[QUOTE="l0ve"]Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad. Yeah, I agree. I love my religion (Baptist Christian) as much as anyone. But I can not ignore the world I am living in for an existence I may or may not ever see. Evolution; I believe it. I can see it. How can it not be real? The Big Bang Theory has been put forth by minds much more intelligent than my own, and seems to be gaining tremendous momentum. It's, at the very least, worth opening your mind to.As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
Tauruslink
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[QUOTE="pengo93"]
[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
Don't need a time machine, it's possible to "see" back in time billions of years. That proves at least, the universe is older than 10,000 years. Big bang theory has been supported by experiments done in particle accelerators and complex mathematical equations. Evolution can be studied on a day to day basis, i.e. microbes.
None of that is actually observing though. God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.Uhuh. He tells a lot of people a lot of things. But couldn't they possibly be lying?
unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Unfortunately my DeLorean's been in the shop for a while, but one can observe that an event occurred without literally witnessing and observing said event. To have such a ridiculously high standard of evidence would make it impossible to prosecute crimes let alone attempt to figure out the mysteries of the universe. As for the big bang specifically, I'm nowhere near an expert at cosmology and will probably never do the big bang justice with my own words, but as for empirical evidence here you go:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang#Observational_evidenceTrust me, I know about that already and that's not true observational evidence. Also, there's a HUGE difference between prosecuting crimes and coming up with scientific theories... for one its acceptable for it to be just beyond reasonable doubt, however for something to be considered a scientific fact it needs to be held to a much higher standard.[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. -Sun_Tzu-
edit: also, maybe science shouldn't be attempting to figure out mysteries of the origins of the universe. Maybe science should focus on the NOW and what they can actually OBSERVE and stop making SPECULATIONS about what happened billions of years ago. Maybe mankind should stop being so arrogant as to assume they could figure such things out and actually use their minds to develop things that will actually benefit humanity.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I think I've run into WfF a few times, don't know him well though.. If he's the coolest can I at least be the 2nd coolest? Sure. He can be the Pope of coolness, and you can be the secretary of state of coolness. That works for me. I don't like being #1 anyways you get to much attention.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] He never posts in OT, but do you know WtFDragon? Definitely the smartest and coolest Catholic on this website (er, no offense:P)Theokhoth
[QUOTE="l0ve"]Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad. Meh there is nothing wrong with this particular fear. Its not like I'm in constant fear, just fear of screwing up and committing a sin. Not committing sins isn't that difficult.As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
Tauruslink
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="l0ve"]Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad. Meh there is nothing wrong with this particular fear. Its not like I'm in constant fear, just fear of screwing up and committing a sin. Not committing sins isn't that difficult. I disagree, I think avoiding sin is incredibly difficult. But I guess that's why Christianity teaches of repentance and forgiveness.As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
l0ve
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="l0ve"]Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad. Yeah, I agree. I love my religion (Baptist Christian) as much as anyone. But I can not ignore the world I am living in for an existence I may or may not ever see. Evolution; I believe it. I can see it. How can it not be real? The Big Bang Theory has been put forth by minds much more intelligent than my own, and seems to be gaining tremendous momentum. It's, at the very least, worth opening your mind to. Its not worth the chance when it may have the chance of even slightly diminishing my faith.As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
clayron
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="l0ve"]Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad. Meh there is nothing wrong with this particular fear. Its not like I'm in constant fear, just fear of screwing up and committing a sin. Not committing sins isn't that difficult.As a strong believer in the Bible I reject the big bang theory and evolution. I don't care if I might be wrong I just want to go to heaven at any cost. I'm not going to take any chances. I believe the Bible word for word and try to follow its rules as much as I possibly can. Yep no premarital sex, that's a severe sin. This has not diminished the quality of my life in any way. I am really scared of burning in hell for all eternity.
l0ve
Fear and control, one of the main reasons organised religion exists. I feel sorry for you, my friend - but they way religion makes you feel is one of the reasons I despise it so much.
None of that is actually observing though. God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
[QUOTE="pengo93"]
Don't need a time machine, it's possible to "see" back in time billions of years. That proves at least, the universe is older than 10,000 years. Big bang theory has been supported by experiments done in particle accelerators and complex mathematical equations. Evolution can be studied on a day to day basis, i.e. microbes.
pengo93
Uhuh. He tells a lot of people a lot of things. But couldn't they possibly be lying?
possibly but not probably[QUOTE="pengo93"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] None of that is actually observing though. God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.
