Pope accepts big bang theory
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Cool....Now accept that God does not exist.
Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense. this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax. Catholics believe the bible is completely and utterly true in teachings about Jesus Christ necessary for salvation. It shouldn't be read as a scientific or historical text but read rather in the light of Jesus Christ and His teachings. Reading the text in any other way ignores the purpose for which it was written.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. Dr_Manfattan
Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense. this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax. As a Catholic, I've always found that it is the other denominations that are more strict when it comes to the bible and such. That's just my experience though.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. Dr_Manfattan
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. SilenthpsWell you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense. What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seems more idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth.
I just find it funny that you are confident enough to think you have even the slightest clue about Gods plan. Who are you to say that science is wrong and that God's plan was "idiotic" if it fell with in science's parameters?
[QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax. As a Catholic, I've always found that it is the other denominations that are more strict when it comes to the bible and such. That's just my experience though. oooo! A fellow Catholic nice to meet you good sir. It's always good to run into those whom you share something in common with![QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense. Tauruslink
Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense. this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax. Some Protestants are more lax (there are literally THOUSANDS of Protestant denominations), but a lot of Protestants (especially Baptists and in the U.S.) take the bible word-for-word literally, while Catholics tend to have more liberal views of Biblical interpretation, depending on who you ask. Anglicans (like myself) can take the Bible pretty much any way they want as long as they stick with the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, and we're technically Reformed Catholic; Roman Catholicism is very strict in tradition but somewhat liberal in biblical interpretation.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. Dr_Manfattan
[QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thought it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax.Catholics believe the bible is completely and utterly true in teachings about Jesus Christ necessary for salvation. It shouldn't be read as a scientific or historical text but read rather in the light of Jesus Christ and His teachings. Reading the text in any other way ignores the purpose for which it was written.ferrari2001
so catholics believe 100% everything about Jesus and all his teachings and that he is the only way into heaven, all that jazz....but they are ready to accept new theory's outside of the bible in concern to the origin of the universe and humans? (i know it looks like an argument starter but its an actual question :P)
[QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax. Some Protestants are more lax (there are literally THOUSANDS of Protestant denominations), but a lot of Protestants (especially Baptists and in the U.S.) take the bible word-for-word literally, while Catholics tend to have more liberal views of Biblical interpretation, depending on who you ask. Anglicans (like myself) can take the Bible pretty much any way they want as long as they stick with the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, and we're technically Reformed Catholic; Roman Catholicism is very strict in tradition but somewhat liberal in biblical interpretation.ah, thank you. im on a bit of a mission not to turn into an arrogant and ignorant atheist so im trying my best to learn a bit more about the differences in religion...obviously this thread shows us one reason why i was put well off religious people to begin with.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense. Theokhoth
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world 10,000> years ago. It basically starts out by saying "well since the Bible is wrong, lets find out what really happened." It's backwards from the start and no christian should support such nonsense
Silenthps
*sigh* That's completely untrue. If you look at the people who originally opposed the big bang theory, it was atheists who were disturbed by the supposed implications of the universe having a beginning (i.e. the cosmological argument).
Now I have to ask a question; how do you scientifically justify the concept of the universe having a beginning while simulatneously rejecting the big bang theory?
By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book. No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to your interpretation of a very old book with a very dubious origin.Catholics believe the bible is completely and utterly true in teachings about Jesus Christ necessary for salvation. It shouldn't be read as a scientific or historical text but read rather in the light of Jesus Christ and His teachings. Reading the text in any other way ignores the purpose for which it was written.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thought it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax.
Dr_Manfattan
so catholics believe 100% everything about Jesus and all his teachings and that he is the only way into heaven, all that jazz....but they are ready to accept new theory's outside of the bible in concern to the origin of the universe and humans? (i know it looks like an argument starter but its an actual question :P)
Well since Christ did not teach scientific or historical teachings the Church is free to look at and interpret scientific discoveries. It then tries to figure out how God is involved in said theories. The Church doesn't want to reject scientific teachings. They believe that those teachings can lead us closer to God, because if God did indeed create the universe, than the more we learn about the universe the more we can learn about God.
