oh wait you are just making up totally random crap with no evidence whatsoever.
[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]IT IS COMMON SENSE. Use your own brain for crying out loud. You dont need a psychologist to realize that gays arent supposed to raise children. Evolution intended it that way. Man.........daniel52587How does Evolution intend that homosexuals aren't suppose to raise children, aside from the fact that they can't have them biologically themselves? You really don't have any evidence to prove that they are inherently unfit to raise children, which is the focal point of your argument. Need I say more.
Yes, since that is independent of an individual's ability to actually raise a child, which is the point being argued. As noted, a man and a women could, let's say, BOTH be incapable of having children due to biological reasons, yet I bet you wouldn't have a problem with them adopting. Don't dodge the question, and don't be a smart alex about the matter. Society just wont allow it. If society wasnt so judgmental, I maybe wouldnt have a problem with it. Depending on how the parents raise the child. But since I know society would tear that family apart, I just cant bring myself to say it is ok. I'm not sure if that' proper reasoning......socioty generally looks down upon mixed race couples, but their children end up fine......
I did a debate about gay adoption before. The kids will end up being gay because of the influance of their parents.soroush7Really? Do you have any proof whatsoever of that? Thought not.
[QUOTE="soroush7"]I did a debate about gay adoption before. The kids will end up being gay because of the influance of their parents.xaosJust like how my straight parents made me straight; oh wait you are just making up totally random crap with no evidence whatsoever. Homosexuality isa product of nature anyway...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4215427.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm
To the people saying that society wouldn't affect this kid for having gay parents....People get made fun of and that eventually hurts their emotions right??.. It is normal andn common that people pick on others, and feeling sad because of this is also common. The same would happen to this particular child. He would get picked on and eventually his EMOTIONS would kick in ...and they probably won't be positive..Dabighit89Kids get made fun of for being small, stupid, and funny looking also. Feeling sad is an emotion we ALL feel sometimes, and it should not restrict gay adoption.
I dont know your personal life. But I highly doubt it would be on the same level. If so, then I am sorry. But to answer your question, yes. They should be restricted. Society will tear the family up. If society wasnt so judgemental, and depending on how the gay parents raise the child, I wouldnt care. I would have no problem with it.daniel52587
Ok , to finally make myself even more clear, the child would be affected negatively. But not because of the PARENTS. You and I both know how harsh society can be, and though you wouldn't bash this kid, many others would...Dabighit89Sorry, but this is simply not a valid enough reason to go out and restrict the ability of someone who wants to raise a child, and is capable of doing so in an effective manner, from having the ability to adopt one. Kids and society are harsh, sure, but that's a reality EVERYONE has to face.
[QUOTE="soroush7"]I did a debate about gay adoption before. The kids will end up being gay because of the influance of their parents.Mercury88That's not necessarily true....what you are doing is raising the question of whether being gay is down to nature or nurture.if it were nurture then there wouldn't be so many gay people about; I'm sure the generations of the past didn't bring up their children to be gay
[QUOTE="BadAndy642"]I disagree. If they want children, then they should have a partner of the opposite sex.Bourbons3What about women who cant have children? Should they be banned from adopting and just told to go get a good uterus?
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[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]IT IS COMMON SENSE. Use your own brain for crying out loud. You dont need a psychologist to realize that gays arent supposed to raise children. Evolution intended it that way. Man.........daniel52587How does Evolution intend that homosexuals aren't suppose to raise children, aside from the fact that they can't have them biologically themselves? You really don't have any evidence to prove that they are inherently unfit to raise children, which is the focal point of your argument. Need I say more.