Silenthps
Uhuh. He tells a lot of people a lot of things. But couldn't they possibly be lying?
possibly but not probably Let me ask why would what God told Moses be so important to the biblical story of creation? Considering the first 5 books of the bible were most likely written by 4 different authors or group of authors based on the extreme change in literal style and writing. And what purpose would it serve for Moses to know how the universe was created. To me, that sound like a pretty trivial things when your dealing with the here and now of saving the Israelites from bondage and captivity.Meh there is nothing wrong with this particular fear. Its not like I'm in constant fear, just fear of screwing up and committing a sin. Not committing sins isn't that difficult.[QUOTE="l0ve"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] Not trying to be offensive here, but it seems like your whole faith is based on fear. I find that kinda sad.raynimrod
Fear and control, one of the main reasons organised religion exists. I feel sorry for you, my friend - but they way religion makes you feel is one of the reasons I despise it so much.
True Christianity is not about fear and control. In fact in order for you to be a Christian you pretty much have to believe that you're NOT going to hell because Jesus suffered your hell punishment for you.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Unfortunately my DeLorean's been in the shop for a while, but one can observe that an event occurred without literally witnessing and observing said event. To have such a ridiculously high standard of evidence would make it impossible to prosecute crimes let alone attempt to figure out the mysteries of the universe. As for the big bang specifically, I'm nowhere near an expert at cosmology and will probably never do the big bang justice with my own words, but as for empirical evidence here you go:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang#Observational_evidenceTrust me, I know about that already and that's not true observational evidence. Also, there's a HUGE difference between prosecuting crimes and coming up with scientific theories... for one its acceptable for it to be just beyond reasonable doubt, however for something to be considered a scientific fact it needs to be held to a much higher standard. You are right that there is a huge difference between prosecuting crimes and coming up with scientific theories, but I never said there wasn't a difference. The reason for the analogy was to illustrate that you don't have to have first hand accounts of an event to have empirical evidence that an event occurred. Also, I'd appreciate it if you held your own evidence to the same standard as you hold mine. Did you witness God creating the universe? Unless you did, by your definition of observation, you don't have any observational evidence that supports your position.[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.SilenthpsHow do you know this was the case? Did you go back in time and observe God telling Moses about the origins of the universe? Do you have any contemporary accounts of God speaking to Moses? Do you even have any contemporary accounts of Moses' existence?
:lol: My first thought when I saw this thread was the TV show, not the actual theory. >_>;I bet he has the hots for Penny too.
Lto_thaG
[QUOTE="raynimrod"][QUOTE="l0ve"] Meh there is nothing wrong with this particular fear. Its not like I'm in constant fear, just fear of screwing up and committing a sin. Not committing sins isn't that difficult. Silenthps
Fear and control, one of the main reasons organised religion exists. I feel sorry for you, my friend - but they way religion makes you feel is one of the reasons I despise it so much.
True Christianity is not about fear and control. In fact in order for you to be a Christian you pretty much have to believe that you're NOT going to hell because Jesus suffered your hell punishment for you.As far as I'm concerned, all organised religion is about fear and control, one way or another. It's why it exists in the first place, on top of being a way to easily explain all that couldn't be explained back in the day.
Also, Christianity is so diverse, there's no such thing as being "Christian" in such a way that it means one thing. There are many "Christians" who believe in hell and expect sinners to go there.
edit: also, maybe science shouldn't be attempting to figure out mysteries of the origins of the universe. Maybe science should focus on the NOW and what they can actually OBSERVE and stop making SPECULATIONS about what happened billions of years ago. Maybe mankind should stop being so arrogant as to assume they could figure such things out and actually use their minds to develop things that will actually benefit humanity.
Silenthps
The same science that you condemn is the same science that has benefited humanity in absolutely extraordinary ways. Take it or leave it.
And there's nothing arrogant about curiosity. Hell, if it wasn't for curiosity, mankind wouldn't have achieved what it has over the centuries.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="pengo93"]possibly but not probably Let me ask why would what God told Moses be so important to the biblical story of creation? Considering the first 5 books of the bible were most likely written by 4 different authors or group of authors based on the extreme change in literal style and writing. And what purpose would it serve for Moses to know how the universe was created. To me, that sound like a pretty trivial things when your dealing with the here and now of saving the Israelites from bondage and captivity. If you wanna believe in liberal scholars be my guest, but the first 5 books were written by Moses. Moses didn't know "how" the universe was created any more than Peter knows "how" Jesus was resurrected. Moses (and Peter) did know that the "what" however. The "what" being that God created the world a few thousand years ago in 6 literal days. And it may seem trivial to you if you a liberal view of the Torah, but the creation story has tons of significance to Christianity.Uhuh. He tells a lot of people a lot of things. But couldn't they possibly be lying?