Good to hear. Now, about those condoms....
The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. Silenthps
This is why hardcore religious people really tick me off. You demand respect from other people while pissing on their beliefs, would you be offended by an atheist calling Christianity a load of useless garbage? You'd probably label this person a militant atheist, idiot and so on so forth. But I ask you, why do youthink you have the right to do so?You're no better than that person who proclaims his faith over your one then commenting on other people's faith as being false.
And a Bible verse, just in case you skipped over this part in the Bible
Matthew 7:12
"Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax.As a Catholic, I've always found that it is the other denominations that are more strict when it comes to the bible and such. That's just my experience though. oooo! A fellow Catholic nice to meet you good sir. It's always good to run into those whom you share something in common with! Hahaha that made me laugh. But yeah it may not seem like it, and if you've seen my posting history you might even think I was an atheist or something, but yes I am a Catholic. Go to church every Sunday and everything. :Pferrari2001
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax.Some Protestants are more lax (there are literally THOUSANDS of Protestant denominations), but a lot of Protestants (especially Baptists and in the U.S.) take the bible word-for-word literally, while Catholics tend to have more liberal views of Biblical interpretation, depending on who you ask. Anglicans (like myself) can take the Bible pretty much any way they want as long as they stick with the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, and we're technically Reformed Catholic; Roman Catholicism is very strict in tradition but somewhat liberal in biblical interpretation.ah, thank you. im on a bit of a mission not to turn into an arrogant and ignorant atheist so im trying my best to learn a bit more about the differences in religion...obviously this thread shows us one reason why i was put well off religious people to begin with. :P Nobody in my church is like that, and they're all old people. :PDr_Manfattan
oooo! A fellow Catholic nice to meet you good sir. It's always good to run into those whom you share something in common with! Hahaha that made me laugh. But yeah it may not seem like it, and if you've seen my posting history you might even think I was an atheist or something, but yes I am a Catholic. Go to church every Sunday and everything. :P Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] As a Catholic, I've always found that it is the other denominations that are more strict when it comes to the bible and such. That's just my experience though.Tauruslink
As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book. No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
*sigh* That's completely untrue. If you look at the people who originally opposed the big bang theory, it was atheists who were disturbed by the supposed implications of the universe having a beginning (i.e. the cosmological argument).
Now I have to ask a question; how do you scientifically justify the concept of the universe having a beginning while simulatneously rejecting the big bang theory?
-Sun_Tzu-
By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book. No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to your interpretation of a very old book with a very dubious origin.[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
*sigh* That's completely untrue. If you look at the people who originally opposed the big bang theory, it was atheists who were disturbed by the supposed implications of the universe having a beginning (i.e. the cosmological argument).
Now I have to ask a question; how do you scientifically justify the concept of the universe having a beginning while simulatneously rejecting the big bang theory?
-Sun_Tzu-
@silenthps
So, i've been reading this whole conversation and i would like to say that you are being very ignorant. I am a catholic, i go to church every day and all that jazz, and i can pretty much completely agree with everyone you are arguing with.
The big bang theory does not in any way attempt to disprove God, so why are you arguing against it? Honestly, i think it's people like you who give Christians a bad reputation.
As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity. l0veI believe you, man. Keep preachin' the Gospel of Broseph.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. Vesica_Prime
This is why hardcore religious people really tick me off. You demand respect from other people while pissing on their beliefs, would you be offended by an atheist calling Christianity a load of useless garbage? You'd probably label this person a militant atheist, idiot and so on so forth. But I ask you, why do youthink you have the right to do so?You're no better than that person who proclaims his faith over your one then commenting on other people's faith as being false.
And a Bible verse, just in case you skipped over this part in the Bible
Matthew 7:12
"Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.
