so the catholic church is official dead now?kayoticdreamz
No. For chrissake the "Big Bang" was formulated by a catholic priest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre).
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@ Silenthps: Are you Jehovas witness or something (they take the bible word for word)? The Bible is a book for guidance not a book of facts. If God wanted us to be close-minded like you are, he would have never given 99 percent of humankind the power of reason.
As A catholic I do not believe the bible is a literal translation of events of creation, thinking that women were created from the rib of a man and that adam named all of the animals is completely absurd. Perhaps God created scientific parameteres for the universe to follow to impose order on everything and those dictated that it would take a while for humans to appear on the planet. If you believe in God and believe he has limitless power than the billions of years that have gone by from the time of the big bang is just a blink of an eye for him. If God is God than he rules time aswell. It makes more sense that God created the universe by the scientific theories that most humans accept to make it understandable. God wants us to be the caretakers of the earth no? To do that we have to understand the planet aswell.
Apparently this forum consists of a bunch of uninformed idiots, as does Yahoo news. The Catholic Church accepted evolution and the "big bang" back in the 80's. This is not news. It's common knowledge among Christians.
It's all part of his plan to ascend to the role of Space Pope. Ace6301
That's the coolest thing I've heard all day.
Lol big bang theory I thought matter couldn't be created or destroyed, so how did it come to be then?RobboElRobbo
Well.. There are some theories.. Which is basically like super mario 64 lol.. Were there is a hub universe and actions that happen in this central hub cause reactions that spark the creations of other universes. All sorts of crazy stuff... It could have been initially created by "god", but not god in the sense that we think as some omnipitent being who watches over our existance.. Maybe just some form of energy or some object that is responsible for the creations of universes and causes big bang reactions.. Because the big bang theory only makes sense seeing as how the universe is expanding at very high speeds. all outward and away from each other.. Which means that everything in the universe had the same place of origin.
fossile record =/= observable evidence. In all my years of living and dealing with people who have been against evolution, I have never heard anyone say this. I am shocked. ..yeah, wow.. just.. wow.. I never could understand religious people's thought of "not ENOUGH evidence = it's not true" (even though there is more than enough evidence), yet they blindly follow a 2,000 year old book with pretty much no actual evidence at all...[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
clayron
and so did I accept it...I firmly believe that God can use "tools" to create what he want...so why not a big bang?http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110106/sc_nm/us_pope_bigbang
The pope accepts the big bang theory! I find it pretty stupid how the church will end up accepting all the advancement made on how we were created...
shadow13702
pope is a moron
Harisemo
So somebody accepts something that you don't and that automatically makes him a moron?
pope is a moron
Harisemo
Why? What exactly does the Big Bang entail that makes him a moron? A person of faith could believe that was the method that god created everything.. Furthermore it doesn't contradict Jesus Christ, the cornerstone of Christianity.
Since when has science ever been a part of Christian belief? Christians have been open to explore science and history for a very very long time. It's only in recent years that Christians have been criticized for ignoring all schooling, science and common sense and to follow the bible as a scientific text book. No thanks, I'm more confident in recent scientific discoveries than the scientific understanding of nomads that lived 4000 years ago. I'll continue to use the bible as it was meant to be read, a book that provides us with the moral codes, the story of Christ and the truths necessary for salvation.Everything that ever contradicts Christian beleifs will eventually become a "coincide" thing.
Infinite_Access
[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]Since when has science ever been a part of Christian belief? Christians have been open to explore science and history for a very very long time. It's only in recent years that Christians have been criticized for ignoring all schooling, science and common sense and to follow the bible as a scientific text book. No thanks, I'm more confident in recent scientific discoveries than the scientific understanding of nomads that lived 4000 years ago. I'll continue to use the bible as it was meant to be read, a book that provides us with the moral codes, the story of Christ and the truths necessary for salvation.Everything that ever contradicts Christian beleifs will eventually become a "coincide" thing.
ferrari2001
Tell that to Galileo.
That's not to say that there aren't many Christians who have accepted science throughouot history, but Christianity in general and as an institution has a long history, since its formation really, of ignoring and sometimes even rejecting scientific observations.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]
pope is a moron
Harisemo
So somebody accepts something that you don't and that automatically makes him a moron?
Big bang contradicts the creation of universe as mentioned in bible. pope should believe what bible says
No the bible says that God created the Universe in some amount of time. A day does not have to necessarily mean 24hours, it could mean 5 billion years. The Big Bang theory still holds that true. The bible is a book of theology meant to teach moral and theological teachings that are necessary for our salvation and sanctification. There is no way God expected the writers of the bible to know science and history. He certainly doesn't expect us to read it like we would a science text book. It is what it is, a book of theology. Ignoring science lessens your understanding of God. To understand God we must more fully understand His creation. By ignoring the truths of science he used to create the universe you ignore His power in it. The bible teaching on how God created the universe would be a worthless waste of space. Try reading the meanings of the text and it's overall implications in our quest for salvation instead of closing your mind to God's creation.[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]
pope is a moron
Harisemo
So somebody accepts something that you don't and that automatically makes him a moron?
