Pro Life vs Pro Choice

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

Some people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion

I'll try not to give any opinions but those aren't the two positions I come across people's views on abortion.

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

SoBaus

The world would be much worse off without you, but I'm still pro-choice.

Some people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion

toast_burner

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

SoBaus

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

tenaka2

The world would be much worse off without you, but I'm still pro-choice.

meh you dont know me... trust me world w/o me = better.

Im a pretty big d-bag in general.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Some people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion

SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

SoBaus

The world would be much worse off without you, but I'm still pro-choice.

meh you dont know me... trust me world w/o me = better.

Im a pretty big d-bag in general.

I don't disagree, but without the bad we cannot judge the good.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

locopatho

statistics, genetic testing.... plenty of clues to go off of.

If some lady was pregnant by a husband she didnt know... and her child was genetically prone to violence and abuse, and of very low intelligence. She is in college and would have to abandon her degree to have the child... is it worth it to abandon her careeer to make the next star of a horror movie?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Some people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion

toast_burner

I'm pro abortion. We really, REALLY need less people on this planet and I say this is the most humane way to tackle the issue.

I'm pro abortion. We really, REALLY, need less people on this planet and I say this is the most humane way to tackle the issue.

Oscar-Wilde

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

SoBaus

statistics, genetic testing.... plenty of clues to go off of.

If some lady was pregnant by a husband she didnt know... and her child was genetically prone to violence and abuse, and of very low intelligence. She is in college and would have to abandon her degree to have the child... is it worth it to abandon her careeer to make the next star of a horror movie?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Unless the view should be forced, as are the views on murder, rape etc.SolidSnake35

I hate this board because im so much older and more experienced than everyone else it seems.

My ex girlfriend farted a fetus in a toilet as a miscarriage. How do you deal with that one? The religious approach is god wanted it to happen... why is god killing your children? seems like a crappy god.

The science approach is miscarriages happen to a certain portion of the population, and a fetus is just a conglomeration of cells.

So if science is wrong and its not an unconscious being, why did god kill my child? Ive never actually done anything very bad in life, always tried to be nice to others.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

I'm pro abortion. We really, REALLY, need less people on this planet and I say this is the most humane way to tackle the issue.

SolidSnake35

But then who would perform all the necessary abortions?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] How are you supposed to decide if an unborn person deserves to live or die?locopatho

statistics, genetic testing.... plenty of clues to go off of.

If some lady was pregnant by a husband she didnt know... and her child was genetically prone to violence and abuse, and of very low intelligence. She is in college and would have to abandon her degree to have the child... is it worth it to abandon her careeer to make the next star of a horror movie?

who does?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

I'm pro abortion. We really, REALLY, need less people on this planet and I say this is the most humane way to tackle the issue.

tenaka2

But then who would perform all the necessary abortions?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....SoBaus

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

SoBaus

statistics, genetic testing.... plenty of clues to go off of.

If some lady was pregnant by a husband she didnt know... and her child was genetically prone to violence and abuse, and of very low intelligence. She is in college and would have to abandon her degree to have the child... is it worth it to abandon her careeer to make the next star of a horror movie?

Yay for Eugencis, there is no gene that makes people violence, abuseive or have low intelligence, and even if there was how would the mother know the child would have it. She doesn't know the father, and unless she is prone to violence and have a low intelligence you can't assume that the baby will have those 'genes'. Also you don't have to abandon your career to raise a kid.

I hate this board because im so much older and more experienced than everyone else it seems.

My ex girlfriend farted a fetus in a toilet as a miscarriage. How do you deal with that one? The religious approach is god wanted it to happen... why is god killing your children? seems like a crappy god.

The science approach is miscarriages happen to a certain portion of the population, and a fetus is just a conglomeration of cells.

So if science is wrong and its not an unconscious being, why did god kill my child? Ive never actually done anything very bad in life, always tried to be nice to others.

SoBaus

You could be struck by lightning for saying such a thing :)

How old are you by the way if you don't mind me asking?

