Pope accepts big bang theory

He did have his own ideas in his time but he didn't publish because his ideas were too novel and he didn't think society would accept them. Though he did continue work....

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not surprising. The Big Bang is still a theory formulated by humans who have never left their own solar system (just to put things in perspective), but there's no reason why the theory and God can't coexist. There's no reason why evolution and God can't coexist either.

RationalAtheist

Doesn't that depend on the God?

It depends on our interpretation of ancient writings,and our assumptions about that God. We should all be aware that there are some things in the Bible that aren't meant to be taken literally, and some that are. I think that most mainstream religions have forgotten the fact that the book was written from the awestruck perspectives of people living thousands of years ago. They had no technological perspective, and would think that a modern fighter pilot was a God.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes it is what we know today. But back then it just wasn't scientifically proven or accepted. He was asked not to teach it because they didn't have that proof. And if he wanted to teach it to include BOTH sides. Don't we want more from our scientific advancements than an idea from one individual?

ferrari2001

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He did have his own ideas in his time but he didn't publish because his ideas were too novel and he didn't think society would accept them. Though he did continue work....

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not surprising. The Big Bang is still a theory formulated by humans who have never left their own solar system (just to put things in perspective), but there's no reason why the theory and God can't coexist. There's no reason why evolution and God can't coexist either.

hartsickdiscipl

Doesn't that depend on the God?

It depends on our interpretation of ancient writings,and ourassumptions about that God. We should all be aware that there are some things in the Bible that aren't meant to be taken literally, and some that are. I think that most mainstream religions have forgotten the fact that the book was written from the awestruck perspectives ofpeople living thousands of years ago. They had no technological perspective, and would think that a modern fighter pilot was a God.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not surprising. The Big Bang is still a theory formulated by humans who have never left their own solar system (just to put things in perspective), but there's no reason why the theory and God can't coexist. There's no reason why evolution and God can't coexist either.

u_r_a_sausage

What are you trying to say? That because we can see a planetoid in orbit in our own solar system with telescopes and satellites, that we can also determine the origin of a universe that's billions of years old? :?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Heliocentrism at the time was a lot more than just "an idea from one individual". Again, heliocentrism was rejected not because of scientific skepticism but because of religious dogma. Based on what was known during Galileo's time, heliocentrism was the best model for the solar system, and the skepticism that was directed towards heliocentrism were fueled by the fact that it contradicted the dogma held at the time by the Church. What the church was essentially saying to Galileo was that there isn't enough evidence to support heliocentrism to warrant a reinterpretation of scripture, and they really needlessly slowed down the inevitable widespread acceptance of the heliocentric model by suppressing evidence and arguments in favor of said model, and that's a horrible way to conduct scientific inquiry. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]HOW DO SCIENTISTS KNOW PLUTO EXISTS HMM HMM HAVE THEY EVER BEEN THERE NOOOOOOOOOu_r_a_sausage

What are you trying to say? That because we can see a planetoid in orbit in our own solar system with telescopes and satellites, that we can also determine the origin of a universe that's billions of years old? :?

If you think we have any kind of decent perspective on our universe, you're wrong. There's nothing childish about humility my friend. Quite the opposite. Don't you think that people hundreds of years ago had theories about cosmic events that they were almost sure were correct? Wait a couple hundred years, and you will see our whole picture change. That's the way of things.

This is great. I hope now more Atheists will be more tolerant to us Catholics now. We are a lot more accepting and open-minded than you may think!

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

This is great. I hope now more Atheists will be more tolerant to us Catholics now. We are a lot more accepting and open-minded than you may think!

u_r_a_sausage

I don't know, I'm not God. What the hell does that have to do with my statement? :|

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

imtalking aboutthe genesis chapter in old testament. im sure jesus took it literally

Harisemo

... How do you know that? Furthermore does that mean Noah's Ark is to be taken literally to? That the entire earth flooded?

these stories are meant to be taken literally and thats how people viewed them before. it is only just now that christians find it embarrassing to believe in these stories so they say "oh its not meant to be taken literally". i guarantee in a couple hundred years there will be christians whosay thatGod in bible is not to be taken literally.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Loegi"]

Dude what? The pope is dismissing his own religion?