Big bang contradicts the creation of universe as mentioned in bible. pope should believe what bible says
No it doesn't.. The Papacy can argue that was a metaphor to what the Big Bang is.. The creation stories in the Bible to many are not taken literally...
The pope accepts the big bang theory! I find it pretty stupid how the church will end up accepting all the advancement made on how we were created...shadow13702Why? Science is merely the means by which we understand the natural world.
Since when has science ever been a part of Christian belief? Christians have been open to explore science and history for a very very long time. It's only in recent years that Christians have been criticized for ignoring all schooling, science and common sense and to follow the bible as a scientific text book. No thanks, I'm more confident in recent scientific discoveries than the scientific understanding of nomads that lived 4000 years ago. I'll continue to use the bible as it was meant to be read, a book that provides us with the moral codes, the story of Christ and the truths necessary for salvation.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]
Everything that ever contradicts Christian beleifs will eventually become a "coincide" thing.
-Sun_Tzu-
Tell that to Galileo.
That's not to say that there aren't many Christians who have accepted science throughouot history, but Christianity in general and as an institution has a long history, since its formation really, of ignoring and sometimes even rejecting scientific observations.
Galileo wasn't punished not of what he taught but rather because he went against the wishes of Rome. They wished that his theories be taught as Hypothesis for the time being within the scientific Circle until more information could be obtained to safeguard the ordinary catholic. However Galileo ignored this request and thus got him in a bit of trouble. They were more than willing to see it as a hypothesis until it could be definitively proven as fact. We know definitely know this as fact and is taught as such, but in those days we had no such factual evidence.It doesn't contradict Christian beliefs though.....:|Everything that ever contradicts Christian beleifs will eventually become a "coincide" thing.
Infinite_Access
Since when has science ever been a part of Christian belief? Christians have been open to explore science and history for a very very long time. It's only in recent years that Christians have been criticized for ignoring all schooling, science and common sense and to follow the bible as a scientific text book. No thanks, I'm more confident in recent scientific discoveries than the scientific understanding of nomads that lived 4000 years ago. I'll continue to use the bible as it was meant to be read, a book that provides us with the moral codes, the story of Christ and the truths necessary for salvation.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]
Everything that ever contradicts Christian beleifs will eventually become a "coincide" thing.
-Sun_Tzu-
Tell that to Galileo.
That's not to say that there aren't many Christians who have accepted science throughouot history, but Christianity in general and as an institution has a long history, since its formation really, of ignoring and sometimes even rejecting scientific observations.
Galileo's situation was much more complicated than that. He faced the ire of the pope because he made him appear a fool in his book. Nothing that would endear one to oneself.[QUOTE="Harisemo"]
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
So somebody accepts something that you don't and that automatically makes him a moron?
sSubZerOo
Big bang contradicts the creation of universe as mentioned in bible. pope should believe what bible says
No it doesn't.. The Papacy can argue that was a metaphor to what the Big Bang is.. The creation stories in the Bible to many are not taken literally...
im sure jesus took em literal
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]
Big bang contradicts the creation of universe as mentioned in bible. pope should believe what bible says
Harisemo
No it doesn't.. The Papacy can argue that was a metaphor to what the Big Bang is.. The creation stories in the Bible to many are not taken literally...
im sure jesus took em literal
Jesus never talked about science dude....[QUOTE="Harisemo"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
No it doesn't.. The Papacy can argue that was a metaphor to what the Big Bang is.. The creation stories in the Bible to many are not taken literally...
LJS9502_basic
im sure jesus took em literal
Jesus never talked about science dude....imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally
Jesus never talked about science dude....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]
im sure jesus took em literal
Harisemo
imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally
You are sure of this because? I'm sure He didn't....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Galileo's situation was much more complicated than that. He faced the ire of the pope because he made him appear a fool in his book. Nothing that would endear one to oneself.:lol: I love the endless certainty with which you assert your uniquely Catholic interpretation of history wherein the Crusades were a secular landgrab, the Pope didn't really care that Galileo was trampling Catholic dogma underfoot and it's purely coincidental that those on one side of the Troubles happen to be Protestant and those on the others Catholic.Well for one thing it's what I've read in regard to the subject and it was not written from a Catholic perspective or by a Catholic. ;)Tell that to Galileo.