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

statistics, genetic testing.... plenty of clues to go off of.

If some lady was pregnant by a husband she didnt know... and her child was genetically prone to violence and abuse, and of very low intelligence. She is in college and would have to abandon her degree to have the child... is it worth it to abandon her careeer to make the next star of a horror movie?

SoBaus

who does?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

I hate this board because im so much older and more experienced than everyone else it seems.

My ex girlfriend farted a fetus in a toilet as a miscarriage. How do you deal with that one? The religious approach is god wanted it to happen... why is god killing your children? seems like a crappy god.

The science approach is miscarriages happen to a certain portion of the population, and a fetus is just a conglomeration of cells.

So if science is wrong and its not an unconscious being, why did god kill my child? Ive never actually done anything very bad in life, always tried to be nice to others.

tenaka2

You could be struck by lightning for saying such a thing :)

How old are you by the way if you don't mind me asking?

28, the miscarriage was actually when i was back in college and i was 21. That was the least of my worries though.... if god exists he really loves to dump on me. I was christian going into college too.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Well, we could allow abortionists to sacrifice themselves for the cause. It's not as if one's future is important anyway.SolidSnake35

But then who would perform all the necessary abortions?

Accidents happen and abortion should always be an option for those not wanting to have a child.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh well if it doesn't mind then let's just smack it with a shovel then. If something can't say no, kill it. Sounds like a golden rule to me.SolidSnake35

That would be illegal.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Hitting it with a shovel would harm the mother so you would be arrested for assult. tenaka2

That would be illegal.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Nah, I meant after we'd popped it out.SolidSnake35

That would be illegal.

Well a new born baby wouldn't have many regrets on its conscience I imagine, even it it was conscious at such a young age.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Nah, I meant after we'd popped it out.SolidSnake35

That would be illegal.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]That would be illegal.toast_burner

I'm anti babies.Lonelynight

Even Jelly babies?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

That would be illegal.

tenaka2

Well a new born baby wouldn't have many regrets on its conscience I imagine, even it it was conscious at such a young age.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] It doesn't have a conscience so it's okay. No one is harmed during the shovel whacking.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] When you says "popped out" do you mean born or aborted? toast_burner

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] It doesn't have a conscience so it's okay. No one is harmed during the shovel whacking.SolidSnake35

Well a new born baby wouldn't have many regrets on its conscience I imagine, even it it was conscious at such a young age.

WHen you say abortionists, do you mean the person that performs abortions, in the way an artist creates art. Or is it a catch all for anyone who is pro-choice under any and all circumstances?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Either way, it shouldn't matter too much given your argument from consciousness. I was thinking more aborted as a foetus though.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Either way, it shouldn't matter too much given your argument from consciousness. I was thinking more aborted as a foetus though.SolidSnake35

probably not, its unconscious afterall. Would you care if you went to sleep and never wokeup? you would never know.

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] A baby is conscious, a fetus isn'ttoast_burner

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Well a new born baby wouldn't have many regrets on its conscience I imagine, even it it was conscious at such a young age.

tenaka2

WHen you say abortionists, do you mean the person that performs abortions, in the way an artist creates art. Or is it a catch all for anyone who is pro-choice under any and all circumstances?

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

Fundai

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] A baby is conscious, a fetus isn't

toast_burner

Have you ever seen the footage of the baby/fetus squirming inside the womb trying to avoid the abortion doctors instrument? Pretty hard to say that a 5-9 month old fetus does not feel pain after seeing that one.

The debate should be: When is it a human life worthy of all the same legal protections as any other person? Not this choice/no choice non-sense.

One side says its a human life at the moment of conception. The other extreme says you can kill it a few inches short of being born, then yank it the rest of the way out and its all good.

Surely the truth is somewhere in between. Perhaps we should adopt some kind of viability outside the womb standard to deteremine the point at which abortion becomes murder. One thing I have no doubt about is that these late term abortions are killing a human life, pure and simple.