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#351 luke1889
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Ugh, this debate is wearing thinner than grandpa's hair now. Seriously, you can imagine the exact same thing going down all those years ago when the slave trade was rife and people were all racist'd up to the eyeballs and beyond.

We all know, deep down, that there's nothing wrong with not being what many would call 'normal' or not doing or being what could be viewed as the norm, but there's too many people that are funnelled down too tight a prescriptive path in life, and who are too egotistic, to admit this.

It's a sad reflection on humanity that we cannot just live and let live; we feel the need bring others down, and for what? To make ourselves feel better? To instill a sense of superiority? Whatever the reasons, it's nothing but unacceptable.

I, like countless others no doubt, have grown tired of this debate and other similar ones.

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like every other issue, i am neither in favor or against it... especially since it doesnt effect me
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]People always pick on different people, but there isn't such a thing as a "people hater".  Sure people get bashed , but these children of gay couples would get MORE bashed becuase of factors such as rasicts homophobes etc..Hewkii
...which are no different then the civil rights movements.

Ok..and in turn there are still rascists today and rascism is also an issue, although not as great as it used to be.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]If I was an orphan I wouldn't give a damn if those who adopted me were gayMr_sprinkles
See..its difficult to point that out becuase your brain is developed and you've probably matured. But you cannot make a judgement like that beucase many events turn out to be hugely significant for children, considering how much they learn and understand at their age.

you'd probably have more trouble if the kid was 13 or something like that, but i five year old wouldn't really care if the parents were gay

If a kid was raised by gay people, there is no way they'd be freaked out.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]If I was an orphan I wouldn't give a damn if those who adopted me were gayMr_sprinkles
See..its difficult to point that out becuase your brain is developed and you've probably matured.  But you cannot make a judgement like that beucase many events turn out to be hugely significant for children, considering how much they learn and understand at their age.

you'd probably have more trouble if the kid was 13 or something like that, but i five year old wouldn't really care if the parents were gay

well...you would obviously understand it more if you were 13, but if you were a child you would have much more questions since you would view society differently.
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Think of the children, would they really want to have G@y parents and be made fun of at school? his life would be even more scr3wd up
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]If I was an orphan I wouldn't give a damn if those who adopted me were gayDabighit89
See..its difficult to point that out becuase your brain is developed and you've probably matured.  But you cannot make a judgement like that beucase many events turn out to be hugely significant for children, considering how much they learn and understand at their age.

you'd probably have more trouble if the kid was 13 or something like that, but i five year old wouldn't really care if the parents were gay

well...you would obviously understand it more if you were 13, but if you were a child you would have much more questions since you would view society differently.

yea sorry i didn't mean to say children understand alot at their age, but that they learn alot and ask many questions...
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side.  I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want.  The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89
You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt.

Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve.  Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children.  There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.

most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway.

Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there.

what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that.

Ok, but going through all these unnessasary(spelling srry) events and such aren't normal as you would agree.  Many people don't face the fact that these children are viewed differently compared to children from straight families.

they wouldn't be treated as differently as you think. you overexaggerate the issue. They're normal kids, and they wouldn't exactly be walking around with a T-shirt saying "my dads are gay on it. As i said, you greatly overestimate the number of people who would know or care.
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Think of the children, would they really want to have G@y parents and be made fun of at school? his life would be even more scr3wd upGsSanAndreas
More screwed up than being raised in an orphanage?
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#360 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]If I was an orphan I wouldn't give a damn if those who adopted me were gayDabighit89
See..its difficult to point that out becuase your brain is developed and you've probably matured.  But you cannot make a judgement like that beucase many events turn out to be hugely significant for children, considering how much they learn and understand at their age.

you'd probably have more trouble if the kid was 13 or something like that, but i five year old wouldn't really care if the parents were gay

well...you would obviously understand it more if you were 13, but if you were a child you would have much more questions since you would view society differently.

exactly, questions. They haven't formed their opinions on sexuality by that age.
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#361 Kratos_Aurion56
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Think of the children, would they really want to have G@y parents and be made fun of at school? his life would be even more scr3wd upGsSanAndreas

I have a friend with two moms & nobody gives a damn......your argument fails >_>
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I have no problem with it. 
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side.  I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want.  The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Mr_sprinkles
You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt.

Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve.  Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children.  There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.

most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway.

Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there.

what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that.

Ok, but going through all these unnessasary(spelling srry) events and such aren't normal as you would agree.  Many people don't face the fact that these children are viewed differently compared to children from straight families.

they wouldn't be treated as differently as you think. you overexaggerate the issue. They're normal kids, and they wouldn't exactly be walking around with a T-shirt saying "my dads are gay on it. As i said, you greatly overestimate the number of people who would know or care.

YOU wouldn't care , as well as me and others, but don't tell me there aren't jerks in school and society who go around thinking they're powerful and make fun of these particular kids.  Eventually, people would find out that the kid has gay parents, and even 1 bad remark could and would negatively affect the child.
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]People always pick on different people, but there isn't such a thing as a "people hater".  Sure people get bashed , but these children of gay couples would get MORE bashed becuase of factors such as rasicts homophobes etc..Dabighit89
...which are no different then the civil rights movements.

Ok..and in turn there are still rascists today and rascism is also an issue, although not as great as it used to be.

there is racism against all people. and I mean all people.
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[QUOTE="GsSanAndreas"]Think of the children, would they really want to have G@y parents and be made fun of at school? his life would be even more scr3wd upKratos_Aurion56

I have a friend with two moms & nobody gives a damn......your argument fails >_>

and how would you know nobody cares, are you so popular as to hang out with eveyrone and know every single detail in your friends life?...Ok so there are some kids who turn out to be what they are, but their gay parents do have some impact , mabye negatively , on them.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]People always pick on different people, but there isn't such a thing as a "people hater".  Sure people get bashed , but these children of gay couples would get MORE bashed becuase of factors such as rasicts homophobes etc..Hewkii
...which are no different then the civil rights movements.

Ok..and in turn there are still rascists today and rascism is also an issue, although not as great as it used to be.

there is racism against all people. and I mean all people.

Ok, and we wouldn't want to make the situation worse by making people emotionally sad 1 child at a time.
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Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve.  Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children.  There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.Dabighit89
The problem with this stance is that you are trying to restrict ALL couples from having adoption due to the fact that there are going to be some communities that won't be accepting of it, and that's simply not fair for anyone, not for the couple, or for the child who has one less pair of probably qualified parents to raise him/her out there.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve.  Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children.  There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.Skylock00
The problem with this stance is that you are trying to restrict ALL couples from having adoption due to the fact that there are going to be some communities that won't be accepting of it, and that's simply not fair for anyone, not for the couple, or for the child who has one less pair of probably qualified parents to raise him/her out there.

No , just gay couples since they are the minority that cause this extra problem within the child.  Again, im not against gay couples, but there are definately factors that contribute to gay couple adopting.
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side.  I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want.  The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89
You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt.

Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve.  Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children.  There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.

most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway.

Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there.

what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that.

Ok, but going through all these unnessasary(spelling srry) events and such aren't normal as you would agree.  Many people don't face the fact that these children are viewed differently compared to children from straight families.

they wouldn't be treated as differently as you think. you overexaggerate the issue. They're normal kids, and they wouldn't exactly be walking around with a T-shirt saying "my dads are gay on it. As i said, you greatly overestimate the number of people who would know or care.