That's not to say that there aren't many Christians who have accepted science throughouot history, but Christianity in general and as an institution has a long history, since its formation really, of ignoring and sometimes even rejecting scientific observations.
u_r_a_sausage
Jesus never talked about science dude....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]
im sure jesus took em literal
Harisemo
imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally
... How do you know that? Furthermore does that mean Noah's Ark is to be taken literally to? That the entire earth flooded?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]You are sure of this because? I'm sure He didn't....And why is that? Because it wasn't something he preached.....nor talked about. It's just an assumption you are making.imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally
u_r_a_sausage
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well for one thing it's what I've read in regard to the subject and it was not written from a Catholic perspective or by a Catholic. ;)No, it's one of the things you've read on the subject, which you chose to accept as fact because you liked it the most.I've read about the subject a few times. How does something get accepted in the scientific community? Hint...not just because person A says it. At the time of Galileo there wasn't enough study done on the subject for him to print books stating it as a fact. We know it's a fact today because it's been studied and proven to be true. Not so then. Which was the biggest problem with his ideas. They hadn't been accepted yet by the scientific community. He was asked not to publish his ideas until they had more evidence and conversely if he did to give both sides. He then used a character that was a synonym for fool to quote the pope's view. You can read about it if you choose....or just not study it and think what you want. Matters not to me.[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]:lol: I love the endless certainty with which you assert your uniquely Catholic interpretation of history wherein the Crusades were a secular landgrab, the Pope didn't really care that Galileo was trampling Catholic dogma underfoot and it's purely coincidental that those on one side of the Troubles happen to be Protestant and those on the others Catholic.u_r_a_sausage
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because it wasn't something he preached.....nor talked about. It's just an assumption you are making.I haven't assumed a damn thing, thanks. You're 'sure' that he didn't take it literally, and I'm asking why. No proof.;)[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]And why is that?u_r_a_sausage
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because it wasn't something he preached.....nor talked about. It's just an assumption you are making.I haven't assumed a damn thing, thanks. You're 'sure' that he didn't take it literally, and I'm asking why. Because there is absolutely no teaching, traditions or biblical evidence to prove otherwise. Christ came to save sinners, not to get caught up in worldly affairs.[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]And why is that?u_r_a_sausage
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Jesus never talked about science dude....sSubZerOo
imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally
... How do you know that? Furthermore does that mean Noah's Ark is to be taken literally to? That the entire earth flooded?
these stories are meant to be taken literally and thats how people viewed them before. it is only just now that christians find it embarrassing to believe in these stories so they say "oh its not meant to be taken literally". i guarantee in a couple hundred years there will be christians whosay thatGod in bible is not to be taken literally.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Since when has science ever been a part of Christian belief? Christians have been open to explore science and history for a very very long time. It's only in recent years that Christians have been criticized for ignoring all schooling, science and common sense and to follow the bible as a scientific text book. No thanks, I'm more confident in recent scientific discoveries than the scientific understanding of nomads that lived 4000 years ago. I'll continue to use the bible as it was meant to be read, a book that provides us with the moral codes, the story of Christ and the truths necessary for salvation. ferrari2001
Tell that to Galileo.
That's not to say that there aren't many Christians who have accepted science throughouot history, but Christianity in general and as an institution has a long history, since its formation really, of ignoring and sometimes even rejecting scientific observations.
Galileo wasn't punished not of what he taught but rather because he went against the wishes of Rome. They wished that his theories be taught as Hypothesis for the time being within the scientific Circle until more information could be obtained to safeguard the ordinary catholic. However Galileo ignored this request and thus got him in a bit of trouble. They were more than willing to see it as a hypothesis until it could be definitively proven as fact. We know definitely know this as fact and is taught as such, but in those days we had no such factual evidence. Galileo was punished because what he taught went against the wishes of Rome. During Galileo's time from a scientific perspective, the best model for the solar system was the heliocentric model, and it was rejected by the church not because of scientific skepticism but because it contradicted dogma, and eventually Galileo was put on trial for publically advocating a so-called false and heretical doctrine.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]
imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally
Harisemo
... How do you know that? Furthermore does that mean Noah's Ark is to be taken literally to? That the entire earth flooded?
these stories are meant to be taken literally and thats how people viewed them before. it is only just now that christians find it embarrassing to believe in these stories so they say "oh its not meant to be taken literally". i guarantee in a couple hundred years there will be christians whosay thatGod in bible is not to be taken literally.
Who says they are meant to be taken literally? You? I've never been taught to take them literally.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Galileo wasn't punished not of what he taught but rather because he went against the wishes of Rome. They wished that his theories be taught as Hypothesis for the time being within the scientific Circle until more information could be obtained to safeguard the ordinary catholic. However Galileo ignored this request and thus got him in a bit of trouble. They were more than willing to see it as a hypothesis until it could be definitively proven as fact. We know definitely know this as fact and is taught as such, but in those days we had no such factual evidence. Galileo was punished because what he taught went against the wishes of Rome. During Galileo's time from a scientific perspective, the best model for the solar system was the heliocentric model, and it was rejected by the church not because of scientific skepticism but because it contradicted dogma, and eventually Galileo was put on trial for publically advocating a so-called false and heretical doctrine. Yes it is what we know today. But back then it just wasn't scientifically proven or accepted. He was asked not to teach it because they didn't have that proof. And if he wanted to teach it to include BOTH sides. Don't we want more from our scientific advancements than an idea from one individual?Tell that to Galileo.
That's not to say that there aren't many Christians who have accepted science throughouot history, but Christianity in general and as an institution has a long history, since its formation really, of ignoring and sometimes even rejecting scientific observations.
-Sun_Tzu-
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