ferrari2001
>>implying the big big theory is anymore accurate than the christian "creation" story.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
edit: also, maybe science shouldn't be attempting to figure out mysteries of the origins of the universe. Maybe science should focus on the NOW and what they can actually OBSERVE and stop making SPECULATIONS about what happened billions of years ago. Maybe mankind should stop being so arrogant as to assume they could figure such things out and actually use their minds to develop things that will actually benefit humanity.
LikeHaterade
The same science that you condemn is the same science that has benefited humanity in absolutely extraordinary ways. Take it or leave it.
And there's nothing arrogant about curiosity. Hell, if it wasn't for curiosity, mankind wouldn't have achieved what it has over the centuries.
The science - yes. But the story of the big bang and the story of evolution - no.
And yes ignoring the scientific truths of the world is a much more appropriate course of action. Time to get with the times. The Big Bang and Evolution are the most likely explanations about how the universe and life originated. It's probably time to accept them. It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world 10,000> years ago. It basically starts out by saying "well since the Bible is wrong, lets find out what really happened." It's backwards from the start and no christian should support such nonsense You believe that the world isn't billions of years old?[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Pretty sure many catholic religious figures have accepted big bang theory for quite a while now. [QUOTE="Silenthps"]yet another reason to not be a CatholicSilenthps
Let me ask why would what God told Moses be so important to the biblical story of creation? Considering the first 5 books of the bible were most likely written by 4 different authors or group of authors based on the extreme change in literal style and writing. And what purpose would it serve for Moses to know how the universe was created. To me, that sound like a pretty trivial things when your dealing with the here and now of saving the Israelites from bondage and captivity. If you wanna believe in liberal scholars be my guest, but the first 5 books were written by Moses. Moses didn't know "how" the universe was created any more than Peter knows "how" Jesus was resurrected. Moses (and Peter) did know that the "what" however. The "what" being that God created the world a few thousand years ago in 6 literal days. And it may seem trivial to you if you a liberal view of the Torah, but the creation story has tons of significance to Christianity. I agree it has significance, especially with the introduction of sin, the commandments, the law, God's acting hand in the foundation of the Jewish people. All of those are very important points, but they are theological ones. Seeing the bible as a science book is a wrong interpretation. And why does it have to be a literal day. If the world was not yet created than how long was a day. The concept of time is a human invention 24 hrs = day is completely formed by humans. God needs no concept of time and works outside of it. couldn't a day represent hundreds of millions of year?[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]possibly but not probablySilenthps
[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]
edit: also, maybe science shouldn't be attempting to figure out mysteries of the origins of the universe. Maybe science should focus on the NOW and what they can actually OBSERVE and stop making SPECULATIONS about what happened billions of years ago. Maybe mankind should stop being so arrogant as to assume they could figure such things out and actually use their minds to develop things that will actually benefit humanity.
Silenthps
The same science that you condemn is the same science that has benefited humanity in absolutely extraordinary ways. Take it or leave it.
And there's nothing arrogant about curiosity. Hell, if it wasn't for curiosity, mankind wouldn't have achieved what it has over the centuries.
The science - yes. But the story of the big bang and the story of evolution - no.They're scientific theories, not stories. The scientific method used to discover and develop antibiotics, is no different than the one used to theorize the beginning of the universe, or how humans came to be.
Trust me, I know about that already and that's not true observational evidence. Also, there's a HUGE difference between prosecuting crimes and coming up with scientific theories... for one its acceptable for it to be just beyond reasonable doubt, however for something to be considered a scientific fact it needs to be held to a much higher standard. You are right that there is a huge difference between prosecuting crimes and coming up with scientific theories, but I never said there wasn't a difference. The reason for the analogy was to illustrate that you don't have to have first hand accounts of an event to have empirical evidence that an event occurred. Also, I'd appreciate it if you held your own evidence to the same standard as you hold mine. Did you witness God creating the universe? Unless you did, by your definition of observation, you don't have any observational evidence that supports your position.[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Unfortunately my DeLorean's been in the shop for a while, but one can observe that an event occurred without literally witnessing and observing said event. To have such a ridiculously high standard of evidence would make it impossible to prosecute crimes let alone attempt to figure out the mysteries of the universe. As for the big bang specifically, I'm nowhere near an expert at cosmology and will probably never do the big bang justice with my own words, but as for empirical evidence here you go:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang#Observational_evidence
-Sun_Tzu-
God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.SilenthpsHow do you know this was the case? Did you go back in time and observe God telling Moses about the origins of the universe? Do you have any contemporary accounts of God speaking to Moses? Do you even have any contemporary accounts of Moses' existence?For something to be considered a scientific fact, a first hand account should be necessary. And if thats not the case, then no fundamentalist should ever be made fun of for rejecting science, since science has rejected truth. And I know this was the case cause Jesus affirmed it.