Yes, since that is independent of an individual's ability to actually raise a child, which is the point being argued. As noted, a man and a women could, let's say, BOTH be incapable of having children due to biological reasons, yet I bet you wouldn't have a problem with them adopting. Don't dodge the question, and don't be a smart alex about the matter. Society just wont allow it. If society wasnt so judgmental, I maybe wouldnt have a problem with it. Depending on how the parents raise the child. But since I know society would tear that family apart, I just cant bring myself to say it is ok. there are lots of people being raised by gay parents. In canada alot of these parents are married. Society is allowing it
To the people saying that society wouldn't affect this kid for having gay parents....People get made fun of and that eventually hurts their emotions right??.. It is normal andn common that people pick on others, and feeling sad because of this is also common. The same would happen to this particular child. He would get picked on and eventually his EMOTIONS would kick in ...and they probably won't be positive..Dabighit8960s...Black People...
What about women who cant have children? Should they be banned from adopting and just told to go get a good uterus?[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="BadAndy642"]I disagree. If they want children, then they should have a partner of the opposite sex.asassinmario
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Not in all cases.What about women who cant have children? Should they be banned from adopting and just told to go get a good uterus?[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="BadAndy642"]I disagree. If they want children, then they should have a partner of the opposite sex.asassinmario
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And with genetic manipulation and/or artificial insemination, a gay parent could do the same.What about women who cant have children? Should they be banned from adopting and just told to go get a good uterus?[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="BadAndy642"]I disagree. If they want children, then they should have a partner of the opposite sex.asassinmario
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but that's unnatural... hehe[QUOTE="daniel52587"]I dont know your personal life. But I highly doubt it would be on the same level. If so, then I am sorry. But to answer your question, yes. They should be restricted. Society will tear the family up. If society wasnt so judgemental, and depending on how the gay parents raise the child, I wouldnt care. I would have no problem with it.Skylock00
Ok , to finally make myself even more clear, the child would be affected negatively. But not because of the PARENTS. You and I both know how harsh society can be, and though you wouldn't bash this kid, many others would...Dabighit89Sorry, but this is simply not a valid enough reason to go out and restrict the ability of someone who wants to raise a child, and is capable of doing so in an effective manner, from having the ability to adopt one. Kids and society are harsh, sure, but that's a reality EVERYONE has to face. Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.
[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Mercury88"][QUOTE="soroush7"]I did a debate about gay adoption before. The kids will end up being gay because of the influance of their parents.BuryMeThat's not necessarily true....what you are doing is raising the question of whether being gay is down to nature or nurture.if it were nurture then there wouldn't be so many gay people about; I'm sure the generations of the past didn't bring up their children to be gay even today, i feel fairly confident saying that most parents raise their kids with the idea that they will be straight exactly my point
Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Skylock00You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.
[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.That happens with any minority, it doesn't mean the child will have a miserable existance. SO the chavs down the road don't like him, so what. It'd be the same if he was black, or a muslim. People will be racist/prejuduced against them too.
[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. But kids get picked on for worse things... if anything the experience of getting picked on (if indeed the kid does get picked on) will make the kid a stronger more mature adult with a better understanding of the world. I know I would rather get picked on then live in an orphanage (where I would probably get picked on just as much for whatever reason).
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.ithilgore2006You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.That happens with any minority, it doesn't mean the child will have a miserable existance. SO the chavs down the road don't like him, so what. So what?..humans have emotions. Emotions greatly affect the outcome of someone's future. If people picked on you and you had a miserbale existance, don't tell me that would affect you in some way.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.EboyLOLYou really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. But kids get picked on for worse things... if anything the experience of getting picked on (if indeed the kid does get picked on) will make the kid a stronger more mature adult with a better understanding of the world. I know I would rather get picked on then live in an orphanage (where I would probably get picked on just as much for whatever reason). Yes yes i know there are worse things of course there are. I'm just getting the impression that everyone thinks that gay couples would have NO impact at all on their adopted child.