I didn't say anyone's beliefs were "a load of useless garbage" chill out dude.The guy who put forth the idea for the Big Bang, before it was called such, was a Roman Catholic Priest. The Pope and his opinions do not represent the whole of Christianity.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110106/sc_nm/us_pope_bigbang
The pope accepts the big bang theory! I find it pretty stupid how the church will end up accepting all the advancement made on how we were created...
shadow13702
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Hahaha that made me laugh. But yeah it may not seem like it, and if you've seen my posting history you might even think I was an atheist or something, but yes I am a Catholic. Go to church every Sunday and everything. :P Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you. Wow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] oooo! A fellow Catholic nice to meet you good sir. It's always good to run into those whom you share something in common with!ferrari2001
Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you. Wow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x lol, take care man. Stay around the boards, I know I'll be here![QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] Hahaha that made me laugh. But yeah it may not seem like it, and if you've seen my posting history you might even think I was an atheist or something, but yes I am a Catholic. Go to church every Sunday and everything. :P
Tauruslink
ah, thank you. im on a bit of a mission not to turn into an arrogant and ignorant atheist so im trying my best to learn a bit more about the differences in religion...obviously this thread shows us one reason why i was put well off religious people to begin with. :P Nobody in my church is like that, and they're all old people. :P i did go through the stage of thinking that all religious people were like Silenthps and that atheists were all knowledgeable and fair minded..then the truth kicked in and i cant help but laugh at how ridiculous the extremes of the religious and the atheist look when arguing. both claiming the greater knowledge, using the same tactics as each other but calling foul on them when they are on the receiving end.[QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Some Protestants are more lax (there are literally THOUSANDS of Protestant denominations), but a lot of Protestants (especially Baptists and in the U.S.) take the bible word-for-word literally, while Catholics tend to have more liberal views of Biblical interpretation, depending on who you ask. Anglicans (like myself) can take the Bible pretty much any way they want as long as they stick with the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, and we're technically Reformed Catholic; Roman Catholicism is very strict in tradition but somewhat liberal in biblical interpretation.Theokhoth
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book.No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution.Silenthps
Don't need a time machine, it's possible to "see" back in time billions of years. That proves at least, the universe is older than 10,000 years. Big bang theory has been supported by experiments done in particle accelerators and complex mathematical equations. Evolution can be studied on a day to day basis, i.e. microbes.
Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you. Wow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] Hahaha that made me laugh. But yeah it may not seem like it, and if you've seen my posting history you might even think I was an atheist or something, but yes I am a Catholic. Go to church every Sunday and everything. :P
Tauruslink
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to your interpretation of a very old book with a very dubious origin.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book.
Ramen1020
@silenthps
So, i've been reading this whole conversation and i would like to say that you are being very ignorant. I am a catholic, i go to church every day and all that jazz, and i can pretty much completely agree with everyone you are arguing with.
The big bang theory does not in any way attempt to disprove God, so why are you arguing against it? Honestly, i think it's people like you who give Christians a bad reputation.
I'm not saying that the big bang theory disprove's God, I'm saying that it's a theory based upon the presupposition that the Bible is false and its a theory thats useless for any one who is a Christian knows the biblical truth of creation. It's basically making the same mistake of Jeremiah 2:13 "for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves, broken cisterns that can hold no water." You're rejecting the true creation story of the Bible, just so you can have the broken story of the big bang/evolutionWow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you. Ramen1020
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
Damn, it's like the Supreme Court in here. :oWow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you. Ramen1020
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
Man.. Both Catholics and fundamentalist Christians are out in full force tonight. It's obviously christian party time!Wow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Wow more than can be said for a lot of people. I personally go to Church daily, but when your studying for the priesthood, a little more is usually expected of you. Ramen1020
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
Me too!