[QUOTE="pengo93"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] None of that is actually observing though. God actually OBSERVED the creation of the universe and was able to tell Moses about it.
Silenthps
Uhuh. He tells a lot of people a lot of things. But couldn't they possibly be lying?
possibly but not probablyWhen I was a kid I learned about the teachings of the Bible from our scripture teacher (treat unto others, love, etc, basically what my Mum would tell me anyway) as well as the creation story. Obviously I was the more scientific type and started to question creationism but I still believed in God. As I got older I realised two things:
1. Most religions claim to be the "right" religion and denounce others, and
2. People in developed countries put so much faith in God, and thank him for everything good in their lives and pray to him for a good life, yet in many developing nations children starve to death daily, people contract diseases, wars ravage small communities and many innocent people die.
Now, I'm not saying there is no God, but if he exists he is nothing like any religion describes. Basically, he mustn't give a **** about people if innocent people die like this.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book.No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.Silenthps
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
possibly but not probably[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="pengo93"]
Uhuh. He tells a lot of people a lot of things. But couldn't they possibly be lying?
pengo93
When I was a kid I learned about the teachings of the Bible from our scripture teacher (treat unto others, love, etc, basically what my Mum would tell me anyway) as well as the creation story. Obviously I was the more scientific type and started to question creationism but I still believed in God. As I got older I realised two things:
1. Most religions claim to be the "right" religion and denounce others, and
2. People in developed countries put so much faith in God, and thank him for everything good in their lives and pray to him for a good life, yet in many developing nations children starve to death daily, people contract diseases, wars ravage small communities and many innocent people die.
Now, I'm not saying there is no God, but if he exists he is nothing like any religion describes. Basically, he mustn't give a **** about people if innocent people die like this.
It's all apart of His will, a will that no human can understand.[QUOTE="Silenthps"]If you wanna believe in liberal scholars be my guest, but the first 5 books were written by Moses. Moses didn't know "how" the universe was created any more than Peter knows "how" Jesus was resurrected. Moses (and Peter) did know that the "what" however. The "what" being that God created the world a few thousand years ago in 6 literal days. And it may seem trivial to you if you a liberal view of the Torah, but the creation story has tons of significance to Christianity. I agree it has significance, especially with the introduction of sin, the commandments, the law, God's acting hand in the foundation of the Jewish people. All of those are very important points, but they are theological ones. Seeing the bible as a science book is a wrong interpretation. And why does it have to be a literal day. If the world was not yet created than how long was a day. The concept of time is a human invention 24 hrs = day is completely formed by humans. God needs no concept of time and works outside of it. couldn't a day represent hundreds of millions of year?It was a literal day because it said there was evening and morning... And no, God created the concept of time. " And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Genesis 1:5 God Himself, named it day and named it night. All versions of the Bible, along with the original Hebrew pretty much say the same thing.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Let me ask why would what God told Moses be so important to the biblical story of creation? Considering the first 5 books of the bible were most likely written by 4 different authors or group of authors based on the extreme change in literal style and writing. And what purpose would it serve for Moses to know how the universe was created. To me, that sound like a pretty trivial things when your dealing with the here and now of saving the Israelites from bondage and captivity. ferrari2001
unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No, the difference between how you account for how the universe began and how I account for how the universe began is that my account has a plethora of empirical evidence to support it while your account hinges on a fallacious appeal to a very old book with a very dubious origin. BuryMe
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
fossile record =/= observable evidence.[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
fossile record =/= observable evidence. Why? The fossil record is deffinately observable...And even without that, evolution is still observable. We've seen bacteria evolve into strains that are resistant to antibiotics.
fossile record =/= observable evidence. Why? The fossil record is deffinately observable...[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
BuryMe
And even without that, evolution is still observable. We've seen bacteria evolve into strains that are resistant to antibiotics.