YOU wouldn't care , as well as me and others, but don't tell me there aren't jerks in school and society who go around thinking they're powerful and make fun of these particular kids.  Eventually, people would find out that the kid has gay parents, and even 1 bad remark could and would negatively affect the child.

you say it like it's the end of the world. Muslim children have endured as much and more since 9/11 and the invasion of iraq. the ignorance of a minority (the majority may not like gays, but they don't all go around making remarks or beating them up) shouldn't get in the way of a couple's desire to have children, nor should it get in the way of giving a child a home. There aren't nearly enough straight couples adopting at the moment. many more children than there are homes to put them in. IVF has meant adoption is a last resort for them. with gays, adoption is an easier option.
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.Dabighit89
You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt.

Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.

most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway.

Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there.

what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that.

Ok, but going through all these unnessasary(spelling srry) events and such aren't normal as you would agree. Many people don't face the fact that these children are viewed differently compared to children from straight families.

they wouldn't be treated as differently as you think. you overexaggerate the issue. They're normal kids, and they wouldn't exactly be walking around with a T-shirt saying "my dads are gay on it. As i said, you greatly overestimate the number of people who would know or care.

YOU wouldn't care , as well as me and others, but don't tell me there aren't jerks in school and society who go around thinking they're powerful and make fun of these particular kids. Eventually, people would find out that the kid has gay parents, and even 1 bad remark could and would negatively affect the child.

kids get made fun of for all kinds of reasons. i was made fun of at school because i was raised by a single divorced mother. i know kids who have been made fun of because of their relgion or whatever. you get over it. nobody can escape adolescence without being teased. to make that an arguement against adoption is ridiculous. kids will always find ways to make fun of other kids no matter what background they come from
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No , just gay couples since they are the minority that cause this extra problem within the child.  Again, im not against gay couples, but there are definately factors that contribute to gay couple adopting.Dabighit89
You're being unfairly selective on this case, though, if you're going to restrict ONE minority, then you are willing to restrict ALL minorities from adopting, due to the possibility that the child would be made fun of more so due to having a particular set of parents. That's the flaw in your whole argument.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]No , just gay couples since they are the minority that cause this extra problem within the child. Again, im not against gay couples, but there are definately factors that contribute to gay couple adopting.Skylock00
You're being unfairly selective on this case, though, if you're going to restrict ONE minority, then you are willing to restrict ALL minorities from adopting, due to the possibility that the child would be made fun of more so due to having a particular set of parents. That's the flaw in your whole argument.

I don't believe I've said it here... Hmm, maybe I have. But you exclude one group, you should exclude all.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]No , just gay couples since they are the minority that cause this extra problem within the child.  Again, im not against gay couples, but there are definately factors that contribute to gay couple adopting.Skylock00
You're being unfairly selective on this case, though, if you're going to restrict ONE minority, then you are willing to restrict ALL minorities from adopting, due to the possibility that the child would be made fun of more so due to having a particular set of parents. That's the flaw in your whole argument.

Again I am not right, and neither are you and everyone else.  Nobody is right becuase things always turn out differently.  Sure its morally right for a gay couple to adopt, but how would anyone know the affects a child can encounter? A lot of this also comes down to the childs personaly and genes.  Maybe researchers , scientists, and such can find out which childs have different personalities and distinguish each so that some are better suited for gay adoption.
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Exactly why this is a difficult opinion to agree on and why I am on neither side. I would want the gay parents to be able to do what they want. The truth is though that the child would be bashed becuase of the fact that rascists and homophobes and such do exist. Society is always harsh, sure, but these kids would be more scrutinized and bashed.firebubbles
You really don't have any proof of that, though...a lot of that would be based on a community by community basis, in addition. Perhaps one community is strongly against a particular race...should a couple of that race living in the community not be allowed to adopt, becuase the child runs risk of being ridiculed for having the parents he/she does? It simply isn't a strong enough case to bar ALL homosexual couples from having the option and opportunity to adopt.

Hah but see, you're not thinking about the CHILD at all, you only see the benefits the gay couple would recieve. Though your argument is valid, I don't see how you think that the child wouldn't be affected negatively because (and im sure you agree) that there ARE many communities that consist of such people who pick on these particular couples and children. There will always be these people in the world and there is no denying it is what it is and these people in the communities will never change.

most of the world is getting used to gay people. They're not persecuted like they used to be. People now are much more tolerant. I say most of the world, the deep south is still having trouble accepting evolution, they aren't ready for gay adoption just yet. but then i doubt may gay people would want to live there anyway.