What is this I don't even

Loegi

"God created heaven and earth" Doesn't this sentence imply that there was no big bang?

let me give you an example... lets say that you built your own house, and people ask you "hey who built this house?" and you tell them "I did" does that means that you build the house with your own bare hands? no, it means you used tools to build your house...its the same thing there...it says God created heaven and earth it doesnt say he didnt wanted to use some "tool" (the big bang in this case) for it

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]No, I'm taking the piss out of your frankly childish drawing of a link between where humans have been and whether they can know the origin of the universe.u_r_a_sausage

If you think we have any kind of decent perspective on our universe, you're wrong. There's nothing childish about humility my friend. Quite the opposite. Don't you think that people hundreds of years ago had theories about cosmic events that they were almost sure were correct? Wait a couple hundred years, and you will see our whole picture change. That's the way of things.

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

This is great. I hope now more Atheists will be more tolerant to us Catholics now. We are a lot more accepting and open-minded than you may think!

u_r_a_sausage

This is not news. Hell, the Big Bang theory was formulated by a Catholic priest. :|Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... How do you know that? Furthermore does that mean Noah's Ark is to be taken literally to? That the entire earth flooded?

LJS9502_basic

these stories are meant to be taken literally and thats how people viewed them before. it is only just now that christians find it embarrassing to believe in these stories so they say "oh its not meant to be taken literally". i guarantee in a couple hundred years there will be christians whosay thatGod in bible is not to be taken literally.

i went to a christian school till the 9th grade and yes, we were taught that everything that happened in the bible actually happened. god created the earth in 6 days, jonah swallowed by the whale, noah's ark, sharach, meshach and abednego all literally happened. most, if not all the christians i know believe those events really happened.

Fail. Just wow.

So he's not a creationist anymore?

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]Really? Where do you think atheists go when they die?u_r_a_sausage

I don't know, I'm not God. What the hell does that have to do with my statement? :|

So he's not a creationist anymore?

DaJuicyMan

So he's not a creationist anymore?

So he's not a creationist anymore?

I'm not sure why some people in this thread are embracing literalism. The Bible falls apart if you take it literally.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]When did I claim it was a church teaching? The only one lying about who's claimed what is you. The point was that, well, I think we both know very well where the average Catholic thinks atheists, gays and fornicators are going after they die if they don't apologise for it to your sky-fairy beforehand.u_r_a_sausage

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]Excuse me? The person with whom I was talking before you butted in was talking about how Catholics are accepting and tolerant. What it is that the average Catholic thinks about eternal hellfire is therefore relevant. Besides which, I'd hardly say they're 'wrong' - it seems to me a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the Catechism, which states that 'To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice.'u_r_a_sausage

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]What you're saying directly contradicts the catechism. It says that dying in sin means separation from God, and you're saying that's not necessarily the case.u_r_a_sausage

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]No, I'm taking the piss out of your frankly childish drawing of a link between where humans have been and whether they can know the origin of the universe.u_r_a_sausage

If you think we have any kind of decent perspective on our universe, you're wrong. There's nothing childish about humility my friend. Quite the opposite. Don't you think that people hundreds of years ago had theories about cosmic events that they were almost sure were correct? Wait a couple hundred years, and you will see our whole picture change. That's the way of things.

There have been plenty of things that have had plentiful evidence to support them, and turned out to be incorrect and/or incomplete. Just look at how many people get convicted of murder and turn out to be innocent.

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] He never was a creationist. He was just reminding Catholics that the Big Bang shouldn't be a negative on their faith and that God can work through events like the big bang. Nothing new here. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]Hah. You don't have the slightest clue about the plentiful evidence for the big bang, and if you actually had any humility yourself you'd stop talking s**t about things you don't understand. Hypocrite.u_r_a_sausage

There have been plenty of things that have had plentiful evidence to support them, and turned out to be incorrect and/or incomplete. Just look at how many people get convicted of murder and turn out to be innocent.

Actually, if you look at the Bible from the perspective that God and the Angels are highly technologically advanced extraterrestrials, and not the creations that most translations of the Bible paint them out to be, it makes perfect sense. To me that is. We should keep in mind that the book was written by men thousands of years ago who wouldn't know the difference between something that was "supernatural," or just highly technologically advanced. After all,"supernatural" really means science that we don't understand at this time. I can understand if you won't buy into it, since you don't have the background that I do. Some people resort to hurling insults and attacking positions that they haven't even attempted to understand. I'm used to it, been on OT for a long time now.

Say what you will but... I believe in the Big bang theory as well. The difference, between myself and others who believe in it, is that I believe God is the one who started the big bang.

Well it's a good show I don't see why he wouldn't.Agent-Zero

You win this thread

Big bang theory is false, who made the quark and the energy for it to expand into the universe