[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.That happens with any minority, it doesn't mean the child will have a miserable existance. SO the chavs down the road don't like him, so what. So what?..humans have emotions. Emotions greatly affect the outcome of someone's future. If people picked on you and you had a miserbale existance, don't tell me that would affect you in some way.A lot of people picked pn me for being quiet, but I'm still happy. It's not exclusive to those kids, nor will it necessarily mke them miserable.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.EboyLOLYou really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. But kids get picked on for worse things... if anything the experience of getting picked on (if indeed the kid does get picked on) will make the kid a stronger more mature adult with a better understanding of the world. I know I would rather get picked on then live in an orphanage (where I would probably get picked on just as much for whatever reason). Yes yes i know there are worse things of course there are. I'm just getting the impression that everyone thinks that gay couples would have NO impact at all on their adopted child.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.ithilgore2006You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.That happens with any minority, it doesn't mean the child will have a miserable existance. SO the chavs down the road don't like him, so what. So what?..humans have emotions. Emotions greatly affect the outcome of someone's future. If people picked on you and you had a miserbale existance, don't tell me that would affect you in some way.A lot of people picked pn me for being quiet, but I'm still happy. It's not exclusive to those kids, nor will it necessarily mke them miserable. I am quiet as well. But getting picked on for being quiet I'm sure is a lesser issue than getting picked on for having gay parents.
[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.That happens with any minority, it doesn't mean the child will have a miserable existance. SO the chavs down the road don't like him, so what. So what?..humans have emotions. Emotions greatly affect the outcome of someone's future. If people picked on you and you had a miserbale existance, don't tell me that would affect you in some way.A lot of people picked pn me for being quiet, but I'm still happy. It's not exclusive to those kids, nor will it necessarily mke them miserable. I am quiet as well. But getting picked on for being quiet I'm sure is a lesser issue than getting picked on for having gay parents.You'd be suprised, but it's still a valid point.
[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway.
[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. But kids get picked on for worse things... if anything the experience of getting picked on (if indeed the kid does get picked on) will make the kid a stronger more mature adult with a better understanding of the world. I know I would rather get picked on then live in an orphanage (where I would probably get picked on just as much for whatever reason). Yes yes i know there are worse things of course there are. I'm just getting the impression that everyone thinks that gay couples would have NO impact at all on their adopted child.I don't think that too many people are suggesting that, but even so, I don't think that it invalidates the idea of gay adoption.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Mr_sprinklesYou really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway. Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.EboyLOLYou really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. But kids get picked on for worse things... if anything the experience of getting picked on (if indeed the kid does get picked on) will make the kid a stronger more mature adult with a better understanding of the world. I know I would rather get picked on then live in an orphanage (where I would probably get picked on just as much for whatever reason). Yes yes i know there are worse things of course there are. I'm just getting the impression that everyone thinks that gay couples would have NO impact at all on their adopted child.I don't think that too many people are suggesting that, but even so, I don't think that it invalidates the idea of gay adoption. i know i know and im not saying it is wrong. But gay adoption would have a greater negative impact on a child. Not all children, but of course most because of all the rasicsts and homophobes that exist. This proves that coming to a conclusion on this topic is difficult, becuase it cannot go either way.
[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway. Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there. what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that.
If I was an orphan I wouldn't give a damn if those who adopted me were gayquiglythegreatSee..its difficult to point that out becuase your brain is developed and you've probably matured. But you cannot make a judgement like that beucase many events turn out to be hugely significant for children, considering how much they learn and understand at their age.
[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Mr_sprinklesYou really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt. Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change. most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway. Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there. what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that. Ok, but going through all these unnessasary(spelling srry) events and such aren't normal as you would agree. Many people don't face the fact that these children are viewed differently compared to children from straight families.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]If I was an orphan I wouldn't give a damn if those who adopted me were gayDabighit89See..its difficult to point that out becuase your brain is developed and you've probably matured. But you cannot make a judgement like that beucase many events turn out to be hugely significant for children, considering how much they learn and understand at their age. you'd probably have more trouble if the kid was 13 or something like that, but i five year old wouldn't really care if the parents were gay
People always pick on different people, but there isn't such a thing as a "people hater". Sure people get bashed , but these children of gay couples would get MORE bashed becuase of factors such as rasicts homophobes etc..Dabighit89...which are no different then the civil rights movements.
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