Hah, but if most of the world is getting used to gay people there wouldn't be debates such as this would there.

what i mean is yes, they may not like it, but they don't go around hunting them down with torches and pitchforks. for the most part, they are treated as normal members of society. I know a few gay people. They've never had any serious problems, an occasional confrontation, but most people just accept them. if they don't like it, they just avoid them, they don't chase them down with a broken bottle or anything like that.

Ok, but going through all these unnessasary(spelling srry) events and such aren't normal as you would agree. Many people don't face the fact that these children are viewed differently compared to children from straight families.

they wouldn't be treated as differently as you think. you overexaggerate the issue. They're normal kids, and they wouldn't exactly be walking around with a T-shirt saying "my dads are gay on it. As i said, you greatly overestimate the number of people who would know or care.

YOU wouldn't care , as well as me and others, but don't tell me there aren't jerks in school and society who go around thinking they're powerful and make fun of these particular kids. Eventually, people would find out that the kid has gay parents, and even 1 bad remark could and would negatively affect the child.

kids get made fun of for all kinds of reasons. i was made fun of at school because i was raised by a single divorced mother. i know kids who have been made fun of because of their relgion or whatever. you get over it. nobody can escape adolescence without being teased. to make that an arguement against adoption is ridiculous. kids will always find ways to make fun of other kids no matter what background they come from

yes , but you dont see many children who come from gay couples do you? Of course people get made fun of, and sure having a single mother is very common i have a friend with one.  But though i dont like to admit it , having gay parents is not "normal", and society would bash on it even more, at least thats my opinion.  But again, like ive stated a 10000000 times before lol, i am on neither side.
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There are always those jerks who make fun of you.  But getting made fun of because of something most other dont have (i.e. gay parents) would hurt the child even more.

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#376 Skylock00
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Again I am not right, and neither are you and everyone else.  Nobody is right becuase things always turn out differently.  Sure its morally right for a gay couple to adopt, but how would anyone know the affects a child can encounter? A lot of this also comes down to the childs personaly and genes.  Maybe researchers , scientists, and such can find out which childs have different personalities and distinguish each so that some are better suited for gay adoption.Dabighit89
Um...you kind of changed your argument rather significantly here. The only point I was proving was that the argument that a homosexual couple shouldn't be allowed, at all, to adopt due to the possibility that the child may be teased more was not a valid argument to take, and now you're trying to pull an argument that homosexuals aren't as fit due to the child not being accepting of his/her parents?

The point that I, and everyone else has made thus far, is that the arguments used against homosexuals having the right to adopt are simply not strong. There isn't anything out there that solidly proves that homosexuals are either inherently better or worse than heterosexuals in terms of raising a child, and the argument regarding children being picked on more doesn't really hold water in the grand scheme of things.
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#377 Skylock00
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There are always those jerks who make fun of you.  But getting made fun of because of something most other dont have (i.e. gay parents) would hurt the child even more.

Dabighit89
I've already shot down this argument, so please don't bring it back into play unless you have sufficient proof of it being an actual stance to take. That argument isn't sufficient to make a stance against gays having adopted children, because that's just like saying that ANY minority group that could possibly be ridiculed in some part of the country shouldn't be allowed at all to have adopted children for the same reason.
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#378 Dabighit89
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Again I am not right, and neither are you and everyone else.  Nobody is right becuase things always turn out differently.  Sure its morally right for a gay couple to adopt, but how would anyone know the affects a child can encounter? A lot of this also comes down to the childs personaly and genes.  Maybe researchers , scientists, and such can find out which childs have different personalities and distinguish each so that some are better suited for gay adoption.Skylock00
Um...you kind of changed your argument rather significantly here. The only point I was proving was that the argument that a homosexual couple shouldn't be allowed, at all, to adopt due to the possibility that the child may be teased more was not a valid argument to take, and now you're trying to pull an argument that homosexuals aren't as fit due to the child not being accepting of his/her parents?