Not to mention the observable evidence of evolution even within the human species. Ex. Humans have been steadily grow taller on average than thousands even hundreds of years ago. We can see that species evolve and change over time based upon their environment and habits. This is consistent with all the fossil and environmental observations we have observed.For something to be considered a scientific fact, a first hand account should be necessary.Silenthps
Says who? It's pretty much a fact that everyone that is alive will someday die, but not everyone has had their death observed. Are these people still alive? If a living man dissapears into a forrest never to be seen again does he live forever? Do you believe that people like Amelia Earhart is still alive? With your standard of proof you'd be compelled to say yes to all three questions.
And if thats not the case, then no fundamentalist should ever be made fun of for rejecting science, since science has rejected truth. And I know this was the case cause Jesus affirmed it. Silenthps
So scripture can never be wrong? It's never even possible? Whenever something contradicts scripture it's always that "something" and never scripture that is wrong?
And did you actually witness Jesus affirm that God created the universe 10,000 years ago or that God told Moses that he created the universe 10,000 years ago, or that Moses even existed?
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
fossile record =/= observable evidence. What about breeding of animals? The way we've domesticated and bred animals is an example of evolution in action. It's just how species change over time. There's no "story" involved. Furthermore, there is evidence of the Big Bang - the expansion of the universe and cosmic background radiation. There are others who are more knowledgable than I.
The big bang theory doesn't disprove christianity or anything. Nothing wrong with accepting it. Tetrarch9exactly, no where dose it say GOD dose not exsist
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
fossile record =/= observable evidence. In all my years of living and dealing with people who have been against evolution, I have never heard anyone say this. I am shocked.[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
fossile record =/= observable evidence.By that logic, fingerprints are useless in finding a criminal and the fact footprints move in the same direction as a person walking on the beach is pure coincidence.
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.[QUOTE="Silenthps"] unless you have a time machine, you have no empirical evidence for the big bang or the story of evolution. Silenthps
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
fossile record =/= observable evidence.Question.. If you as so quick to deny anything that science tries to explain because of "a lack of evidence.."
Why do you follow religion so blindly?..
maybe science shouldn't be attempting to figure out mysteries of the origins of the universe. Maybe science should focus on the NOW and what they can actually OBSERVE and stop making SPECULATIONS about what happened billions of years ago. Maybe mankind should stop being so arrogant as to assume they could figure such things out and actually use their minds to develop things that will actually benefit humanity.
Silenthps
Maybe people should stop blindly taking fairy tales written milleniums ago as historical fact. Ah well...
fossile record =/= observable evidence.[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]Admittedly, I know very little about the big ang theory.
But as for needing a time machine to witness evolution, you're just straight up wrong. We've witnessed evolution through the fossil record. And we continue to witness it toda as thing like anti-biotic resistance become more prevalent.
VendettaRed07
Question.. If you as so quick to deny anything that science tries to explain because of "a lack of evidence.."
Why do you follow religion so blindly?..
Apparently the bible is enough "evidence"
I find it curious that you are so quick to discredit those who look to scientific studies about the history of the universe which have ample evidence to support their claims, and yet you expect everyone to believe a book that supposedly tells a 100% accurate tale of how the universe was created. That doesnt make sense. Do you have any proof for what this book claims? Scholary journals and articles do, but does the bible? Not really, no. Especially the old testament, do you have proof that God actually created the world in "6 days"? I don't think so. The bible isn't proof, if you were to claim that the bible is proof of it's stories, because its the word of God, then you are using circular logic and you shouldn't be debating anything.
so the catholic church is official dead now?kayoticdreamzWhat? I don't even know how to interpret this statement, or is it a question. I'm pretty sure this post just murdered many of my braincells.
[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]so the catholic church is official dead now?ferrari2001What? I don't even know how to interpret this statement, or is it a question. I'm pretty sure this post just murdered many of my braincells. well how can a christian church exist and call the 6 days creation of the world theory false?
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]so the catholic church is official dead now?kayoticdreamzWhat? I don't even know how to interpret this statement, or is it a question. I'm pretty sure this post just murdered many of my braincells. well how can a christian church exist and call the 6 days creation of the world theory false? Well the Church doesn't close their eyes to scientific discovery. Plus it still believes in Jesus Christ as God and savior so I guess that officially means it's a Christian Church. It's not entirely difficult to figure out. I think the more appropriate question should be, how can someone choose to reject clearly proven scientific theories and still be allowed to pass High School science classes?
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