Pro Life vs Pro Choice

Alot are, and I bet the numbers are higher than were led to believe to the abuse keeping their mouths shut and the organization covering it up.

Still, don't take sex advice from repressed virgins. common sense.

CaveJohnson1

Only one of these "beliefs" has the gall to force people to do something, which is far far far worse than getting an abortion imo.

Prochoice is the best of both worlds; prolife is the best example of religion and narrow view of morals dictating policy.

Only one of these "beliefs" has the gall to force people to do something, which is far far far worse than getting an abortion imo.

Prochoice is the best of both worlds; prolife is the best example of religion and narrow view of morals dictating policy.

mrbojangles25

That sounds like something a pro-choicer would say.Genetic_Code

Which would be a false positive since I find the use of abortion as retroactive birth control to be quite morally reprehensible, from a personal perspective.foxhound_fox

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Only one of these "beliefs" has the gall to force people to do something, which is far far far worse than getting an abortion imo.

Prochoice is the best of both worlds; prolife is the best example of religion and narrow view of morals dictating policy.

Genetic_Code

So what you are saying isthat itis not immoral nor should it be illegal to force a pregnant women to keep her child?

That is pretty awful. No one has the right to make such a personal, subjective choice for someone else.

I don't understand this line of thinking though. You would want the government to protect your rights. Why is it that those rights or the protection of those rights only come with birth? Why is it that abortion is just a personal matter, whereas postnatal murder is not?Genetic_Code

So what you are saying isthat itis not immoral nor should it be illegal to force a pregnant women to keep her child?

That is pretty awful. No one has the right to make such a personal, subjective choice for someone else.

mrbojangles25

So what you are saying is that it is not immoral nor should it be illegal to force a woman to keep her child?

Read it again and see if you don't come to the same conclusion.

Legality does not determine reality though. Just because an individual doesn't have a legal name does not mean they do not have rights.Genetic_Code

And? What are you moving into with this point? You just stated some rhetoric and left it at that.

The law can be wrong, but the current law is what those in power believe is best for the most amount of people. And for someone who claims to be "pro-life," it is definitely something they should support. Unless of course it isn't the actual "life" they are interested in, but the ability to enforce their personal beliefs on others.foxhound_fox

You said that life legally begins at birth. I think that rights should begin with life begins, which is at fertilization. Do you believe life begins at fertilization or do you believe it begins sometime else? If you believe that it begins sometime before birth and you support the legality of an abortion after that point, then you are not being a consistent life advocate.

This isn't about enforcing personal beliefs. This is about protecting life.

You said that life legally begins at birth. I think that rights should begin with life begins, which is at fertilization. Do you believe life begins at fertilization or do you believe it begins sometime else? If you believe that it begins sometime before birth and you support the legality of an abortion after that point, then you are not being a consistent life advocate. This isn't about enforcing personal beliefs. This is about protecting life.Genetic_Code

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Alot are, and I bet the numbers are higher than were led to believe to the abuse keeping their mouths shut and the organization covering it up.

Still, don't take sex advice from repressed virgins. common sense.

Genetic_Code

Not being allowed to have sex with a woman isn't mentally healthy, when sexuality is repressed it comes out anyway, just in weird way.

For evidence of this see: Reality.

People who have had sex are going to be more experienced.....

Not being allowed to have sex with a woman isn't mentally healthy, when sexuality is repressed it comes out anyway, just in weird way.

For evidence of this see: Reality.

People who have had sex are going to be more experienced.....

CaveJohnson1

You do know that not all Christians kiss the ground that the Pope/some other high ranking wizard man or whatever walks on and see them as perfect, moral, models for humanity?

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Not being allowed to have sex with a woman isn't mentally healthy, when sexuality is repressed it comes out anyway, just in weird way.

For evidence of this see: Reality.

People who have had sex are going to be more experienced.....

Vesica_Prime

You do know that not all Christians kiss the ground that the Pope/some other high ranking wizard man or whatever walks on and see them as perfect, moral, models for humanity?

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Not being allowed to have sex with a woman isn't mentally healthy, when sexuality is repressed it comes out anyway, just in weird way.

For evidence of this see: Reality.

People who have had sex are going to be more experienced.....

CaveJohnson1

You do know that not all Christians kiss the ground that the Pope/some other high ranking wizard man or whatever walks on and see them as perfect, moral, models for humanity?

Makes me think of that topic the other day where people were whining about how some zoo wasn't saving a penguin because they lacked the money.

Why do people whine about such mundane things when people actions are literally killing millions? I would think those would be talked about more ofted.

I guess that being a statistic gets rid of the sting a bit.

You're talking to me as if I am actually defending the actions of the Catholic Church and not condemn them on a regular basis. Or hell I'm going to hazard a guess and say that you think that I am Catholic.

And no I don't whine and complain about something as mundane and banal as penguins dying due to lack of funds. Way to place words in my mouth.