Also, silenthps, please stop misinterpreting the Bible, thanks. (millstones and such)
I didn't say anyone's beliefs were "a load of useless garbage" chill out dude. Silenthps
because the pope rejects science in favor of atheistic fairy tales. Silenthps
What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seems more idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth. Silenthps
Examples of you disrespecting other people's beliefs.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]:P Nobody in my church is like that, and they're all old people. :P i did go through the stage of thinking that all religious people were like Silenthps and that atheists were all knowledgeable and fair minded..then the truth kicked in and i cant help but laugh at how ridiculous the extremes of the religious and the atheist look when arguing. both claiming the greater knowledge, using the same tactics as each other but calling foul on them when they are on the receiving end.[QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]ah, thank you. im on a bit of a mission not to turn into an arrogant and ignorant atheist so im trying my best to learn a bit more about the differences in religion...obviously this thread shows us one reason why i was put well off religious people to begin with.Dr_Manfattan
I've always lived in a very religious area and until probably around 4 or 5 years ago i thought athiests were all very condescending and just out to get the religious people.
But i'm glad there are people like you that don't just go assuming left and right and actually take some time to do look up on it.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book.No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Unfortunately my DeLorean's been in the shop for a while, but one can observe that an event occurred without literally witnessing and observing said event. To have such a ridiculously high standard of evidence would make it impossible to prosecute crimes let alone attempt to figure out the mysteries of the universe. As for the big bang specifically, I'm nowhere near an expert at cosmology and will probably never do the big bang justice with my own words, but as for empirical evidence here you go:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang#Observational_evidenceSilenthps
unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution.[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. pengo93
Don't need a time machine, it's possible to "see" back in time billions of years. That proves at least, the universe is older than 10,000 years. Big bang theory has been supported by experiments done in particle accelerators and complex mathematical equations. Evolution can be studied on a day to day basis, i.e. microbes.
None of that is actually observing though. God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad.As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
l0ve
[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"] Wow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x
coolbeans90
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
Me too!
Also, silenthps, please stop misinterpreting the Bible, thanks. (millstones and such)
Well Hot Dam! And here I thought I was all alone here![QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="Ramen1020"]
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
ferrari2001
Me too!
Also, silenthps, please stop misinterpreting the Bible, thanks. (millstones and such)
Well Hot Dam! And here I thought I was all alone here! He never posts in OT, but do you know WtFDragon? Definitely the smartest and coolest Catholic on this website (er, no offense:P)[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"] Wow really? That takes some commitment, good for you man! Oh and one last thing, we do not worship idols! :x
coolbeans90
Hey i'm a Catholic too! :)
Me too!
Also, silenthps, please stop misinterpreting the Bible, thanks. (millstones and such)
Well, as ferrari2001 said, i think it's Christian party time!
[QUOTE="Silenthps"] because the pope rejects science in favor of atheistic fairy tales. Vesica_Prime
What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seemsmore idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth.Silenthps
Examples of you disrespecting other people's beliefs.
Looks like he straight up called God an idiot as well.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
[QUOTE="Silenthps"] because the pope rejects science in favor of atheistic fairy tales. Vesica_Prime
What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seems more idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth. Silenthps
Examples of you disrespecting other people's beliefs.
Ok i'll give you fairy tales, but saying more idiotic was a response to him calling my beliefs idiotic.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Well Hot Dam! And here I thought I was all alone here! He never posts in OT, but do you know WtFDragon? Definitely the smartest and coolest Catholic on this website (er, no offense:P) I think I've run into WfF a few times, don't know him well though.. If he's the coolest can I at least be the 2nd coolest?Me too!
Also, silenthps, please stop misinterpreting the Bible, thanks. (millstones and such)
Theokhoth
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Well Hot Dam! And here I thought I was all alone here! He never posts in OT, but do you know WtFDragon? Definitely the smartest and coolest Catholic on this website (er, no offense:P)Me too!
Also, silenthps, please stop misinterpreting the Bible, thanks. (millstones and such)
Theokhoth
Whilst lurking religion unions I ran by him. The dude is a beast.
He never posts in OT, but do you know WtFDragon? Definitely the smartest and coolest Catholic on this website (er, no offense:P) I think I've run into WfF a few times, don't know him well though.. If he's the coolest can I at least be the 2nd coolest? Sure. He can be the Pope of coolness, and you can be the secretary of state of coolness.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Well Hot Dam! And here I thought I was all alone here! ferrari2001
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