The point that I, and everyone else has made thus far, is that the arguments used against homosexuals having the right to adopt are simply not strong. There isn't anything out there that solidly proves that homosexuals are either inherently better or worse than heterosexuals in terms of raising a child, and the argument regarding children being picked on more doesn't really hold water in the grand scheme of things.

Of course they get picked on more, that is totally ignorant to think children with GAY PARENTS DO NOT get PICKED ON MORE???...and i also stated i am for neither side about 10 times, im just making arguments on this side since I'm the minority here.
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#379 194197844077667059316682358889
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Of course they get picked on more, that is totally ignorant to think children with GAY PARENTS DO NOT get PICKED ON MORE???...and i also stated i am for neither side about 10 times, im just making arguments on this side since I'm the minority here.Dabighit89
Making assertions without corroborating evidence doesn't really convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you...
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#380 lugiemojeed
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I'm for it, if they can take a child off the hands of the government why not
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#381 FrenziedRaldo24
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Why are Gay and Homo banned words in topics titles?:|

Anyway the way I see it a child in the comfort of a home with homo guardians is far better than sitting in the system with no real home, no real family, or with some sorry foster parent hanging on to them simply for the check.

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#382 Dabighit89
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[QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Of course they get picked on more, that is totally ignorant to think children with GAY PARENTS DO NOT get PICKED ON MORE???...and i also stated i am for neither side about 10 times, im just making arguments on this side since I'm the minority here.xaos
Making assertions without corroborating evidence doesn't really convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you...

That is not fair, you cannot provide evidence for this. Ok then in turn how can you make assertions that children with gay parents dont get affected??
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#383 Dabighit89
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It should be blatantly obvious that children with gay parents get made fun of more. Don't try to dissrespect me and say otherwise.  Ok they might not get made fun of that much , but they would be the hot topic of a conversation rath than a child from a straight family...
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#384 Skylock00
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Of course they get picked on more, that is totally ignorant to think children with GAY PARENTS DO NOT get PICKED ON MORE???...and i also stated i am for neither side about 10 times, im just making arguments on this side since I'm the minority here.Dabighit89
Making assertions without corroborating evidence doesn't really convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you...

That is not fair, you cannot provide evidence for this. Ok then in turn how can you make assertions that children with gay parents dont get affected??

No one said that children with gay parents aren't affected in any way at all, but the problem with your argument stems from the assumption that children who are adopted by homosexuals are inherently more likely to be picked on more than other children, which you can't prove, and can't use as a factual backing for your claim.
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#385 Skylock00
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It should be blatantly obvious that children with gay parents get made fun of more. Don't try to dissrespect me and say otherwise.Dabighit89
It isn't blatantly obvious, though, because there isn't anything backing up that stance factually, from what I see. You can make that assumption, and say that it's your opinion, but that's all you can do, and nothing more.   Furthermore, I refer back to my previous comments regarding applying this mentality across ALL minorities, and demonstrating how it doesn't hold water in that sense.
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#386 Mr_sprinkles
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It should be blatantly obvious that children with gay parents get made fun of more. Don't try to dissrespect me and say otherwise.  Ok they might not get made fun of that much , but they would be the hot topic of a conversation rath than a child from a straight family...Dabighit89
in certain communities you could say the same about muslims or black people. should they be allowed to adopt?
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Dabighit89"]Of course they get picked on more, that is totally ignorant to think children with GAY PARENTS DO NOT get PICKED ON MORE???...and i also stated i am for neither side about 10 times, im just making arguments on this side since I'm the minority here.Dabighit89
Making assertions without corroborating evidence doesn't really convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you...

That is not fair, you cannot provide evidence for this. Ok then in turn how can you make assertions that children with gay parents dont get affected??

Studies, such as ones cited here. Charlotte Patterson wrote a peer-reviewed study in 1992 in Child Development magazine that concluded: "Despite dire predictions about children based on well-known theories of psychosocial development, and despite the accumulation of a substantial body of research investigating these issues, not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents."
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ok sorry , im done arguing, you are right and i am wrong. Many would think im some sort of freak for saying the things i said for the support of dissagreeing with gay adoption.  Before i go let me say try thinking if you had gay parents, it wouldnt be the same as having straight parents.  OkOk you'd take it over being an orphan , but don't tell me out of sheer wit that it wont have an impact on you.
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#389 Skylock00
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Before i go let me say try thinking if you had gay parents, it wouldnt be the same as having straight parents.  OkOk you'd take it over being an orphan , but don't tell me out of sheer wit that it wont have an impact on you.Dabighit89
As I've said, no one is saying that there wouldn't be an impact. The point being made is that that impact isn't inherently wrong or bad in and of itself, and hence why I, and some of the others here, don't have an inherent problem with homosexuals being able to adopt children.
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to all those who say gay is natural, until the day i see a wild animal, say a female wolf, give her pups to two strange adult male wolfs who constantly penetrate each other in the anus, i disagree whole heartedly. power_rangerer
Many animals in the wild eat their young; I assume that you support this "natural" behavior?
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to all those who say gay is natural, until the day i see a wild animal, say a female wolf, give her pups to two strange adult male wolfs who constantly penetrate each other in the anus, i disagree whole heartedly. power_rangerer
Many animals show homo-sexual behaviour........
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#393 Loonie
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[QUOTE="thenarkallaptar"]Well if your gay you can't produce children cuz the world just wasn't made that way. So I don't think so.

On another thought.

If we supposedly evolved from monkeys.(which I personally don't believe in). And Monkeys are never homosexual or gay (At least I have never read anything about that at the zoo or seen it there.) So if we are like monkeys, then we shouldn't have homosexuals or gays in our society either should we.
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Male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding. In 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertile egg, which the couple then raised as their own offspring.wikipedia
Awwww :)
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#394 Skylock00
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to all those who say gay is natural, until the day i see a wild animal, say a female wolf, give her pups to two strange adult male wolfs ... i disagree whole heartedly. power_rangerer
I'll ask that you remove the part of your post that I didn't quote, but otherwise, homosexuality DOES naturally occure in nature/animals to a similar percentage that it seems to occur in humans, from all I've read.
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#396 camreeno360
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Well being gay is just a genetic mutation, so any sort of criticism won't work.
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#397 firebubbles
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="thenarkallaptar"]Well if your gay you can't produce children cuz the world just wasn't made that way. So I don't think so.

On another thought.

If we supposedly evolved from monkeys.(which I personally don't believe in). And Monkeys are never homosexual or gay (At least I have never read anything about that at the zoo or seen it there.) So if we are like monkeys, then we shouldn't have homosexuals or gays in our society either should we.
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Male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding. In 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertile egg, which the couple then raised as their own offspring.wikipedia
Awwww :)



*smashes head against keyboard*

for the last time if you are going to argue with evolution, at least get it right.

humans and monkey evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR!!!!!

and on the penguin topic: that is the most adorable thing i have heard all day. it made my day brighter! thankies
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[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]power_rangerer
No, I will not allow this request to be fulfilled, and edit your first post.
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[QUOTE="Shalashaska77"][QUOTE="power_rangerer"]to all those who say gay is natural, until the day i see a wild animal, say a female wolf, give her pups to two strange adult male wolfs who constantly penetrate each other in the anus, i disagree whole heartedly. power_rangerer

Many animals show homo-sexual behaviour........

pics or youtube NOW.

you can look it up yourself.   Im not gonna actively search for gay animal porn.... >_>